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On April 26 2016 17:19 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 17:04 PrinceXizor wrote:On April 26 2016 12:29 Lord Tolkien wrote:On April 26 2016 12:24 Scip wrote:Yo, I'm usually not for politicizing and stuff, but this is an issue that is very important for me, so I just want to alert everyone that there is a petition going on right now for temporarily suspending social justice courses on universities and seriously scrutinizing them https://www.change.org/p/universities-suspend-social-justice-in-universities ...lol. yeah no. I'm not going down the r/redpill route. it was good for a laugh. signing your name to a list of tools lol. "remove free speech to protect free speech" is my favorite cause. Well, I do think that social justice classes need to be seriously scrutinized. It's not limiting free speech, it's not petitioning to governments, but to universities themselves, it shouldn't be ILLEGAL for social justice classes to exist at universities, but universities themselves should take a very hard critical look at them.
which of these classes do you feel isn't being handled in an accurate and fair manner?
www.gonzaga.edu
consider that every student needs one of these classes to meet the schools requirement.
it's a fallacy to think that you and the people who made the petition, are able to make the judgement call about which classes need more scrutiny, and the people far more qualified, who are actually making those calls, aren't able to, just because they might disagree with you.
this is the goal of the petition To clarify, we are calling for the teaching of social justice courses in universities to be temporarily suspended. which specifically calls for the suspension of "intro to literature" and US history since WW2 as two courses listed as social justice classes by gonzaga. it's a petition to censor certain classes. under the false narrative of them being out of control, when in reality none of the people who say they are out of control have any qualifications or evidence to do so. and the people that do disagree. It's about censoring politics that the petitioners disagree with, not anything out of genuine concern for students. if they were concerned about students they'd do a study, they'd provide evidence, use a specific university with the problem they claim that all universities have and use it's own reporting system. they do none of that, and want to blanket ban all classes labeled "social justice" courses across all of the US. "until reviewed".
People resort to fear politics like this when they don't have evidence to stand on. when they can only claim tangentially related incidents as fact.
If you need an example of that, in america people are arguing in favor of the laws banning transgendered people from using the bathroom they identify with, because a man who identifies as the gender he was born with, and wearing a t shirt and jeans, went into an unlocked women's restroom and photographed a 10 yr old kid using the bathroom. something that was and is still completely illegal, and has nothing to do with what the law banned at all.
about the protests on college campuses, People are angry and protesting because they feel they are being treated unfairly by society. that's a human right. you don't get to say that they have no right to be angry and that they are just being manipulated by professors. People have protested these things for decades, and the people that are complaining about this grew up in a time when people did the same stuff then, people have been protesting for a long long long time in democratic societies. it's not changed.
the people signing the petition are complaining about censorship while suggesting at the same time that the people talking about social justice shouldn't be allowed to do so.
It's normal to be worried that you are being painted a villain for something you didn't do. that's a human response. but if your solution is to prevent the people who are worried about it from being able to speak and discuss their ideas. YOU ARE THE VILLAIN. you should just make sure you aren't actually causing problems instead. do you actively vote for people who do oppressive things to anyone, do you refuse to speak when you see someone treated like shit for something, anything. these are the things asked of white males by the evil social justice crowd. to just not allow BS to happen in our world. and to treat people fairly. push-back against that is either out of greed (a desire to profit from the inequality, admittedly very rare among most people pushing back but less rare among politicians or leaders of the anti social justice movements), Fear (the concern that by stepping up against these inequalities they will be put in the same position the people protesting are currently in), or Misinformation, (being convinced by people who are misinformed themselves or manipulative for one of the two previous reasons).
The solution to the first, is don't be an asshole, to the second is realizing what you fear is what they are living, and to the third is to educate yourself from all sides, not just the one that currently agrees with you, and to seek objective facts from that.
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Damn you guys triggered me, now I need to listen to some rlewis to calm down
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On April 26 2016 17:35 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 17:19 Scip wrote:On April 26 2016 17:04 PrinceXizor wrote:On April 26 2016 12:29 Lord Tolkien wrote:On April 26 2016 12:24 Scip wrote:Yo, I'm usually not for politicizing and stuff, but this is an issue that is very important for me, so I just want to alert everyone that there is a petition going on right now for temporarily suspending social justice courses on universities and seriously scrutinizing them https://www.change.org/p/universities-suspend-social-justice-in-universities ...lol. yeah no. I'm not going down the r/redpill route. it was good for a laugh. signing your name to a list of tools lol. "remove free speech to protect free speech" is my favorite cause. Well, I do think that social justice classes need to be seriously scrutinized. It's not limiting free speech, it's not petitioning to governments, but to universities themselves, it shouldn't be ILLEGAL for social justice classes to exist at universities, but universities themselves should take a very hard critical look at them. which of these classes do you feel isn't being handled in an accurate and fair manner? www.gonzaga.educonsider that every student needs one of these classes to meet the schools requirement. it's a fallacy to think that you and the people who made the petition, are able to make the judgement call about which classes need more scrutiny, and the people far more qualified, who are actually making those calls, aren't able to, just because they might disagree with you. this is the goal of the petition Show nested quote +To clarify, we are calling for the teaching of social justice courses in universities to be temporarily suspended. which specifically calls for the suspension of "intro to literature" and US history since WW2 as two courses listed as social justice classes by gonzaga. it's a petition to censor certain classes. under the false narrative of them being out of control, when in reality none of the people who say they are out of control have any qualifications or evidence to do so. and the people that do disagree. It's about censoring politics that the petitioners disagree with, not anything out of genuine concern for students. if they were concerned about students they'd do a study, they'd provide evidence, use a specific university with the problem they claim that all universities have and use it's own reporting system. they do none of that, and want to blanket ban all classes labeled "social justice" courses across all of the US. "until reviewed". People resort to fear politics like this when they don't have evidence to stand on. when they can only claim tangentially related incidents as fact. If you need an example of that, in america people are arguing in favor of the laws banning transgendered people from using the bathroom they identify with, because a man who identifies as the gender he was born with, and wearing a t shirt and jeans, went into an unlocked women's restroom and photographed a 10 yr old kid using the bathroom. something that was and is still completely illegal, and has nothing to do with what the law banned at all. about the protests on college campuses  eople are angry and protesting because they feel they are being treated unfairly by society. that's a human right. you don't get to say that they have no right to be angry and that they are just being manipulated by professors. People have protested these things for decades, and the people that are complaining about this grew up in a time when people did the same stuff then, people have been protesting for a long long long time in democratic societies. it's not changed. the people signing the petition are complaining about censorship while suggesting at the same time that the people talking about social justice shouldn't be allowed to do so. It's normal to be worried that you are being painted a villain for something you didn't do. that's a human response. but if your solution is to prevent the people who are worried about from being able to speak and discuss their ideas. YOU ARE THE VILLAIN. you should just make sure you aren't actually causing problems instead. do you actively vote for people who do oppressive things to anyone, do you refuse to speak when you see someone treated like shit for something, anything. these are the things asked of white males by the evil social justice crowd. to just not allow BS to happen in our world. and to treat people fairly. push-back against that is either out of greed (a desire to profit from the inequality, admittedly very rare among most people pushing back but less rare among politicians or leaders of the anti social justice movements), Fear (the concern that by stepping up against these inequalities they will be put in the same position the people protesting are currently in), or Misinformation, (being convinced by people who are misinformed themselves or manipulative for one of the two previous reasons). The solution to the first, is don't be an asshole, to the second is realizing what you fear is what they are living, and to the third is to educate yourself from all sides, not just the one that currently agrees with you, and to seek objective facts from that.
To be honest the entire MRA/redpill community is just the other side of the same coin that the tumblrette community is part of. Both victimize themselves to ludicrous amounts, have no connection with reality and are only effective online.
All these people would poop themselves in actual liberal arts classes, where the entire point of the education is to get you to be critical and examine your own biases and feelings, letting you find out why and even how to best convince others of it.
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On April 26 2016 18:11 Doctorbeat wrote:
To be honest the entire MRA/redpill community is just the other side of the same coin that the tumblrette community is part of. Both victimize themselves to ludicrous amounts, have no connection with reality and are only effective online.
All these people would poop themselves in actual liberal arts classes, where the entire point of the education is to get you to be critical and examine your own biases and feelings, letting you find out why and even how to best convince others of it.
my favorites are the ones that mix those beliefs with absolute faith in anarchocapitalism. "intel shouldnt be hiring more minorities to try to diversify their company, thats wrong, they should be hiring the best employees" Intel - We are. "no because...race doesn't matter so the best employees would be white". uh. okay, even if that's true, Mr. R.P. Strawman, let the free market sort it out then. intel will tank if they aren't hiring the best employees right? that's how markets work? so let their company fail if your belief in the markets is so strong. don't regulate their hiring choices.
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It's just a bunch of people that have a very narrow minded view of the world. It's scary to leave your little bubble and look at the whole world.
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It annoys one of my feminist friends a bit (the argument on his end more or less boils down to "sell your junk $10 if you want someone to buy it $8") but with each side having nutjobs and more moderate people who bounce on said nutjobs rather than talk with each other, seems to me that the extreme opinions are less harmful than the lack of willingness to compromise.
And of course since we're mostly exposed to the vocal ones...
On April 26 2016 12:38 WaveofShadow wrote:MTG CONTENT + Show Spoiler +So I've been slightly down because my drafting ability of this set has been super terrible. Yangers and I even went through some of the Pro Tour drafts on the wizards draft viewers on the weekend and we both came to the conclusion that we have no idea wtf you're supposed to do. Not ready to give up, however, I headed to draft tonight to try again, and came out with this beauty: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/25-04-16-ub-zambies/(The sideboard stuff was just picks I considered throwing in the deck and then didn't.) Notable picks: P1P1 was a foil Port Town over Thalia's Lieutenant. P2 was Heir of Falkenrath and then I proceeded to get passed 2 To the Slaughter so at the very least I was in B. I don't remember the P2 rare...maybe Triskaidekaphobia? P2 wasn't anything special really. P3 was Ever After I think. The only really tough decision I had was passing the 3/3 Zombie that draws you a new hand each turn, not that I remember what I passed it for. Something good. Also passed two Tenacity in a row later in the draft only to remember later that I could have splashed with Port Town, but I absolutely don't regret it. I was absolutely in the right colours the entire time, and while I have always more or less felt that way in other drafts, this one definitely cemented that home. Essentially each game the plan was play dudes, trade with them, then recur them endlessly with their natural abilities/Macabre Waltz/Ever After. Never even needed to use the bonus Zombie synergy I had most of the time but man this deck was POWERFUL. Was tempted to use Triskaidekaphobia as an alternate wincon but the deck didn't need it, plus the maths involved with Accursed Witch + Trisk would have been way too much of a problem. Stuff I learned: Niblis really IS a great card. Thanks pros. Stensia Masquerade gives ALL opposing creatures first strike, not just vampires. Who knew? Fun stuff that happened: Almost milled myself to death one game with constant recursion of Crow of Dark Tidings. I think I underestimated how good it feels when you make value plays with discard/Madness. Best play of the night: Pore Over the Pages into Murderous Compulsion with only 5 mana and no discard (read: Draw 3, destroy target tapped creature). Recurring the Stitchwings for Just the Wind madness was strong as hell too. In the end came out with some nice value, and a second Ever After I actually needed for Standard too. All in all a good night.
Niblis would be quite good even without prowess, it's just that if you're in UW there are better-stated spirits, and you ended up with 3 (for four 2/1 flying 3-drops) so he's gonna comparatively do a bunch of heavy lifting. Also it's a 1-thoughness spirit that you can save from Dual Shot I guess.
And yes recursion's good when you have flyers and stuff to push that damage. On xmage I did well with a similar draft, except I opened Mindwrack Demon (it only won two games though, one that was more or less clinched but just slow-going) and had a couple other delirium cards that a single crow was often enough to trigger. Also 2 or 3 sleep paralysis to make up for my lack of creatures.
Weren't rats performing well too? They tend to gum up the board since your opponent doesn't want to attack into them unless he has removal, but technically they do trade if he attacks. And of course the witch solo-winning games.
Which decks is Ever After used in? And why did you pick the land over the lieutenant? Because it felt like a more open pick, because it's worth more $?
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On April 26 2016 18:25 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 18:11 Doctorbeat wrote:
To be honest the entire MRA/redpill community is just the other side of the same coin that the tumblrette community is part of. Both victimize themselves to ludicrous amounts, have no connection with reality and are only effective online.
All these people would poop themselves in actual liberal arts classes, where the entire point of the education is to get you to be critical and examine your own biases and feelings, letting you find out why and even how to best convince others of it. my favorites are the ones that mix those beliefs with absolute faith in anarchocapitalism. "intel shouldnt be hiring more minorities to try to diversify their company, thats wrong, they should be hiring the best employees" Intel - We are. "no because...race doesn't matter so the best employees would be white". uh. okay, even if that's true, Mr. R.P. Strawman, let the free market sort it out then. intel will tank if they aren't hiring the best employees right? that's how markets work? so let their company fail if your belief in the markets is so strong. don't regulate their hiring choices.
You'd think, but then there's good old "too big to fail".
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On April 26 2016 18:25 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 18:11 Doctorbeat wrote:
To be honest the entire MRA/redpill community is just the other side of the same coin that the tumblrette community is part of. Both victimize themselves to ludicrous amounts, have no connection with reality and are only effective online.
All these people would poop themselves in actual liberal arts classes, where the entire point of the education is to get you to be critical and examine your own biases and feelings, letting you find out why and even how to best convince others of it. my favorites are the ones that mix those beliefs with absolute faith in anarchocapitalism. "intel shouldnt be hiring more minorities to try to diversify their company, thats wrong, they should be hiring the best employees" Intel - We are. "no because...race doesn't matter so the best employees would be white". uh. okay, even if that's true, Mr. R.P. Strawman, let the free market sort it out then. intel will tank if they aren't hiring the best employees right? that's how markets work? so let their company fail if your belief in the markets is so strong. don't regulate their hiring choices.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/19/intel-job-cuts-global-restructuring
Damn minorities. Should just hire white people and this wouldn't have happened.
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Aren't White people a minority in the world anyway? Chinese/Indian people are prob like ~3/4 billion globally then you get Africa which is like 1 billion with prob another 0.5 around the world. So really should never hire white people, bloody minority.
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On April 26 2016 20:24 Numy wrote:
Aren't White people a minority in the world anyway? Chinese/Indian people are prob like ~3/4 billion globally then you get Africa which is like 1 billion with prob another 0.5 around the world. So really should never hire white people, bloody minority.
You have to remember that you are talking about people that think you live in a hut because you live in Africa.
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Then again, considering Internet quality there he might as well.
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My hut is very nice thank you Alaric. I thought my internet was bad until I learnt about this country called the USA. Truly gives hope to us hut dwellers that no matter what someone somewhere has it worse.
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On April 26 2016 17:22 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 17:19 Scip wrote:On April 26 2016 17:04 PrinceXizor wrote:On April 26 2016 12:29 Lord Tolkien wrote:On April 26 2016 12:24 Scip wrote:Yo, I'm usually not for politicizing and stuff, but this is an issue that is very important for me, so I just want to alert everyone that there is a petition going on right now for temporarily suspending social justice courses on universities and seriously scrutinizing them https://www.change.org/p/universities-suspend-social-justice-in-universities ...lol. yeah no. I'm not going down the r/redpill route. it was good for a laugh. signing your name to a list of tools lol. "remove free speech to protect free speech" is my favorite cause. Well, I do think that social justice classes need to be seriously scrutinized. It's not limiting free speech, it's not petitioning to governments, but to universities themselves, it shouldn't be ILLEGAL for social justice classes to exist at universities, but universities themselves should take a very hard critical look at them. Seems you fell for the unis care about something other than money meme
ah that one, i crie every tim
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I was pleasantly surprised when I went to the US and only got shot 4 times.
As for the petition thing, it's naive to not believe political interests are embedded in every aspect of society.
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On April 26 2016 10:50 Requizen wrote:
Watched Scott Pilgrim with the Otter for the first time. She hated it.
Divorce?
My scintillating ocelot fell asleep when we watched it together for her first time. I was bummed but that's just nurse life.
While I was snoozing this morning I thought about Max from Goofy movie in mad max + Show Spoiler + aparently im not the first but I woke myself up laughing. just picturing him in a leather jacked racing down a canyon hehehe
I'm a feminist cause 250 women were murdered for refusing to become sex slaves last week, women still have their genitals mutilated in some really rural areas where they are also refused education, and I honestly dont believe they have equal opportunity in corporate settings. Hell they cant even hold a position of power in the most popular and influential religion in the world. I'm a "maninist" cause courts exemplify sexism against men in child custody cases and the "manly man" expectation probably gives a tonne of kids a shitty self esteme. I think you have to be pretty stupid to think that gender equality exists or that the problem isnt bi-directional. I also think you're an idiot if you march through the streets topless with a megaphone because your doctor told you you need to lose weight to be healthy.
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On April 26 2016 22:59 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 10:50 Requizen wrote:
Watched Scott Pilgrim with the Otter for the first time. She hated it.
Divorce? My scintillating ocelot fell asleep when we watched it together for her first time. I was bummed but that's just nurse life. While I was snoozing this morning I thought about Max from Goofy movie in mad max + Show Spoiler + aparently im not the first but I woke myself up laughing. just picturing him in a leather jacked racing down a canyon hehehe I'm a feminist cause 250 women were murdered for refusing to become sex slaves last week, women still have their genitals mutilated in some really rural areas where they are also refused education, and I honestly dont believe they have equal opportunity in corporate settings. Hell they cant even hold a position of power in the most popular and influential religion in the world. I'm a "maninist" cause courts exemplify sexism against men in child custody cases and the "manly man" expectation probably gives a tonne of kids a shitty self esteme. I think you have to be pretty stupid to think that gender equality exists or that the problem isnt bi-directional. I also think you're an idiot if you march through the streets topless with a megaphone because your doctor told you you need to lose weight to be healthy.
I would watch the fuck out of that movie.
Also, I think what you're looking for is egalitarianism.
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On April 26 2016 23:08 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 22:59 ComaDose wrote:On April 26 2016 10:50 Requizen wrote:
Watched Scott Pilgrim with the Otter for the first time. She hated it.
Divorce? My scintillating ocelot fell asleep when we watched it together for her first time. I was bummed but that's just nurse life. While I was snoozing this morning I thought about Max from Goofy movie in mad max + Show Spoiler + aparently im not the first but I woke myself up laughing. just picturing him in a leather jacked racing down a canyon hehehe I'm a feminist cause 250 women were murdered for refusing to become sex slaves last week, women still have their genitals mutilated in some really rural areas where they are also refused education, and I honestly dont believe they have equal opportunity in corporate settings. Hell they cant even hold a position of power in the most popular and influential religion in the world. I'm a "maninist" cause courts exemplify sexism against men in child custody cases and the "manly man" expectation probably gives a tonne of kids a shitty self esteme. I think you have to be pretty stupid to think that gender equality exists or that the problem isnt bi-directional. I also think you're an idiot if you march through the streets topless with a megaphone because your doctor told you you need to lose weight to be healthy. I would watch the fuck out of that movie. Also, I think what you're looking for is egalitarianism.
I thought the he was looking for "common sense and decency".
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Well I don't think the fact that "intro to literature" and "US history since WW2" are misclassified doesn't really undermine the spirit of the petition. Student activism is fine and great, but I don't think highly politized views like the ones portrayed by Social Justice are fit for CLASSES, one of the best things (or what ought to be one of the best things, even if it doesn't in reality pan out like that) about universities is that they are centres of study and learning in core free of any specific ideology. If there were MGTOW classes in universities I'd oppose them just as much, it's just there don't really happen to be any (in any significant number).
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On April 26 2016 23:18 Scip wrote:
Well I don't think the fact that "intro to literature" and "US history since WW2" are misclassified doesn't really undermine the spirit of the petition. Student activism is fine and great, but I don't think highly politized views like the ones portrayed by Social Justice are fit for CLASSES, one of the best things (or what ought to be one of the best things, even if it doesn't in reality pan out like that) about universities is that they are centres of study and learning in core free of any specific ideology. If there were MGTOW classes in universities I'd oppose them just as much, it's just there don't really happen to be any (in any significant number).
Hmm in an ideal world it would be perfectly fine having studies focused on specific ideologies if they were more objective look into those ideologies while then creating a balanced outlook by looking at corresponding ideologies. That's really how it's meant to work. Politics is a massive facet of life so not learning about it in an institute designed for learning seems wrong. It's just important that when doing so you make sure the learning itself encourages introspection and balanced thinking.
Universities at their heart should be exposing and challenging students to new ideas and ways of thinking. It's not a place for blank expression.
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I don't think capitalistic doctrines should be used in education but it is¯\_(ツ)_/¯. You're views aren't intrinsically better than someone elses when it comes to education (as long as it's not breaking laws) so it not an issue that you can change.
When people are against social justice it really does not explain what the are against as it's such a broad and unclear term.
On April 26 2016 23:08 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 22:59 ComaDose wrote:On April 26 2016 10:50 Requizen wrote:
Watched Scott Pilgrim with the Otter for the first time. She hated it.
Divorce? My scintillating ocelot fell asleep when we watched it together for her first time. I was bummed but that's just nurse life. While I was snoozing this morning I thought about Max from Goofy movie in mad max + Show Spoiler + aparently im not the first but I woke myself up laughing. just picturing him in a leather jacked racing down a canyon hehehe I'm a feminist cause 250 women were murdered for refusing to become sex slaves last week, women still have their genitals mutilated in some really rural areas where they are also refused education, and I honestly dont believe they have equal opportunity in corporate settings. Hell they cant even hold a position of power in the most popular and influential religion in the world. I'm a "maninist" cause courts exemplify sexism against men in child custody cases and the "manly man" expectation probably gives a tonne of kids a shitty self esteme. I think you have to be pretty stupid to think that gender equality exists or that the problem isnt bi-directional. I also think you're an idiot if you march through the streets topless with a megaphone because your doctor told you you need to lose weight to be healthy. I would watch the fuck out of that movie. Also, I think what you're looking for is egalitarianism.
Whenever a left wing movement get's to large it has to split so progress stops or is slowed down.
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