On June 18 2017 06:10 Soke wrote: 7 Zergs guaranteed through because of 80% winrate in challenger/groupstage 1 and 2, 10 total through. Balance kinda made this guaranteed
Right, because Spacemarine and Hades are way better than Snute and Bly.
Ye because there is only good zerg in europe since WoL and bad terrans ?
Foreign Terrans have always been bad aside from a select few. Stop trying to pretend that Zerg is suddenly unbeatable.
Since WoL = suddenly ?
Zerg is easier that's why they are dominant in CN/NA/EU
Zerg is easier for foreigners but harder for koreans (since they underperform in korea)?
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the idea is zerg is easier to play but has a lower skill cap. At the top level zerg doesn't win but at lower levels it's dominant
I call bullshit on that. Peak Life, peak Dark or peak soO have all shown that the skill cap for Zerg is incredibly high
Yes , we dont say there is no skill cap as zerg, but it's easier to reach a certain lvl.
On June 18 2017 06:40 Fango wrote: in LoTV korean zerg has been awful, especially this year. soO seems to play perfect and that's it, vs like 5 or 6 top terrans
None of the top Terrans are perfect either. TY is weak against top Zergs, Inno is weak against top Terrans, Maru and ByuN haven't won any tournaments so far this year, aLive+Gumiho have great TvT but lesser TvP/TvZ.
This is true for every top player: Stats is weak against Protoss, Classic against Zerg, soO against Terran, Dark against Zerg, etc, etc.
There is the special consideration that has to be given to the particular matchup of KR Terran vs Foreign Protoss/Zerg, which almost always results in the KR Terran delivering a laughably onesided curbstomp. This is due to the fact that the typical Foreign Terrans that Foreign Protoss/Zerg players practice with are far inferior to KR Terrans, meaning that Foreigners will always be unprepared and inexperienced against KR Terrans.
Peak Stephano and peak Scarlett especially were capable of making even the best Korean Terrans look silly.
On June 18 2017 06:40 Fango wrote: in LoTV korean zerg has been awful, especially this year. soO seems to play perfect and that's it, vs like 5 or 6 top terrans
None of the top Terrans are perfect either. TY is weak against top Zergs, Inno is weak against top Terrans, Maru and ByuN haven't won any tournaments so far this year, aLive+Gumiho have great TvT but lesser TvP/TvZ.
This is true for every top player: Stats is weak against Protoss, Classic against Zerg, soO against Terran, Dark against Zerg, etc, etc.
The situation in Korea is basically inverse the situation outside of Korea. In Korea, there are a few AMAZING zergs which can be competitive at the very top, and then there's a lot of Terrans and Tosses, ranging from good to great. Outside of Korea, there are some REALLY good non-zergs at the very top (Neeb, Showtime, uThermal, Special, etc.) and then there's a big dropoff.
On June 18 2017 06:10 Soke wrote: 7 Zergs guaranteed through because of 80% winrate in challenger/groupstage 1 and 2, 10 total through. Balance kinda made this guaranteed
Right, because Spacemarine and Hades are way better than Snute and Bly.
Ye because there is only good zerg in europe since WoL and bad terrans ?
Foreign Terrans have always been bad aside from a select few. Stop trying to pretend that Zerg is suddenly unbeatable.
Since WoL = suddenly ?
Zerg is easier that's why they are dominant in CN/NA/EU
Zerg is easier for foreigners but harder for koreans (since they underperform in korea)?
???????????
the idea is zerg is easier to play but has a lower skill cap. At the top level zerg doesn't win but at lower levels it's dominant
I call bullshit on that. Peak Life, peak Dark or peak soO have all shown that the skill cap for Zerg is incredibly high
Yes , we dont say there is no skill cap as zerg, but it's easier to reach a certain lvl.
To be honest if you can't kite slow banes with stimmed marines (that's what Inno does here, just in case), you really have no business being in running for a pro player imho.
There is the special consideration that has to be given to the particular matchup of KR Terran vs Foreign Protoss/Zerg, which almost always results in the KR Terran delivering a laughably onesided curbstomp. This is due to the fact that the typical Foreign Terrans that Foreign Protoss/Zerg players practice with are far inferior to KR Terrans, meaning that Foreigners will always be unprepared and inexperienced against KR Terrans.
Peak Stephano and peak Scarlett especially were capable of making even the best Korean Terrans look silly.
Note that I said "almost always." There have been exceptions.
But no foreigner has ever been able to contest top KR Terrans with any level of consistency. A fluke here or a fluke there, sure, but that's the exception that proves the rule. Also, "silly" is overstating it. Loss, yes.
On June 18 2017 06:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Man, what happened to Showtime? Can't even blame it on the maps since they're actually pretty balanced in TvP.
You never know where you're gonna be when the slump hits you
On June 18 2017 06:40 Fango wrote: in LoTV korean zerg has been awful, especially this year. soO seems to play perfect and that's it, vs like 5 or 6 top terrans
None of the top Terrans are perfect either. TY is weak against top Zergs, Inno is weak against top Terrans, Maru and ByuN haven't won any tournaments so far this year, aLive+Gumiho have great TvT but lesser TvP/TvZ.
This is true for every top player: Stats is weak against Protoss, Classic against Zerg, soO against Terran, Dark against Zerg, etc, etc.
I don't been perfect like 100% winrate, only a few players have ever reached that level. I'm talking about which players have a good chance at winning a cup. soO is the only zerg I can see doing it right now (maybe Dark is guess but he's been lacking results). Inno, TY, maru, byun, alive, gumiho could all win a cup and no one would be suprised
There is the special consideration that has to be given to the particular matchup of KR Terran vs Foreign Protoss/Zerg, which almost always results in the KR Terran delivering a laughably onesided curbstomp. This is due to the fact that the typical Foreign Terrans that Foreign Protoss/Zerg players practice with are far inferior to KR Terrans, meaning that Foreigners will always be unprepared and inexperienced against KR Terrans.
Peak Stephano and peak Scarlett especially were capable of making even the best Korean Terrans look silly.
look silly is an exaggeration, they could maybe go toe to toe with them but rarely did the KR terrans look outclassed
On June 18 2017 06:43 Fango wrote: cure's fan does raise a good point. at lower-mid level zerg is easily better than terran and it's easier to win. at top level it's a lot harder. lingbane being a good example, even the best zergs will barely win with LB vs maru inno etc
Wouldn't that be a case of Terran rewarding skill more than Zerg, rather than Zerg being easier?
There is the special consideration that has to be given to the particular matchup of KR Terran vs Foreign Protoss/Zerg, which almost always results in the KR Terran delivering a laughably onesided curbstomp. This is due to the fact that the typical Foreign Terrans that Foreign Protoss/Zerg players practice with are far inferior to KR Terrans, meaning that Foreigners will always be unprepared and inexperienced against KR Terrans.
Peak Stephano and peak Scarlett especially were capable of making even the best Korean Terrans look silly.
Note that I said "almost always." There have been exceptions.
But no foreigner has ever been able to contest top KR Terrans with any level of consistency. A fluke here or a fluke there, sure, but that's the exception that proves the rule.
hey that one time scarlett rekt maru in some cup that was a big talking point. nerchio beat KR terrans in bo1s in one episode of shoutcraft etc.
On June 18 2017 06:40 Fango wrote: in LoTV korean zerg has been awful, especially this year. soO seems to play perfect and that's it, vs like 5 or 6 top terrans
None of the top Terrans are perfect either. TY is weak against top Zergs, Inno is weak against top Terrans, Maru and ByuN haven't won any tournaments so far this year, aLive+Gumiho have great TvT but lesser TvP/TvZ.
This is true for every top player: Stats is weak against Protoss, Classic against Zerg, soO against Terran, Dark against Zerg, etc, etc.
Only Cure is perfect against all races.
I agree but Cure isnt a random top player like Classic is, he is the GOAT
the ZvZs could go either way. Neeb should beat sortof but his PvZ is questionable. neeb should be the only contest to major getting the final. assuming kela's TvT is as shaky as earlier
EPT
