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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
June 17 2017 22:04 GMT
#541
On June 18 2017 07:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:


This seems to be the offical bracket

So I should start watching at Match #5 to avoid sitting through the ZvZs, got it.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
June 17 2017 22:04 GMT
#542
All Terrans in the same side, Drogo only non-Zerg on the other side.

Rigged.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
June 17 2017 22:05 GMT
#543
On June 18 2017 07:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/876196865766641664

This seems to be the offical bracket

No way that bracket isn't rigged. 7/10 Zergs in the top half? Dreamhack doing everything in their power to avoid a ZvZ finals.
Soke
Profile Joined September 2012
United States790 Posts
June 17 2017 22:06 GMT
#544
On June 18 2017 07:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/876196865766641664

This seems to be the offical bracket

If two players from the same group can't meet until the final, how can uThermal and Kelazhur be in the same quarter?
Djsoke
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 22:07:01
June 17 2017 22:06 GMT
#545
On June 18 2017 07:05 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/876196865766641664

This seems to be the offical bracket

No way that bracket isn't rigged. 7/10 Zergs in the top half? Dreamhack doing everything in their power to avoid a ZvZ finals.

Tbh I wouldn't blame them if it actually was rigged, ZvZ finals are massive cancer.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16024 Posts
June 17 2017 22:06 GMT
#546
so... Zerg vs MajOr/Neeb in the finals?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
ShAd_1337
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany1042 Posts
June 17 2017 22:07 GMT
#547
On June 18 2017 07:05 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/876196865766641664

This seems to be the offical bracket

No way that bracket isn't rigged. 7/10 Zergs in the top half? Dreamhack doing everything in their power to avoid a ZvZ finals.


i hate shit like that. DH did a bracket they liked. there have to be an official draw on stream to avoid this huge bullshit
I like Dark
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
June 17 2017 22:07 GMT
#548
On June 18 2017 07:06 Charoisaur wrote:
so... Zerg vs MajOr/Neeb in the finals?

Get hype.
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ShAd_1337
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany1042 Posts
June 17 2017 22:07 GMT
#549
On June 18 2017 07:06 Soke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/876196865766641664

This seems to be the offical bracket

If two players from the same group can't meet until the final, how can uThermal and Kelazhur be in the same quarter?


dh just don't care
I like Dark
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16024 Posts
June 17 2017 22:07 GMT
#550
On June 18 2017 07:05 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/876196865766641664

This seems to be the offical bracket

No way that bracket isn't rigged. 7/10 Zergs in the top half? Dreamhack doing everything in their power to avoid a ZvZ finals.

they're smart. They're avoiding ZvZ's during the prime hours.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 22:08:58
June 17 2017 22:08 GMT
#551
On June 18 2017 07:06 Soke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/876196865766641664

This seems to be the offical bracket

If two players from the same group can't meet until the final, how can uThermal and Kelazhur be in the same quarter?

WCS Circuit doesn't give no fucks about rules like that. No ZvZ finals, the ends justify the means
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Soke
Profile Joined September 2012
United States790 Posts
June 17 2017 22:08 GMT
#552
On June 18 2017 07:07 ShAd_1337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:06 Soke wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/876196865766641664

This seems to be the offical bracket

If two players from the same group can't meet until the final, how can uThermal and Kelazhur be in the same quarter?


dh just don't care

Maybe that's just not a rule. It's probably best that it's not.
Djsoke
Soke
Profile Joined September 2012
United States790 Posts
June 17 2017 22:09 GMT
#553
FeelsBad for Stephano
Djsoke
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 17 2017 22:09 GMT
#554
I do believe some rigging occured but I don't blame them. For the sake of viewership avoid a ZvZ final
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 17 2017 22:09 GMT
#555
May as well just do a coinflip for the ZvZ matches and save a couple hours of time
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 17 2017 22:10 GMT
#556
looks like Special 4-2 Serral finals imo
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 22:11:42
June 17 2017 22:10 GMT
#557
On June 18 2017 06:57 Soke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 06:53 Kafka777 wrote:
PvZ is rather balanced now, its not the problem. You have only 4 good protoss players in the west namely Neeb, Showtime, Harstem and Ptitdrogo. 2 of them have been eliminated by terrans. The problem is with ZvT and PvT. There are no Terrans in the west that are really very highly skilled, nevertheless we could mention Major, Kelazhur, uThermal, Heromarine, Masa as being top tier. 2 of them didnt even bother to come. Major, Kelazhur and uThermal will wipe the floor and get another free win unless a miracle happens.

PvZ itself may be balanced, but the map pool is pretty good for zerg atm.


I'd argue that PvZ is currently slightly zerg favoured due to how good ling/bane/hydra is at the moment. But yeah the current WCS map pool is insanely zerg favoured (in PvZ that is. For TvZ it isn't too bad either way--terran has some very good maps like Blood Boil, but the median map seems a bit worse due to lack of drop space).
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 17 2017 22:11 GMT
#558
On June 18 2017 06:55 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 06:50 Fango wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:48 pvsnp wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:46 Solar424 wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:39 pvsnp wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:35 Fango wrote:
KR terran > KR toss > foreign zerg > KR zerg > foreign terran > foreign toss

is what im getting from this thread

Pretty much.

There is the special consideration that has to be given to the particular matchup of KR Terran vs Foreign Protoss/Zerg, which almost always results in the KR Terran delivering a laughably onesided curbstomp. This is due to the fact that the typical Foreign Terrans that Foreign Protoss/Zerg players practice with are far inferior to KR Terrans, meaning that Foreigners will always be unprepared and inexperienced against KR Terrans.

Peak Stephano and peak Scarlett especially were capable of making even the best Korean Terrans look silly.

Note that I said "almost always." There have been exceptions.

But no foreigner has ever been able to contest top KR Terrans with any level of consistency. A fluke here or a fluke there, sure, but that's the exception that proves the rule.


hey that one time scarlett rekt maru in some cup that was a big talking point. nerchio beat KR terrans in bo1s in one episode of shoutcraft etc.

and then there's wesg....

Here's a vod from 2013. Maru had just won the OSL after sweeping Innovation, who most people considered to be the best Terran in the world, in the semi finals. Scarlett just crushes him with Muta/Ling/Bane. Pretty much every ZvT she played back then was like this.


Yh that's the one. Problem is when you look at them overall Maru and Scarlett just aren't on the same level. Still shows that a foreigner in amazing form can beat koreans that aren't
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 17 2017 22:12 GMT
#559
On June 18 2017 07:10 Shellshock wrote:
looks like Special 4-2 Serral finals imo


tbh Special should have gone to the finals over Neeb at Austin. He was better in the macro game just needed to sort his defence vs adept allins.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 17 2017 22:14 GMT
#560
On June 18 2017 07:12 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:10 Shellshock wrote:
looks like Special 4-2 Serral finals imo


tbh Special should have gone to the finals over Neeb at Austin. He was better in the macro game just needed to sort his defence vs adept allins.

This plus I'm kind of eh on Neeb's recent showings. I mean maybe he'll play lights out the last day but he seems vulnerable right now. lower bracket seems like Special's for the taking
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