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Poll: WESG 2017 Champion Maru (46) Dark (25) 71 total votes Your vote: WESG 2017 Champion | ||
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Dark has gone 18-1 in series against Terran since the WCS Global Finals. His one loss? To Maru at the WESG Asian Pacific Qualifier in a complete spanking. Maru repeats that feat to win WESG and again to make the GSL finals which he wins over soO. | ||
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On March 18 2018 05:08 Boggyb wrote: Maru 4-1. Dark has gone 18-1 in series against Terran since the WCS Global Finals. His one loss? To Maru at the WESG Asian Pacific Qualifier in a complete spanking. Maru repeats that feat to win WESG and again to make the GSL finals which he wins over soO. Dark was outplaying Maru that series tbh. He only lost because of stupid decisions that I doubt he'd make when theres's actually something on the line. | ||
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 Maru 4-1  Dark | ||
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I guess I'll sleep later :D | ||
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On March 18 2018 06:56 Poopi wrote: 3am? Fuck it it's Maru of all terrans in a 200k$ finals against Dark in one of the best match ups historically... I guess I'll sleep later :D Pretty much this but I'm dungeon mastering(D&D) at 12 AM -_- Not sure if I can actually handle that | ||
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On March 18 2018 09:32 The_Red_Viper wrote: Just something to consider, if Maru wins this he will be the highest earning sc2 player of all time. That would mean that in a span of only weeks three different JinAir players would set a new record. And then Cure somehow wins blizzcon and sets it again? | ||
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On March 18 2018 09:33 Fango wrote: And then Cure somehow wins blizzcon and sets it again? Only if blizzcon is worth 500k first place, but sure it might happen | ||
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On March 18 2018 10:14 Athenau wrote: Hoping that Maru wins with a rain of anti-armor missiles that blots out the sky. Dark will fight in the shade. | ||
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There won't be any shade or dark left with all the explosions. | ||
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and fall next to Reynors corpse | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Dark's just trying to gather information about if he can beat late game terran from a perfect set-up. And then he's going to all-in every single other game. He picked a weird map to do it on, this is probably the best map for Terran turtling ever. | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:20 geokilla wrote: TIL you can turtle with bio. I learn ravens is the counter to baneling | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:20 geokilla wrote: TIL you can turtle with bio. You can if your opponent never attacks. On March 18 2018 11:20 Solar424 wrote: He picked a weird map to do it on, this is probably the best map for Terran turtling ever. Yeah, but he has a massive economic lead, so it still makes a good test. | ||
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I thought the community was crying Ravens are the counter to everything? | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:21 geokilla wrote: I thought the community was crying Ravens are the counter to everything? Nah they only counter baneling, against everything else the ravens is just supporting | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:23 Solar424 wrote: Dark is maxed and is still down 30 army supply, he may have over-made drones. seems intentional to me :o | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:26 Solar424 wrote: I'm not sure how Blizzard thought putting a map with every base behind a chokepoint and your first three behind one wouldn't be insanely Terran favored. This isn't the map's fault for once. Dark could have easily killed him earlier, and you can't break a terran siting on this comp. on five bases no matter the map. | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah, I'm not sure it counts as 'showing us how to beat this playstyle' when you get a gigantic early advantage and an extra three bases. It only shows how to play if you have complete map control and an economic lead | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:42 Fango wrote: Is it worth making a quick spire just to force thors and turrets from the terran? Not really, spire is kind of expensive and thors are pretty good vs roaches still | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:42 Fango wrote: Is it worth making a quick spire just to force thors and turrets from the terran? Doubtful. I'm sure he would have built some mutas if it didn't get scouted. And the swarmhosts are a cute idea. He doesn't want to go for normal stuff against Maru. He'd lose the momentum and mental edge he gained from beating Maru's lategame (even if it was under lopsided circumstances). | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:42 The_Red_Viper wrote: So this should go to maru Well not like that :D | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Doubtful. I'm sure he would have built some mutas if it didn't get scouted. Pfff can't believe you don't know the spire into nothing build | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:46 Fango wrote: Lol swarmhosts have always been a counter to mech. When they got nerfed zerg refused to make them and it turned out they were still the counter. Now they've been nerfed again but still. Zerg refused to make them since vipers are just better in 99% of circumstances. These weird compositions might be the 1% though. And does Maru have the cyclone upgrade? | ||
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edit:  so it's map 7 | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:59 Aunvilgodess wrote: Why are so few ppl watching this greatness? EU no passion | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:59 Aunvilgodess wrote: Why are so few ppl watching this greatness? This tournament is tragically under-advertised and under-hyped, despite it's huge prize pool. Also having the finals by themselves today is never a good idea for viewership | ||
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On March 18 2018 11:55 Fango wrote: This is technically considered the highest level ZvT in the world right? Maru and Dark are the #1 in both matchups. tbh I feel like they are both kinda figuring out the new meta at the moment haha | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:09 Mozdk wrote: It almost looks like banelings are not worth it vs a guy who can split like Maru. But you can't not have banelings because then they just won't split and kite you instead | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:11 Fango wrote: I refuse to believe Maru can win this series tbh I mean believe whatever you want but he certainly can | ||
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If he always played like this he might be at Innovation level achievements. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: If Maru wins this, he rockets up to the #1 earner in SC2 history. If Dark wins, he's #3 Would be funny if the top 3 earners are all Jin Air players | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean believe whatever you want but he certainly can After the the final vs Life and ro4 against Rogue, I won't believe it until it happens | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: If Maru wins this, he rockets up to the #1 earner in SC2 history. If Dark wins, he's #3 Yeah, I was thinking about that yesterday. Those JinAir boys could just wind up trading #1 earnings spots... | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:13 Fango wrote: After the the final vs Life and ro4 against Rogue, I won't believe it until it happens Not sure how relevant that match vs life is, but sure maru likes to "choke". Ability wise it seems clear that he can win though  | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:15 Fango wrote: He's not proxyrax'ing? Maru forgot what map he's on. MINDGAMES | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:13 Fango wrote: After the the final vs Life and ro4 against Rogue, I won't believe it until it happens Dark is a bigger choker than he is when it comes to finals and semis. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:17 Shellshock wrote: Do you think Maru will make BCs against Dark? Most certainly if the game goes long enough. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:17 Shellshock wrote: Do you think Maru will make BCs against Dark? Do you think Maru will make any more ravens this series? | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:19 The_Red_Viper wrote: Do you think Maru will make any more ravens this series? no he is going to handicap himself and got 9 nuke again | ||
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Dark now: \ | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:29 Mozdk wrote: Does concussive shell not affect ultras? Or did Maru forget to get that upgrade? concussive shell dosent effect massive units | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:29 Mozdk wrote: Does concussive shell not affect ultras? Or did Maru forget to get that upgrade? it doesnt affect massive units | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:29 Mozdk wrote: Does concussive shell not affect ultras? Or did Maru forget to get that upgrade? doesn't work on massive units | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:29 Mozdk wrote: Does concussive shell not affect ultras? Or did Maru forget to get that upgrade? Ultras have a passive ability which basically makes it so they don't care about anything | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:29 Mozdk wrote: Does concussive shell not affect ultras? Or did Maru forget to get that upgrade? Ultras are frenzied so they aren't affected by stuff like concussive shells, fungal, time warp. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Ultras are frenzied so they aren't affected by stuff like concussive shells, fungal, time warp. since they are frenzied and massive it should speed them up tbh | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:31 Topin wrote: is seventh map abio? Yes. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:31 Shellshock wrote: since they are frenzied and massive it should speed them up tbh That would make sense. Instead of slowing them it just pisses them off. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:32 Solar424 wrote: That would make sense. Instead of slowing them it just pisses them off. They should gain that charge upgrade they had in the beta when hit by concussive shells. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:36 Fango wrote: He cancelled nydus because he lost both overlords he had out? Looks like it. Or maybe he got a read on all the cyclones somehow. | ||
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And the follow up of swarmhosts and banelings rather than vipers and a hive is bizarre. | ||
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On March 18 2018 08:47 DBooN wrote: I predict that Maru will lose atleast one game by not walling in properly. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:46 chipmonklord17 wrote: We get to see this series again in a week On the antiquated map pool that GSL uses though. I think that helps Dark? | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:49 Waxangel wrote: How is Maru not dead yet D: Dark in game 1 and game 5 is playing super safe when ahead. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:52 Charoisaur wrote: If nydus doesn't get scouted - instantly win the game If nydus gets scouted - cancel and continue playing like nothing happened Not enough Ravens! | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:51 Fango wrote: This is what's frustrating about Maru. In regular games he always wins. But then he loses to stupid shit (not looking at his army, misbuilding a wall, choosing to cheese etc). Yyyep. I hope he can take this still, but he's gotta get himself together again if he wants to have a chance. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:52 Charoisaur wrote: If nydus doesn't get scouted - instantly win the game If nydus gets scouted - cancel and continue playing like nothing happened Yet the community wants to nerf terran over zerg. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:52 Charoisaur wrote: If nydus doesn't get scouted - instantly win the game If nydus gets scouted - cancel and continue playing like nothing happened If proxy rax doesn't get scouted - instantly win the game If proxy rax gets scouted - float to main base, salvage bunkers, and continue like nothing happened | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:54 Solar424 wrote: If proxy rax doesn't get scouted - instantly win the game If proxy rax gets scouted - float to main base, salvage bunkers, and continue like nothing happened That's not even close to being the same. If a proxy rax is scouted early the zerg should win the game. Nydus can be cancelled to not much loss. Also proxy rax unscouted isn't even an auto win. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:54 Solar424 wrote: If proxy rax doesn't get scouted - instantly win the game If proxy rax gets scouted - float to main base, salvage bunkers, and continue like nothing happened Terrible comparison, if you float to main base without doing damage you're so far behind you might as well gg. | ||
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On March 18 2018 12:55 Fango wrote: That's not even close to being the same. If a proxy rax is scouted early the zerg should win the game. Nydus can be cancelled to not much loss. Also proxy rax unscouted isn't even an auto win. Well we're about to find out | ||
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Dark has left the game | ||
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On March 18 2018 13:02 Fango wrote: Normally in these kind of games I say Maru just got lucky. But Dark got so lucky in the two games before that I don't mind. Now it's your turn to tell us that maru cannot win, you did so after every game | ||
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On March 18 2018 13:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: DRAMA TIME https://twitter.com/Nerchio_SC2/status/975219972090703872 Wow just wow, I dont know what to say.... | ||
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On March 18 2018 13:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: DRAMA TIME https://twitter.com/Nerchio_SC2/status/975219972090703872 If the proxy got scouted would Maru have gone full naniwa? | ||
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On March 18 2018 13:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: Now it's your turn to tell us that maru cannot win, you did so after every game He got very lucky this game. It's not a repeatable result imo. | ||
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On March 18 2018 13:03 Fango wrote: If the proxy got scouted would Maru have gone full naniwa? You can't rage quit the series when the series is already over. | ||
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On March 18 2018 13:04 Fango wrote: He got very lucky this game. It's not a repeatable result imo. Luck is part of the game, dark got lucky in two other games. | ||
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On March 18 2018 13:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: DRAMA TIME https://twitter.com/Nerchio_SC2/status/975219972090703872 What is proper sound proofing? When it comes to CS:GO, all 10 players are usually sitting in the middle of the arena with their headsets on. They can see and hear the audience and casters... I feel like unless everyone plays in booths, we'll never get proper sound proofing. | ||
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On March 18 2018 13:05 The_Red_Viper wrote: Maru is insane Maru loves going full MarineKing | ||
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On March 18 2018 13:04 Fango wrote: Have either of these two have won a bo7 that went to the final game? Usually they both tilt Dark beat Classic 4-3 in SSL Season 2 2016. Maru has never won 4-3 | ||
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chipmonklord17
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On March 18 2018 13:06 Solar424 wrote: Why would you hatch first on this map against a guy who just proxied you? He would never do it twice for $120k! | ||
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geokilla
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On March 18 2018 13:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Was he not able to target the scv building the first bunker? That seemed like a huge mistake to me That's what I'm wondering too... It was weird. | ||
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AUGcodon
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Was he not able to target the scv building the first bunker? That seemed like a huge mistake to me he attacked it once and then changed targeting to the bunker itself. i think it was a mistake | ||
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Topin
Peru10077 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Was he not able to target the scv building the first bunker? That seemed like a huge mistake to me wasnt the scv in the middle of the bunker? | ||
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
It was on the outside. | ||
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riotjune
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FrostedMiniWheats
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gtfo 3-4. 4-3!!! | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 18 2018 13:11 Shellshock wrote: he attacked it once and then changed targeting to the bunker itself. i think it was a mistake I think so too. When a building is against the wall you can technically cancel trick the SCV to not be able to be targeted is the drones focus it, but the segment of wall there was so small that getting the bunker up would have been quite difficult. And GG. This series was pretty sweet. | ||
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Charoisaur
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On March 18 2018 04:42 neutralrobot wrote: I'm gonna say Maru 4-2 or 4-3, with his games wildly swinging from pure brilliance to complete derp mode. If it's 4-3, the final game is unscouted cheese from Maru, while everyone rips their hair out wondering why the hell Dark didn't move an early scout just a tiny smidge farther in one direction. I was pretty close. | ||
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KappaKingPrime
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Boggyb
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1) Maru $552,000 2) Rogue $546,000 3) sOs $528,000 Jin Air needs to build the team a pool so they can Scrooge McDuck their winnings. | ||
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HotDOSBuns
Canada172 Posts
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JabuSeika
United States607 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Is this trophy heavier than the Katowice trophy? I would think this trophy is heavier than a fancy dinner plate | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Is this trophy heavier than the Katowice trophy? Looks bigger, weight idk. Zest could hold the katowice with one arm so it can't be that much | ||
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starkiller123
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:14 Waxangel wrote: Dark 1-6 in finals :'( The only person to lose to soO in a finals. Combined they are 2-15. I guess SKT can't make a Zerg champion. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
4th soon to follow | ||
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:15 Boggyb wrote: That makes Maru the most winning SC2 player of all time. 1) Maru $552,000 2) Rogue $546,000 3) sOs $528,000 Jin Air needs to build the team a pool so they can Scrooge McDuck their winnings. Holy | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:15 Fango wrote: Looks bigger, weight idk. Zest could hold the katowice with one arm so it can't be that much Zest can probably bench press Maru's weight with one arm. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Maru going unscouted rush that last game was balls of steel. I still can't believe it. Grats Maru. | ||
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Togekiss
Canada154 Posts
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Boggyb
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:22 Boggyb wrote: Poor sOs. He goes from undisputed cash king of Jin Air to 3rd place in less than 6 months. Very soon Jin-Air will stop paying players salaries and instead take a 10% comission. JK. But the coach really deserves it. | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:26 KR_4EVR wrote: Very soon Jin-Air will stop paying players salaries and instead take a 10% comission. JK. But the coach really deserves it. Teams already take some of the winnings don't they? | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
Rogue $550KsOs $520KMaru $550KProof that practicing with the best is key to being the best. Edit: I just realized that each of these three play their 'mirror' matchups very unconventionally. Perhaps due to the lack of an equal (of identical race) on the team. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/OZB3YJ4.jpg) The gap is not as close as IEM Katowice: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/531731-iem-xii-katowice-world-championship-championship-sunday?page=23#444. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/DwCuyuT.jpg) | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15958 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:22 Boggyb wrote: Poor sOs. He goes from undisputed cash king of Jin Air to 3rd place in less than 6 months. Still the most accomplished player on JA | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:31 usopsama wrote: Not as close as IEM Katowice: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/531731-iem-xii-katowice-world-championship-championship-sunday?page=23#444. + Show Spoiler + Department of revenue in S. Korea very happy. | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:30 Kalera wrote: Teams already take some of the winnings don't they? NO WAY. Just like in real sports, the players used to sign with the most lucrative teams. (Well, the skilled players with a name in the scene, anyways.) Someone correct me if I am wrong. Edit: I stand corrected. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15958 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:31 usopsama wrote: The gap is not as close as IEM Katowice: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/531731-iem-xii-katowice-world-championship-championship-sunday?page=23#444. + Show Spoiler + That 10k for Reynor is sick | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
I'm honestly somewhat surprised/disappointed at two players' lack of greed: Special, and Classic. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:31 usopsama wrote: The gap is not as close as IEM Katowice: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/531731-iem-xii-katowice-world-championship-championship-sunday?page=23#444. + Show Spoiler + Wow you really put in a lot of effort for your worthless shtick. | ||
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redloser
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seemsgood
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:53 redloser wrote: do they release the reps for wesg? https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1x2qfNQl47UIgNqhIOTHaAliH0tL69Rlp Finals should be added very soon. | ||
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redloser
Korea (South)1725 Posts
On March 18 2018 14:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1x2qfNQl47UIgNqhIOTHaAliH0tL69Rlp Finals should be added very soon. thank you | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:31 usopsama wrote: The gap is not as close as IEM Katowice: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/531731-iem-xii-katowice-world-championship-championship-sunday?page=23#444. + Show Spoiler + Man, you're committed to this aren't ya? | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Wow you really put in a lot of effort for your worthless shtick. On March 18 2018 14:05 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Man, you're committed to this aren't ya? Numbers help remind us how much achievement the foreigners have made after years of hard work. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On March 18 2018 14:12 usopsama wrote: Numbers help remind us how much achievement the foreigners have made after years of hard work. It's not like the implication is that Koreans don't work hard so I'm not sure what point your trying to make. | ||
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pvsnp
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sirax067
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On March 18 2018 13:30 KR_4EVR wrote: Rogue $550KsOs $520KMaru $550KProof that practicing with the best is key to being the best. Edit: I just realized that each of these three play their 'mirror' matchups very unconventionally. Perhaps due to the lack of an equal (of identical race) on the team. trap, creator and cure wouldnt be decent practice for sos and maru? | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On March 18 2018 14:12 usopsama wrote: Numbers help remind us how much achievement the foreigners have made after years of hard work. Here's some achievements you seem to have forgotten. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 18 2018 13:36 KR_4EVR wrote: NO WAY. Just like in real sports, the players used to sign with the most lucrative teams. (Well, the skilled players with a name in the scene, anyways.) Someone correct me if I am wrong. The Kespa teams took a share of prize money in the Proleague days, and unless JAGW changed that policy they still take their cut of their players' winnings IIRC the figure was ~15%. And of course the government will take its share. At a guess the players will actually pocket around 2/3 of the prize money | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 18 2018 14:37 pvsnp wrote: Missed the games but I'm glad Maru won. How were they? Did Dark die to mass Ravens or did he find a counter? Game 1: Dark did a ravager push, got a huge lead, unaccountably decided not to kill Maru. Let Maru get up to five bases on Backwater while denying the sixth. Ended up beating raven/ghost by trading inefficiently for 10 minutes when up 8 bases to 5. Game 2: Absolutely bizarre game on Eastwatch where Dark was going for swarmhosts/baneling. Maru was going for mech, and eventually went for some ravens (though they weren't really key), but I can't do this game justice by explaining it. The compositions were rather mental. Game 3: Super-solid marine/tank pushing from Maru, and the most standard game of the series Game 4: A strong Ling/Bane/Muta game from Dark with Maru not watching his army at key moments Game 5: Burrow roach attack wreck all the mineral lines, and from there Dark went for swarmhost/banelings Game 6: Proxy 2-rax Game 7: Proxy 2-rax | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 18 2018 15:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Game 1: Dark did a ravager push, got a huge lead, unaccountably decided not to kill Maru. Let Maru get up to five bases on Backwater while denying the sixth. Ended up beating raven/ghost by trading inefficiently for 10 minutes when up 8 bases to 5. Game 2: Absolutely bizarre game on Eastwatch where Dark was going for swarmhosts/baneling. Maru was going for mech, and eventually went for some ravens (though they weren't really key), but I can't do this game justice by explaining it. The compositions were rather mental. Game 3: Super-solid marine/tank pushing from Maru, and the most standard game of the series Game 4: A strong Ling/Bane/Muta game from Dark with Maru not watching his army at key moments Game 5: Burrow roach attack wreck all the mineral lines, and from there Dark went for swarmhost/banelings Game 6: Proxy 2-rax Game 7: Proxy 2-rax Just skimmed the games, and my god the balls on Maru to go for that proxy in Game 7. Won with the previous proxy, on the cheesiest map possible, he goes for it and wins with it. What a god. Maru staying true to his cheesy roots in the finest tradition of BoxeR. And it seems Dark won 2 of 3 games featuring Ravens. Not so invincible after all. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 18 2018 15:10 pvsnp wrote: Just skimmed the games, and my god the balls on Maru to go for that proxy in Game 7. Won with the previous proxy, on the cheesiest map possible, he goes for it and wins with it. What a god. Maru staying true to his cheesy roots in the finest tradition of BoxeR. And it seems Dark won 2 of 3 games featuring Ravens. Not so invincible after all. Yeah, but those games were already completely won before the ravens came out. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On March 18 2018 15:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah, but those games were already completely won before the ravens came out. Yeah, but he also showed great micro against them, especially in the second game. Seeing it reminded me of when DRG finally figured out how to play against INnoVation's widow mine parade push. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15958 Posts
On March 18 2018 14:29 Fango wrote: I just realised this is the first tournament since iem Shanghai 2017 where the player I was cheering for in the final actually won. I forgot what it feels like :D You cheered for Rogue at IEM Shanghai but not at the super tournament? | ||
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Australia176 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On March 18 2018 16:02 Charoisaur wrote: You cheered for Rogue at IEM Shanghai but not at the super tournament? Wasn't everyone cheering for sOs to qualify for Blizzcon? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On March 18 2018 16:38 Inflicted wrote: Wasn't everyone cheering for sOs to qualify for Blizzcon? No, why the hell would we | ||
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arkedos
Germany1426 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On March 18 2018 14:53 Solar424 wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrcCsFn_no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymYqKFj6XiU Here's some achievements you seem to have forgotten. so 2 victories in 3 years. And a complete foreign bloodbath when koreans where allowed to compete in Foreign land GG Gratz Maru ! It was close but Dark's greedyness got the better of him. Now I hope than Dark beat Maru in GSL (and he definitly can if he prepare well) so dark can lose in final against soO. | ||
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buffzerg33
96 Posts
Now champion. He truly is WESG best client | ||
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arkedos
Germany1426 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On March 18 2018 17:25 Mun_Su wrote: so 2 victories in 3 years. And a complete foreign bloodbath when koreans where allowed to compete in Foreign land GG Gratz Maru ! It was close but Dark's greedyness got the better of him. Now I hope than Dark beat Maru in GSL (and he definitly can if he prepare well) so dark can lose in final against soO. So what I'm getting from this is that foreigners do better in Korea, and Koreans do better out in the world. I think next year, GSL should be all foreigners, and WCS Global should be all Koreans. | ||
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Poopi
France12879 Posts
glad to wake up to the best player winning with style with my goto build in TvZ | ||
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Norway10161 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
Good job Maru and Dark. On March 18 2018 17:47 arkedos wrote: Maru is now at over 500k prize money earnings, 300k came from WESG alone within 2 years :D Withing 14 months even. | ||
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
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Hok
Canada42 Posts
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buffzerg33
96 Posts
No points for WCS Global Finals, really not enough good players. Till like ro4 games were low quality. Casters as well are kinda boring accept Rotti. Also timezone is bad for Europe and US. That said, pricepool is close to IEM Katowice, but when you try to compare....there is nothing to compare. Anyway, good job, at least last 4 players where high class. | ||
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yyltyler
23 Posts
On March 18 2018 20:51 buffzerg33 wrote: WESG have some problems. No points for WCG Global Finals, really not enough good players. Till like ro4 games were low quality. Casters as well are kinda boring accept Rotti. Also timezone is bad for Europe and US. That said, pricepool is close to IEM Katowice, but when you try to compare....there is nothing to compare. Anyway, good job, at least last 4 players where high class. Just treat it as a wcs circuit level tournament with a few rampaging Koreans. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Looking at the sponsors and advertising it's 100% aimed at the chinese market and viewership. I'd imagine the international viewership that has been really low (for all games btw, not just sc2) doesn't matter all that much to them. Otherwise they would show english ads from international sponsors on the english stream. Like where am I supposed to buy that juice box in Germany to support WESG? | ||
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jarodtou
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JWD[9]
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
On March 18 2018 20:57 Musicus wrote: I mean WESG is just Alibaba dipping their toe into esports and seeing what comes out of it. Looking at the sponsors and advertising it's 100% aimed at the chinese market and viewership. I'd imagine the international viewership that has been really low (for all games btw, not just sc2) doesn't matter all that much to them. Otherwise they would show english ads from international sponsors on the english stream. Like where am I supposed to buy that juice box in Germany to support WESG? Twitch viewership was 10k+ in the previous days, considering the bare minimum exposure (for this caliber of tournaments) and bad time for EU and NA it's fine. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 18 2018 16:02 Charoisaur wrote: You cheered for Rogue at IEM Shanghai but not at the super tournament? I didn't want Rogue to qualify for blizzcon over the other guys who were very close. (sOs, alive, Maru etc). | ||
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On March 18 2018 22:54 Jathin wrote: Anyone else think Dark threw that series? Watch Game 7 again and tell me his decision making wasn't suspicious. That bunker was dead and he pulled all his drones off it when it was 10% from dying. He was playing for $120,000. Someone paying him to throw would have had to offer even more than that and no gambler could or would. The only realistic possibility is if Maru and Dark conspired to split the money ($280,000) with Dark getting more in exchange for letting Maru win and getting the prestige. While I can imagine situations like that happening in theory, there are possibly major tax reasons why that's not realistic unless the winner is giving the loser a very lopsided split. | ||
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On March 18 2018 22:54 Jathin wrote: Anyone else think Dark threw that series? Watch Game 7 again and tell me his decision making wasn't suspicious. That bunker was dead and he pulled all his drones off it when it was 10% from dying. Occam's Razor: He was under a huge amount of stress and made a bad split-second decision. | ||
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
On March 19 2018 00:07 Kalera wrote: Occam's Razor: He was under a huge amount of stress and made a bad split-second decision. Occam's razor always wins. GG | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 18 2018 22:54 Jathin wrote: Anyone else think Dark threw that series? Watch Game 7 again and tell me his decision making wasn't suspicious. That bunker was dead and he pulled all his drones off it when it was 10% from dying. User was warned for this post He panicked because the marines were killing drones. I'm not sure how many drones it takes to out-dps bunker construction but there's a good chance he was about to fall of. Also no one on earth would throw a game with $120K on the line. | ||
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leublix
493 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Zephyp
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
Maru had an eureka moment of apotheosis midway through the series. He knew he could beat Dark in late game, he could beat Dark's all-ins, and he could beat Dark with bio pushes BUT if he didn't micro perfectly, Dark would win in each of those cases. So he made a huge decision, realising that if he put the stress on Dark instead, it would be up to Dark to have to micro perfectly to hold - which is really hard in a 2-3 hour long best of 7 under huge stress and monetary pressure.Maru, you have finally absorbed the teachings of $O$ - and a similar paycheck. | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On March 19 2018 04:13 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? Game 2 was a pretty great mindfuck. | ||
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
On March 18 2018 22:54 Jathin wrote: Anyone else think Dark threw that series? Watch Game 7 again and tell me his decision making wasn't suspicious. That bunker was dead and he pulled all his drones off it when it was 10% from dying. User was warned for this post Try playing a perfect game for 7 games in a row over the span of 2.5 hours without breaks... under immense pressure... mistakes happen. Accusations like this are not warranted. | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
On March 18 2018 20:51 buffzerg33 wrote: WESG have some problems. No points for WCS Global Finals, really not enough good players. Till like ro4 games were low quality. Casters as well are kinda boring accept Rotti. Also timezone is bad for Europe and US. That said, pricepool is close to IEM Katowice, but when you try to compare....there is nothing to compare. Anyway, good job, at least last 4 players where high class. Without tournaments external to the WCS system, the scene would not thrive. | ||
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