• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:12
CEST 05:12
KST 12:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon98Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Has online-only competition during the pandemic changed your enjoyment of pro SC2? How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week #92
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Remastered crash fix suggestions Syncronization issues and can't find games a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group D The Casual Games of the Week Thread Small VOD Thread 2.0 BWCL Season 65 Announcement
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9741 users

[WCS] Dreamhack Jönköping 2017 - Day 1 - Page 30

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 28 29 30 31 Next All
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
June 17 2017 22:35 GMT
#581
On June 18 2017 07:33 Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:16 Charoisaur wrote:
MajOr gets overhyped just because he's in korea. he isn't on the level of other top foreigners.

he will win tho

Ayyyyy Champion MajOr confirmed.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16089 Posts
June 17 2017 22:36 GMT
#582
On June 18 2017 07:33 Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:16 Charoisaur wrote:
MajOr gets overhyped just because he's in korea. he isn't on the level of other top foreigners.

he will win tho

not you?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
June 17 2017 22:37 GMT
#583
Would appear like a Serral/Elazer vs Major final.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
June 17 2017 22:40 GMT
#584
On June 18 2017 07:36 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:33 Scarlett` wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:16 Charoisaur wrote:
MajOr gets overhyped just because he's in korea. he isn't on the level of other top foreigners.

he will win tho

not you?

she got the polish bonjwa Ro4 Blizzcon in the next round so it doesnt look good
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
temporary1
Profile Joined February 2015
69 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 22:48:43
June 17 2017 22:42 GMT
#585
Looks like ZvT/TvZ/ZvZ final, after so many of top players gone. Gratz to Neeb and Drogo though, going that far with protoss is formidable.

Edit: Like Charoisaur pointed out, no TvT.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16089 Posts
June 17 2017 22:43 GMT
#586
On June 18 2017 07:42 temporary1 wrote:
Looks like ZvT/TvZ/TvT/ZvZ final, after so many of top players gone. Gratz to Neeb and Drogo though, going that far with p
protoss is formidable.

a tvt final isn't very likely..
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
June 17 2017 22:46 GMT
#587
I'm rooting for:
P: Drogo
Z: Stephano
T: MajOr, WinDy, Terran, Princess, Britney, Kitty, Memory, CuteAngel, NoNge, SpeCIal, shofu, Light, ilovealtaria, Mrjamvad, basedlordctc
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 17 2017 22:48 GMT
#588
Go Snute!
Go Scarlett!
Send Nerchio home!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
AshC
Profile Joined August 2016
United States328 Posts
June 17 2017 22:49 GMT
#589
On June 18 2017 07:46 Penev wrote:
I'm rooting for:
P: Drogo
Z: Stephano
T: MajOr, WinDy, Terran, Princess, Britney, Kitty, Memory, CuteAngel, NoNge, SpeCIal, shofu, Light, ilovealtaria, Mrjamvad, basedlordctc

LOL. The Major meme is real.

I root for Drogo, Elazer and Kelazhur.
temporary1
Profile Joined February 2015
69 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 22:51:00
June 17 2017 22:50 GMT
#590
On a second thought, Neeb is still likely finalist, even in the current state of the game.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 17 2017 22:52 GMT
#591
On June 18 2017 07:46 Penev wrote:
I'm rooting for:
P: Drogo
Z: Stephano
T: MajOr, WinDy, Terran, Princess, Britney, Kitty, Memory, CuteAngel, NoNge, SpeCIal, shofu, Light, ilovealtaria, Mrjamvad, basedlordctc

I like all these players
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 17 2017 22:53 GMT
#592
On June 18 2017 07:50 temporary1 wrote:
On a second thought, Neeb is still likely finalist, even in the current state of the game.


adepts find a way
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
temporary1
Profile Joined February 2015
69 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 23:04:55
June 17 2017 22:57 GMT
#593
On June 18 2017 07:53 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:50 temporary1 wrote:
On a second thought, Neeb is still likely finalist, even in the current state of the game.


adepts find a way


Edit: never mind. The game is what it is.
BigRedDog
Profile Joined May 2012
461 Posts
June 18 2017 01:36 GMT
#594
Where do I get an updates on which player won or lose?
Big Red Dog!
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-18 01:38:36
June 18 2017 01:37 GMT
#595
On June 18 2017 10:36 BigRedDog wrote:
Where do I get an updates on which player won or lose?

2017 WCS Jönköping
Faker is the GOAT!
BigRedDog
Profile Joined May 2012
461 Posts
June 18 2017 01:39 GMT
#596
On June 18 2017 10:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 10:36 BigRedDog wrote:
Where do I get an updates on which player won or lose?

2017 WCS Jönköping


Thanks. I just saw it. Lots of zerg players are winning =)
Big Red Dog!
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-18 02:10:03
June 18 2017 01:53 GMT
#597
On June 18 2017 06:28 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 06:25 Solar424 wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:21 DieuCure wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:17 Solar424 wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:15 DieuCure wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:13 Solar424 wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:11 DieuCure wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:10 Soke wrote:
7 Zergs guaranteed through because of 80% winrate in challenger/groupstage 1 and 2, 10 total through. Balance kinda made this guaranteed



Right, because Spacemarine and Hades are way better than Snute and Bly.



Ye because there is only good zerg in europe since WoL and bad terrans ?

Foreign Terrans have always been bad aside from a select few. Stop trying to pretend that Zerg is suddenly unbeatable.



Since WoL = suddenly ?

Zerg is easier that's why they are dominant in CN/NA/EU

I'd hardly say Zerg is dominant in China and NA. Masa won NA Challenger for Valencia, Neeb won WCS Austin, and iAsonu and Scarlett have the best players in their regions for years, so it's not because of balance. Zerg has struggled in Korea since LotV came out, and Blizzard is balancing around the highest skill level. There's not some magic feature in the game that makes foreign Protoss and Terran players worse, there just are less of them.


I'm not talking about one tournamente here, another there, i'm talking about overall.

Ye zerg is struggling so hard in Korea since LoTV came out that they was at the two first place in 2016.

3,
Dark won 1 SSL and 1 Cross Final, Solar won 1 SSL, Solar vs Dark in the second SSL and Cross Final
the other Cross final was won by Stats
1 GSL win for Byun
1 GSL win for Zest
IEM Gyeonggi won by Inno
so basically 3 Z wins, 2 P Wins, and 2 T wins
who the fuk said Zerg was struggling in Korea since LOTV

more like Z is struggling in 2017 based on how many Z wins there are: 0
Currently 2 P wins and 1 T Win (SSL Challenger doesn't count)
Faker is the GOAT!
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-18 02:10:09
June 18 2017 02:06 GMT
#598
On June 18 2017 10:53 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 06:28 DieuCure wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:25 Solar424 wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:21 DieuCure wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:17 Solar424 wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:15 DieuCure wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:13 Solar424 wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:11 DieuCure wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:10 Soke wrote:
7 Zergs guaranteed through because of 80% winrate in challenger/groupstage 1 and 2, 10 total through. Balance kinda made this guaranteed



Right, because Spacemarine and Hades are way better than Snute and Bly.



Ye because there is only good zerg in europe since WoL and bad terrans ?

Foreign Terrans have always been bad aside from a select few. Stop trying to pretend that Zerg is suddenly unbeatable.



Since WoL = suddenly ?

Zerg is easier that's why they are dominant in CN/NA/EU

I'd hardly say Zerg is dominant in China and NA. Masa won NA Challenger for Valencia, Neeb won WCS Austin, and iAsonu and Scarlett have the best players in their regions for years, so it's not because of balance. Zerg has struggled in Korea since LotV came out, and Blizzard is balancing around the highest skill level. There's not some magic feature in the game that makes foreign Protoss and Terran players worse, there just are less of them.


I'm not talking about one tournamente here, another there, i'm talking about overall.

Ye zerg is struggling so hard in Korea since LoTV came out that they was at the two first place in 2016.

3,
Dark won 1 SSL and 1 Cross Final, Solar won 1 SSL, Solar vs Dark in the second SSL and Cross Final
the other Cross final was won by Stats
1 GSL win for Byun
1 GSL win for Zest
IEM Gyeonggi won by Inno
so basically 3 Z wins, 2 P Wins, and 2 T wins
who the fuk said Zerg was struggling in Korea since LOTV


Firstly cross finals means nothing. And secondly I suggest you take a look at the WCS standings from 2016. 2 zergs in the top 16 korea. Solar and Dark were the only zergs relevent in any tournament for the whole year.....

2017 is an improvement with soO and byuL returning to form but still. The only zerg we talk about being ontop is soO. Compared with 5 or 6 terrans and 2 or 3 protosses.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-18 05:24:46
June 18 2017 02:13 GMT
#599
On June 18 2017 11:06 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 10:53 AzAlexZ wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:28 DieuCure wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:25 Solar424 wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:21 DieuCure wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:17 Solar424 wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:15 DieuCure wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:13 Solar424 wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:11 DieuCure wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:10 Soke wrote:
7 Zergs guaranteed through because of 80% winrate in challenger/groupstage 1 and 2, 10 total through. Balance kinda made this guaranteed



Right, because Spacemarine and Hades are way better than Snute and Bly.



Ye because there is only good zerg in europe since WoL and bad terrans ?

Foreign Terrans have always been bad aside from a select few. Stop trying to pretend that Zerg is suddenly unbeatable.



Since WoL = suddenly ?

Zerg is easier that's why they are dominant in CN/NA/EU

I'd hardly say Zerg is dominant in China and NA. Masa won NA Challenger for Valencia, Neeb won WCS Austin, and iAsonu and Scarlett have the best players in their regions for years, so it's not because of balance. Zerg has struggled in Korea since LotV came out, and Blizzard is balancing around the highest skill level. There's not some magic feature in the game that makes foreign Protoss and Terran players worse, there just are less of them.


I'm not talking about one tournamente here, another there, i'm talking about overall.

Ye zerg is struggling so hard in Korea since LoTV came out that they was at the two first place in 2016.

3,
Dark won 1 SSL and 1 Cross Final, Solar won 1 SSL, Solar vs Dark in the second SSL and Cross Final
the other Cross final was won by Stats
1 GSL win for Byun
1 GSL win for Zest
IEM Gyeonggi won by Inno
so basically 3 Z wins, 2 P Wins, and 2 T wins
who the fuk said Zerg was struggling in Korea since LOTV


Firstly cross finals means nothing. And secondly I suggest you take a look at the WCS standings from 2016. 2 zergs in the top 16 korea. Solar and Dark were the only zergs relevent in any tournament for the whole year.....

2017 is an improvement with soO and byuL returning to form but still. The only zerg we talk about being ontop is soO. Compared with 5 or 6 terrans and 2 or 3 protosses.

that's a stupid argument, those 2 top 16 zergs are also the 2 highest in points over anyone, Dark took so many points lol, most of the other P's and T's have like very low points
yet 1 of the only 2 Korean zergs and 1 of the only 2 Korean terrans in the Global finals made it all the way to the finals.
Zest won 1 GSL then fell in a major slump and almost no other Protoss picked up after him, sOs had a miracle run that meant nothing in the end cuz he got mauled by Byun in the finals and Stats hasn't reached god-like levels like he did in 2017 yet.
out of the Top 16 in Korea only Byun, TY, Zest (in early 2016), Stats, Dark and Solar were relevant, they were the only ones 'doing well' in Korea and that's why they are the top in Korea, no one performed close to them.
Out of the 6 that I have listed all 6 of them were in the finals of one premier tournament before Blizzcon and 5 of them won a Starleague or Crossfinal
TY was a GSL finalist, Dark and Solar won SSL, Stats and Dark won Cross Final, Zest and Byun won GSL.
Faker is the GOAT!
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-18 02:26:06
June 18 2017 02:25 GMT
#600
On another note, Go Neeb!!!!!!!!!
Faker is the GOAT!
Prev 1 28 29 30 31 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
ISSL Monthly #1 - Day 1
CranKy Ducklings127
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
22:00
Masters Cup #151
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 147
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 6779
GuemChi 2624
Shuttle 578
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm187
PGG 80
febbydoto22
Counter-Strike
taco 476
Other Games
summit1g10966
C9.Mang0342
PiGStarcraft337
WinterStarcraft282
XaKoH 200
Livibee125
ViBE61
Mew2King45
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2065
BasetradeTV21
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• EnkiAlexander 80
• Letter145
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki15
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1000
• Lourlo538
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
7h 48m
herO vs SHIN
Percival vs ByuN
RotterdaM Event
13h 3m
Replay Cast
20h 48m
GSL
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
GSL
2 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
2 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Light vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.