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On April 26 2016 23:22 Numy wrote:


Hmm in an ideal world it would be perfectly fine having studies focused on specific ideologies if they were more objective look into those ideologies while then creating a balanced outlook by looking at corresponding ideologies. That's really how it's meant to work. Politics is a massive facet of life so not learning about it in an institute designed for learning seems wrong. It's just important that when doing so you make sure the learning itself encourages introspection and balanced thinking.

On April 26 2016 23:26 Scip wrote:

I agree, learning about ideologies is really important about the world, but the objective look into the ideologies is exactly what you're not really getting with the current state of social justice classes. The petition isn't calling for a ban, but for a revision, so that teaching of those subjects in universities can become more objective and free of bias.

On April 27 2016 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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lol @ coma for "maninist"

On April 26 2016 17:22 nafta wrote:

Seems you fell for the unis care about something other than money meme

On April 27 2016 01:33 killerdog wrote:

Some of us live in successful countries where universities are free and exist to actually educate people and research

On April 27 2016 01:33 killerdog wrote:

Some of us live in successful countries where universities are free and exist to actually educate people and research

On April 27 2016 00:14 Numy wrote:
Bias is a part of life. It's important for people to be able to see bias in the information they getting and think critically about it. There's nothing wrong with having bias in a teaching segment as long as the appropriate thought/skills are pursued at the same time. I actually think it's important to have bias when teaching these kinds of things as it helps deliver a more intimate picture of the ideology. The issue arises when people aren't pushed to think critically and instead merely accept what is given at face value. Purely neutral objective teaching won't necessarily allow people to develop the skills to avoid this.

A bigger issue I find is that campuses tend to be so big with so many different ideas that people tend to form into polarized groups instead of expanding their thinking. Creating incentives or pushing students out of their comfort is far more important that removing bias from ideological courses. These ideologies have inherent bias in them anyway.

edit: I remember reading something very interesting but for the life of me I can't remember who said it or where it was from. The gist of it was that in today's society of easy access to information it has become harmful to people as they don't have the necessary skills to accurately judge information so merely use it as a tool to reaffirm incorrect beliefs. It makes a ton of sense. You see this kind of behavior in the anti-vaccination crowd going on. The countries that should have long gone past this battle with it the most(It seems) due people taking incorrect information as the truth even though they could easily find accurate information that refutes their belief.

On April 26 2016 23:26 Scip wrote:
I agree, learning about ideologies is really important about the world, but the objective look into the ideologies is exactly what you're not really getting with the current state of social justice classes. The petition isn't calling for a ban, but for a revision, so that teaching of those subjects in universities can become more objective and free of bias.

On April 27 2016 02:36 iCanada wrote:]

But that is the thing, schools actually think that instead of pushing kids out of their comfort zones now a days, that they should have their own "safe-space" which is their own comfort zone bubble they never have to leave.

I think Uni's should have safe-spaces, but they should be places where people feel safe to challenge each others ideology and grow collective knowledge, not hide behind bullshit.

On April 27 2016 02:52 nafta wrote:
As someone who has been beaten up for being white it does piss me off when people say I have never experienced it just cuz YOURE A FKN WHITE MALE

On April 27 2016 02:56 PrinceXizor wrote:

saying that no one has experienced any prejudice is ignorant. everyone has people that hate them for who they are. in the west, a lot fewer hate people for being white men than for being trans women of color though. and it's easier for white men to find a place where they aren't being harassed, where there are parts of the US that are banning trans women from the women's restrooms, even taking a shit they are reminded of harassment. that type of stuff is why people want safe spaces.so a trans woman, or a gay man or a woman who works in a tech field, or a guy who is really into esports who is surrounded by people who tell him that he needs to get a life and get off the computer. it's for the vulnerable groups of the world to have some place that they know they can relax without fear.

On April 27 2016 03:02 Numy wrote:

The issue is by creating such a thing you separate that vulnerable group or highlight them. It's not a solution and should not be thought of as one. It's a spot measure that's purpose is meant for a limited duration while the issue in greater society is sorted out. Unfortunately too many people believe it's something that is needs to stay instead of merely being the poor bandaid that it is.

It's really funny reading this while being an actual minority as a white male. The States really needs to stop being so backward. It creates issues for the rest of us unfortunately. Globalization is both good and bad.

On April 27 2016 03:12 PrinceXizor wrote:

It's meant as a reprieve from societal issues not a platform to espouse them. but just because it has its misuses isn't a reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. safe spaces are important things to have support for those vulnerable groups while we work on fixing the racist tendencies of our societies or the harmful gender stereotypes (like women can't do computer stuff well, or men can't be emotional or vulnerable without being homosexual).

I just can't see justification for attacking safe spaces while they still provide value to our society you know? like why are those people so adamant about removing a place of support and safety for vulnerable people. it's like complaining that elementary schools don't allow random adults who want to just check out the playground equipment out for endurance training onto their campuses to use the stuff with the kids. It's important to provide safe areas for vulnerable populations.

Also numy what IS it like to be a white man in post apartheid south africa?

On April 27 2016 03:23 Numy wrote:

Safe spaces weren't really a thing when I was in Uni or even a thing here in general so I have a hard time evaluating it completely. I said my initial reasoning for why I dislike the concept. It should be looked at as merely a tool while change happens. I'll try use an example of something here that while it doesn't mirror safe spaces it has the same flaw in my mind. We have a system called BBE which is essentially an economic system where you get benefits for employing disadvantaged people(Black in most cases) or lose access to benefits if you don't. I understand the reason for this concept and agree with it but it doesn't actually solve anything. It's highlighting racial divide while not fundamentally fixing the issues of the past. In order to have a society that doesn't have racial issues there needs to be no policy or items based on racial issues because no matter how good the intention of these policies they will always draw attention to the fact that they are racial in nature. So bringing this tangent back to the safe spaces things, by creating a zone "for people of X" it highlights that these people are different from the rest of society while not actually combating the need for these people to have this zone. As I said earlier, it's a fine temporary tool but shouldn't be something you want as a permanent fixture. You want to land up in a place where these people are an ordinary part of society.

That's not really mentioning the fact that I feel people seem to abuse this tool as a way to create their own polarized hate filled view on the world. There should should never be a place where people are safe to fuel hatred and discrimination without consequence.