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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 19 2014 19:28 Gahlo wrote: Don't you know you can't have fun if you aren't winning? Thing is if you losing at rank 15 it's not about not having legendaries. There's plenty of cheap decks you can run that gets you pretty dam far if you just play them well. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On August 19 2014 19:59 Numy wrote: Thing is if you losing at rank 15 it's not about not having legendaries. There's plenty of cheap decks you can run that gets you pretty dam far if you just play them well. I said nothing about card rarity. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I'm not thinking they're the only way to win, I'm frustrated when games are decided because the other guy plays a legendary, or because had I drawn a legendary instead of the replacement I'm running, I would have won. It's obviously not always the case, and there were games where an Argent Commander, Crystal Golem or sometimes even Wolf Rider would have finished me off al the same. But it happens with some regularity, and when you had epics into the mix (Highmanes spam, Ancient for Druids or Molten Giants for Warlock) it goes up to more than half my opponents having better card quality (not in term of deck building, but what they own over me using replacements) so it's bound to decide some games. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On August 19 2014 20:03 Numy wrote: Yea I'm kind of talking to Alaric who thinks legendaries or expensive cards are the only way to win when it's more likely he's just not playing the decks that well in the first place. Legendaries do help though. Back when I played, before I got Leeroy, I had to sub in either Reckless Rocketeers or a Argent Commander for him. Neither were anywhere close to being as good and I lost a handful of games purely because of the drop in card quality on a single card. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
This might just be anecdotal evidence but from my personal experience ranking up in that area I almost never had a leeroy that wasn't overkill. I see you said you were trying to run a control warrior. I think that's the most expensive deck in the game to get working 100% so maybe that's an issue? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
That's also why I'm mostly talking about the Rogue, since it only misses Leroy and Mukla compared to the "full" Backspace Rogue, so it's easier to draw comparisons (well much easier with Leroy than Mukla, seeing how its role is basically the same as Crystal Golem, only with 2-6 less reach depending on Shadowsteps in hand and turn). | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On August 19 2014 17:48 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Can someone tell me what song Soniv is singing? I forgot it. When Spirits Are Calling My Name, by Roger Pontare | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 19 2014 20:31 Alaric wrote: Na, the Warrior gets smashed by Hunters before I reach the turns where I could drop legendaries anyway. Issue being that I also have to play it differently since the missing cards (including epics like Shield Slams which are very important as removal) mean I have to be more proactive, as I lack finishers. I can certainly improve on that front (I don't play Control Warrior optimally, and I don't play my variant optimally either so it combos for a bunch of mistakes; also one of the reasons I like the deck though, makes you take a bunch of decisions) but having a stronger "safety net" would also be much more forgiving when playing for the long run. That's also why I'm mostly talking about the Rogue, since it only misses Leroy and Mukla compared to the "full" Backspace Rogue, so it's easier to draw comparisons (well much easier with Leroy than Mukla, seeing how its role is basically the same as Crystal Golem, only with 2-6 less reach depending on Shadowsteps in hand and turn). From my experiencce playing hunter and watching Trump play control warrior that first statement just isn't true. Are you running unstable ghouls and sludge belchers? Those are the two really big obstacles for hunters to get past. If they blow removal on them but don't win quickly it means they don't have removal for the big threats later. Armoursmith behind either of them is also pretty deadly. Gromish is pretty much the most important legendary I think for control warrior as it synergies so dam well with deathsbite for a finisher. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
:OOOO POWER OVERWHELMING iloveyouguys | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
 EagleHorn deals with unstable ghouls and is easily replenished by mad scientists. Sludge Belchers are sometimes a bit slow (I feel like I'm hugely dependant on getting them early as Death Bite's deathrattle is a bit slow itself, my lack of good finishers/turnaround cards like Alex makes me feel pressured to end earlier than a real Control Warrior deck so I'm uneasy when I don't get a good start and have to armor up, but that may be false).Basically, my lack of strong late game means that even stuff like Sludge Belchers are valuable to me, which makes it very awkward to deal damage to Hunters for fear of a freezing trap that cripples my board. I feel like it also reduces the value of armorsmiths because they mostly offer stalling, but I don't have that much to stall for (I usually win vy removing most of what the Hunter has, and then I don't finish him so much as he concedes because he feels stuck). A Hunter's Mark to my Sludge Belcher is a big hit, while I assume more "furnished" decks are 0K with it, for example (and Kill Command is basically free). Maybe I should try playing Feugen/Stalagg more aggressively instead of just defending every turn (I'm usually worried I'll lose too many HP if i don't already have a taunt up and the Hunter decides to ignore them to just go for face). Maybe I should learn when to save cards like armorsmith/acolyte of pain in the early turns if I don't have a taunt yet, and armor up, to play "combos" later when I have more mana and I hit a Death Bite or an Unstable Ghoul. The lack of Shield Slam to Shield Slam -> Cleave and remove a Highmane makes them stupidly harsh on my life total though. Hang on Wave! o/ | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 19 2014 21:32 Alaric wrote: Maybe I should learn when to save cards like armorsmith/acolyte of pain in the early turns if I don't have a taunt yet, and armor up, to play "combos" later when I have more mana and I hit a Death Bite or an Unstable Ghoul. The lack of Shield Slam to Shield Slam -> Cleave and remove a Highmane makes them stupidly harsh on my life total though. This is what it all comes down to. I just played a control warrior whose only legendary was Gromish. He didn't win but it went down to 2 cards left for each of us and was a dam hard game. It's all about getting max value out of your cards instead of just putting them down whenever you can. You don't just want to put down an acolyte if he's just going to get 1 draw, same as you don't want to just put down armoursmith if you only going to get 1 armour from it. Think instead of shield slam/cleave he had whirlwind/ooze and a growhowl which I think you can use arcanite to get similar effect. You can even throw in an owl/spellbreaker if you having huge issues with the highmanes. I'm not saying you going to get to legendary rank with it but from my own experience and what I've spoken to people you can definitely get a lot higher than where you at. All I'm really trying to say is just stick with it. You'll get there eventually  | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Duvon
Sweden2360 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
apparently we have a full staff meeting today and it is also the company's field day, so 0 work is getting done it is not a good time for there to be 0 work getting done T_T edit: and my sister challenged me to that ALS ice bucket shit Frudgey, stop using your Terran voodoo to make this day worse than a Monday | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On August 19 2014 21:33 WaveofShadow wrote: I went to bed at 10 last night. I can't remember the last time I did that. Moving fucking sucks. Also braved the crazy long commute only to find out I was half an hour early after waking up at 6. I get to stay here doing not much today until 530 is, at which point I gotta go to the apartment to try and cram some stuff in my car the moving truck couldn't fit, then drive home, shove food in my face, set up my computer and stuff, and then go to bed so I can do it all over again tomorrow. I never went to bed. Why am I still awake!? | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On August 19 2014 22:23 Cixah wrote: This morning is the worst. Got out of my car and tripped, ripping a hole in my pants pocket that is progressivly getting bigger. These pants were old so I don't care too much about it, but the part that pissed me off was that my phone charger was in my pocket and its one of those cheap iphone shitty ones so now my phone isn't charging and I can't watch twitch from work. I actually have to DO things today >:|. I feel for ya man. I got a pair of ratty slip on shoes that I wore for basic shore shit. Caught them on the corner of a screen door and now even I won't wear these things out in public. | ||
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