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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 18:04:05
April 21 2016 17:55 GMT
#23581
Yea rogue is boned it seems. At least this means they may do a paladin where they keep giving good cards each expansion until suddenly the class owns everyone.

edit: Shaman cards are looking super legit man.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
April 21 2016 18:13 GMT
#23582
That durid legendary is OP as fuck.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
April 21 2016 18:41 GMT
#23583
RIP Prince

Too many legends dying pls world stop



His best
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
April 21 2016 18:41 GMT
#23584
New cards

https://www.facebook.com/Hearthstone/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1068859113156856
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 18:57:42
April 21 2016 18:57 GMT
#23585
a bunch of free hearthstone packs if you log in during the expansion release event and play standard

also rocket league having a free weekend
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
April 21 2016 18:58 GMT
#23586
https://www.facebook.com/Hearthstone/photos/pb.498467596862680.-2207520000.1461264098./1100599666649467/?type=3&theater is a very strong rogue card though.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
April 21 2016 19:05 GMT
#23587
+ Show Spoiler +
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"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
April 21 2016 19:19 GMT
#23588
Rogue gets a lot of free cards now. I bet that'll be a deck.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 19:35:04
April 21 2016 19:31 GMT
#23589
On April 22 2016 04:05 Scip wrote:
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Terrible card. That hentai reference is going to make twitch chat crazy though 10/10

You can still run a miracoli rogue with the added cycle and reduced aggro tools it might be possible..
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 19:39:53
April 21 2016 19:39 GMT
#23590
I worry about what your wincon would be with miracoli rogue though. Can do 23 with pirate prep oil oil faceless I think which is pretty good when you draw your whole deck. Going to be a lot harder to be consistent without the flurry and so far they haven't given anything to make up for it.

Hentai card is 10/10. Great job blizzard.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 20:02:51
April 21 2016 20:02 GMT
#23591
Realistically you would piece a win con with minions + combo so something like leeroy cold blood + shadow step would be a enough for a finisher.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 20:10:36
April 21 2016 20:09 GMT
#23592
Oh yea I'm dumb the combo is double cold blood + pirate dude + faceless for exactly 20 damage off no board and 8 mana(10 if you weapon up). Think it's better than Leeroy as he's also 20 damage but needs 9 mana to do it so can't squeeze in an evis. Maybe just run all 3 lol. Still you have no healing or aoe in standard which may just be too big a liability.

phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
April 21 2016 21:40 GMT
#23593
I sort of wonder how rogue in particular is supposed to get to the point where they use c'thun. They can shadowstep it all they want and even guarantee drawing it with conceal + that draw a 10 mana minion card but how are they supposed to live to that point? Reno?

I mean I love rogue and all but if they go the way of pre gvg pally I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the game. Even my echo giants mage is getting the nerfbat. At least the change to BGH means I get to D/E my golden one for a free legendary.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 21:55:53
April 21 2016 21:52 GMT
#23594
Same way rogue deal with everything, removal and cycle. Most maly decks only run one healbot.

I think Pally, Priest, Rogue are going to be bottom tier in standard and Druid, Warrior and Lock will be top tier this expansion.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 21 2016 22:16 GMT
#23595
Was going to write a blog, got through most of it and then accidentally refreshed. RIP Me.

Anyways these are my photos from the trip. There aren't many because most of the ones I took sucked but these I would call good. Except the group photo, not taken by me, and in which I look stupid.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskxWRqyd
Writer@WriterYamato
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
April 21 2016 23:37 GMT
#23596
So a lot of people think BGH will still be played, I find it doubtful, useless card unless it hits a target and too situational compared to direct removal. It's effect is strong but only if it comes into play and is probably to slow to utilize with the smaller swing turn when it gets to utilizes its effect. BGH would win you games before but was useless when it didn't and if does not swing games enough for all the MU it can be used in the decks its bad against will make it subpar you might as well run assassinate or mulch or other shitty removal which can remove non bgh targets too.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 21 2016 23:57 GMT
#23597
We did great today boys!
Cracked Avacyn pack 1, Declaration in Stone pack 2.
And by "we did great" I mean "of course I didn't win the draft so you can unleash the usual facepalms.

Avacyn's better as a prize than a card anyway, had it thrice in my opening hand (one that I mulled) away, and the games ended before I got to 5 mana. Same thing happened with Arlinn two weeks ago (drew once, had to mull).

+ Show Spoiler [draft] +
My right neighbour said that he'd cut all W from me seeing how I had Avacyn, I wasn't sure if he was joking... he passed me Bound by Moonsilver so I figured maybe he was.
I ended up picking a couple white cards (Reaper of Flight Moonsilver) but I was clearly lacking some choice, figured someone was drafting it upstream. I received some G though, and I figured maybe I can go GW clues (had the mole, byway courier and confront the unknown).
Thraben Inspectors didn't make the wheel sadly.

Pack 2 I open Declaration in Stone. There's at least 3 other cards I'd be happy to take, but at that point...
Then I get passed a pack with Always Watching, Pack Guardian, Rabid Bite, and another good W card that I forgot. I cringe a lot, but go for AW. After the games, a couple guys are baffled by my choice and hard that Pack Guardian is snap pick and much stronger (I reasoned that I already had removal and a couple decent creatures, so I could outvalue, plus I had a couple double-W costs so putting double-G in that'd also require me to discard lands for full value seemed tight).
I get a bunch more W out of that pack, mainly spirits and small drops.

Pack 3 lets me "round up" my deck, with a censer (passed a second one), a lot of 2-drops, some more removal.
I end with AW, Angelic Purge, Bound by Moonsilver, Confront the Unknown, Rabid Bite, Aim High, Censer, Declaration, and the rest is creatures with a bunch of 2-drops (including Drifters to allow Apothecary Geist), only two 4-drops and topped up by Avacyn, Reaper and Emissary of the Sleepless.

Turns out the guy to my right 2nd picked Thalia's Lieutenant and got passed Hanweir Militia Captain later, so obviously he'd go W too... he ended up BW (he picked up the inspectors that wheeled to him first), with a bunch of humans and some B removal.
Then, two places to my left was another GW guy... I got his remains pack 2, basically, with my bombs being what I opened and what I got passed by the guy between us.
I ended up really lucky I got this deck with how the table was set up. Two guys ended up with UR "what am I passed" decks.

+ Show Spoiler [matches] +
Match 1 vs GW yup, same as me, he even had an Always Watching himself.
Game 1 he mulls to 4, I get removal for the creatures he can play and my low curve lets me hit till he scoops.
Game 2 I keep a 2-hander with 2-drops and 3-drops, but I get stuck on a single plain with Always Watching and Reaper in hand. 17 cards later, I have 6 lands (sac'd a plains to Angelic Purge) and a single plain out of 9. At another table a guy got 5 non-land cards out of 13 draws and won. He points it out but I think I managed worse.
Game 3 he gets Silverfur Partisan out, Bound by Moonsilver isn't an instant/sorcery, aha! ... 'cept he can still target it (with confront the unknown) and create tokens. I cast Rabid Bite (using the mole) to kill it, he casts Aim High to keep it alive, more tokens. Fine, I'll put all these tokens in stone and no clue fo you.
Pack Guardian comes in to surprise kill two of my creatures when I attack, I exile it in exchange for yet another token. I finally hit a second plains and Always Watching comes in. After a couple more turns and flyers to prevent him from blocking I take it. The Silverfur was a real pain and withtout Declaration and AW it'd have escalated I think. My opponent sighed and showed his mostly-lands board, I reveal my hand consisting of 2 lands. Eh.

Match 2 vs BR vampires
Keeping it short, I got destroyed.
He played call the bloodline both games and made a fuckton of tokens while madnessing twins and youth out. Game 2 he even used Stensia Mascarade to blow me out. Because he's got so much tempo even an Indolent Neonate can't be blocked because he's too wide for me.
He also plays Accursed Witch both games. The first one was a bit closer, but the drain combined with the lifegain from the tokens he spews means that I can't reduce his life total signifcantly (he prob took close to 20 damage himself that game) and the clock doesn't let me stabilise, with the Apothecary (that I didn't draw) as the only lifegain.
We play a couple other games, he goes 4-0, with Call the Bloodline in his starting hand everytime. I just can't match it. Really impressed by the card, but with people to his right drafting mainly GW (guy between us was one of the "built UR out of the remains") he had all the R he wanted and cut it from his left neighbour (the other UR guy), and the people playing B were on the othe side of the table. I don't think it'd be easy to reproduce his deck.
One day maybe I'll beat him in a match.

Game 3 vs UR:
I don't remember how he won, despite him playing next to me the two previous rounds. He lost to UB zombie/flyers (who's playing my own opponent) previous round. I think he relies a bunch on Aberrant Researcher flipping, and his tempo/removal.
Game 1 he doesn't draw much, I go wide and run him over, choosing not to show my options in hand.
Game 2 I play the cultivator dork, and have a couple creatures, AW and (this time) another plains in hand, but he drops Uninvited Geist. I want to prevent him from attacking, then drop AW and start swinging once I'm a bit wider so he can't just attack with the Geist, so I drop Unruly Mob and attach Censer to it, however he trades and loses a creature on purpose to put a counter on it, so next turn I can't block the Geist and it flips.
So I go along with my plan, play AW, remove the Silent Observer he plays and swing, however he has the Censer I passed and puts it on the geist for a 4/4 unblockable vigilance. The race begins.
He blows me out for the second time with Dance with Devils (I should have played around it, he kept a lot of mana open since UR has a bunch of instants, and reduced my 4x 2-drops by half in game 1 this way), killing the 4/4 Reaper, but it also means the Mob grows so I can hopefully outrace him. Once the mob has grown I play Apothecary Geist and put the Censer on it so I have three 4+ power creatures when he has 2 blockers and 4 life, and win.

Besides us, BR lost game 1 against UB zombie flyers (Accursed Witch, Prized Amalgam, 2x Ghoulsteed, 2x Stormrider Spirit, Throttle, Macabre Waltz, Silent Observer (maybe 2?), Crow, Drunau Corpsetrawler, Rats... basically pretty good at gumming up the ground and good flyers + the witch to put a block).
Game 2 he gets off a decent start, flips his own witch, then lets the UB guy lose to his own Asylum Visitor (emptied his hand with opponent at 1 HP).
Game 3 he had a slower start, notably no Call the Bloodline nor Masquerade in any of his losses, and as a result lost a bunch of his board (although dual shot blew big ass blockers hard, killing an observer and lamplighter at once), UB guy drops to 6 but then Stormrider Spirits gum up the board. Amalgam's been exiled with boarded in Shambling Back, as it and Witch were amongst the 4 cards milled by the Crow. Despite this, UB holds until the remaining flyers win him the game, holding on at 6 life. I wonder if his deck was really stronger, or if BR was just unlucky not to get any of his enchantments out.

+ Show Spoiler [prizes and conclusion] +
Avacyn, Jace, Declaration in Stone, BR land, Fevered Visions, Bygone Bishop, Falkenrath Gorger, Thalia's Lieutenant, Always Watching x2, Militia Captain, foil To the Slaughter, Prized Amalgam... lots of good stuff.
I ended up 3rd, and Avacyn was obviously gone so I hoped the guy would go for value and pick Jace, so I'd complete my Declaration playset, but he picked it... well, went for Jace. I have a lieutenant, a bishop and 2 always watching, so I could easily get the remainder of a W deck (that'd leave Declaration, Avacyn and Tithe though, or CoCo if I go the GW route).
Welcome to the Fold and Silverfur Partisan rounded up my stuff (although I'm less and less sure of trying a WW deck, it's slower than humans and straight-forward, without much removal or tempo so I don't think it does that well.

Stuff I learnt:
- Call the Bloodline is ridiculously strong if you have madness pieces. I saw it was better than early limited reviews thought, but I didn't think it'd be that bonkers. I'll have to try and draft that, but I haven't had the opportunity to go BR madness once so far.
- I shouldn't try to push some damage against vampires when I know it'll be hard to trade with their stuff. It's too easy for them to drop a creature at the end of my turn and then I have no blocker. Bloodmad Vampire is a blowout if I do this. Stensia Mascarade with I thought is good with a decent curve but cuts on tempo, was played with madness as a pseudo combat-trick too and blew me out. I didn't know he had it so couldn't really play around it but I should pay more attention to the outlets available.
- I'd like to try and draft that at least once. It won't be doable at the LGS and club because people caught on BR madness being the strongest archetype (you can't match its speed if it draws well), meaning it'll prob be like BW in Oath: because everyone knows it's the best they'll fight for it if it appears open and noone'll get all the good cards. We'll see on xmage.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 22 2016 03:38 GMT
#23598
On April 22 2016 07:16 yamato77 wrote:
Was going to write a blog, got through most of it and then accidentally refreshed. RIP Me.

Anyways these are my photos from the trip. There aren't many because most of the ones I took sucked but these I would call good. Except the group photo, not taken by me, and in which I look stupid.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskxWRqyd

Happy I was able to rock my King Felix shirt. Nothing I'd rather be caught dead in.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
April 22 2016 04:54 GMT
#23599
On April 22 2016 12:38 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 07:16 yamato77 wrote:
Was going to write a blog, got through most of it and then accidentally refreshed. RIP Me.

Anyways these are my photos from the trip. There aren't many because most of the ones I took sucked but these I would call good. Except the group photo, not taken by me, and in which I look stupid.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskxWRqyd

Happy I was able to rock my King Felix shirt. Nothing I'd rather be caught dead in.

and yet you wore my sweater for the bbq

:3
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
April 22 2016 05:21 GMT
#23600
On April 22 2016 08:37 Eppa! wrote:
So a lot of people think BGH will still be played, I find it doubtful, useless card unless it hits a target and too situational compared to direct removal. It's effect is strong but only if it comes into play and is probably to slow to utilize with the smaller swing turn when it gets to utilizes its effect. BGH would win you games before but was useless when it didn't and if does not swing games enough for all the MU it can be used in the decks its bad against will make it subpar you might as well run assassinate or mulch or other shitty removal which can remove non bgh targets too.


It depends mostly on the meta. As long as big, expensive minions are common BGH is a good tech card. Yeah, it won't be as good as before, but it doesn't have to be to be playable.

BGH is now in the same space Healbot was, 5 mana for a powerful effect and a reasonable but relatively weak body. It's slightly more restrictive, but again, as long as there are good targets for it to shoot it'll have a place.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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