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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On March 29 2015 04:27 Ansibled wrote: http://www.dailydot.com/esports/reddit-moderators-riot-games-league-of-legends-nda/ ... really Riot? Really? Most if not all companies do this. I'm not sure why you're super surprised. From a security standpoint this is the most logical thing I've seen riot due in terms of social media in a long time. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I don't see what's strange about Riot adding a conditional NDA for private communication. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 29 2015 04:32 Cixah wrote: Most if not all companies do this. I'm not sure why you're super surprised. From a security standpoint this is the most logical thing I've seen riot due in terms of social media in a long time. Well the article suggests 2 other big game Devs that don't do it. It's not really anything new though that the subreddit is controlled by Riot. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
That said, I can't really imagine the kind of sensitive information that would be useful to inform "Reddit LoL Mods" collectively would be. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On March 29 2015 04:45 Numy wrote: Well the article suggests 2 other big game Devs that don't do it. It's not really anything new though that the subreddit is controlled by Riot. In fairness, Blizzard and Valve have pretty poor community relations teams. For example, a lot of pro players don't know who to talk to at Blizz even when it comes to problems like scheduling conflicts or travel to events. And Valve is notrious for basically not having a community relations team. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On March 29 2015 04:45 Numy wrote: Well the article suggests 2 other big game Devs that don't do it. It's not really anything new though that the subreddit is controlled by Riot. But that's not necessarily what this means. I really just don't care about it. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 29 2015 04:48 GhandiEAGLE wrote: But that's not necessarily what this means. I really just don't care about it. Well yes this incident doesn't necessarily mean that influence but past actions along with this give some convincing arguments for them influencing. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 29 2015 04:45 MoonBear wrote: I can't be bothered to rewrite my thoughts so here's what I wrote on Reddit. I agree with the premise, but disagree with the course of action. I don't consider it wrong that Riot offered the conditional line of communication, but I consider it a failure by the Reddit mods who chose to do so to uphold Reddit policy that forbids them from entering a contractual obligation on behalf of Reddit without admin approval. That's not something I think Reddit as an entity should condone, especially given how inconsistent and moderation on the site is to begin with. If Riot considers it important to enter a contractual obligation with Reddit organizationally, the moderators aren't the ones they should be going to. They might not know that (though given that the communication was proposed by an ex-moderator, I highly doubt that), but the moderators should. If there's an open policy that's going to be laid out like you suggest, it should go through administration first. I wouldn't consider the agreement currently set up between Riot and Reddit's LoL subreddit mods to be valid, in that they took it upon themselves to "represent" Reddit as an entity when they don't have the authority to do so. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On March 29 2015 04:48 Numy wrote: Yea I agree I'm merely pointing out that the statement that most if not all is not quite true. Valve well Icefrog does communicate a lot of pro players which I'm not sure if he makes them sign NDAs or not. IceFrog probably only talks about balance stuff. I can see the Riot community team discussing things like server security/stability, hacking, and other stuff which is much more sensitive. In those cases, an NDA doesn't seem out of place. During my time as a Wrench, we never had an explicit NDA but this was also several years ago when Riot was much smaller and didn't really have a formal Community team. But it was always made clear whenever we were discussing something sensitive that it was on a strict "we're telling you this to help you do things, but never ever disclose this to anyone else" basis. On March 29 2015 04:50 TheYango wrote: I agree with the premise, but disagree with the course of action. I don't consider it wrong that Riot offered the conditional line of communication, but I consider it a failure by the Reddit mods who chose to do so to uphold Reddit policy that forbids them from entering a contractual obligation on behalf of Reddit without admin approval. That's not something I think Reddit as an entity should condone, especially given how inconsistent and moderation on the site is to begin with. If Riot considers it important to enter a contractual obligation with Reddit organizationally, the moderators aren't the ones they should be going to. They might not know that (though given that the communication was proposed by an ex-moderator, I highly doubt that), but the moderators should. The way I see it, one of the biggest problems here is the massive distrust the general community has towards the subreddit moderators and Riot's intentions. So being public about intentions and having a formal process seems like a sensible course of action. That being said, yes stuff against Reddit ToS is wrong. Then again, Reddit's approach to moderation is so inconsistent I'm not sure where they draw the line. Reddit itself is having a philosophical disagreement about its direction as a site but I suspect they'll view this poorly. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 29 2015 04:59 MoonBear wrote: That being said, yes stuff against Reddit ToS is wrong. Then again, Reddit's approach to moderation is so inconsistent I'm not sure where they draw the line. Reddit itself is having a philosophical disagreement about its direction as a site but I suspect they'll view this poorly. So is ours, but I'd like to think that if LL moderation was offered a similar agreement there'd be better communication between the mods and TL admins about the situation as a whole. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23470 Posts
riot are nearly always right lol feels like they just assume they are allowed to bitch here and nobody even tries to argue when i call em out like a bad feminist forum or something | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 29 2015 05:42 Slayer91 wrote: yeah i dont even know why everyone thinks like that riot are nearly always right lol feels like they just assume they are allowed to bitch here and nobody even tries to argue when i call em out like a bad feminist forum or something I mean, at least from my perspective, it was never necessarily "right or wrong" in the absolute sense, but "do I agree with the design direction they're taking League in as a game". At some point I just accepted the fact that the kind of game I wanted League to be and what Riot wants it to be aren't the same. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23470 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
But if you took GD at face value you'd think riot is a bunch of idiot savant monkeys who actively try to ruin their own brand but somehow fail at fucking their game up more than they fail at making it. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
One thing I always wonder is what Lee Sin would be like as a champion if rather than removing the double-E bug and buffing the shit out of everything, they didn't buff him and balanced him around the double-E bug. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On March 29 2015 05:50 TheYango wrote: Well I mean even among things where there's no direct analogues, my favorite version of the game was also one that was pretty generally unpopular, so even if you took DotA out of the equation, I can accept that my view on what League should be like is pretty unorthodox. Meanwhile, my predictions of what riot is going to do / wants to do are almost always right, but super unpopular here :D | ||
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