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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
December 29 2014 19:23 GMT
#961
Last night I almost traded Symbol for losira and went "no way in hell losira beats flash, nevermind"

I'm so mad right now
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 20:35:42
December 29 2014 19:31 GMT
#962
On December 29 2014 23:36 Clonester wrote:
Flash is Patchterran. Zest slumps. And a team with only 4 core player will not succed this year. You need the rotation to buffer slumps and weaknesses.

Obvious troll is obvious

in 2014 PL he is one of the players with most wins, more wins then most protoss in PL had and that in a period where only protoss won tournaments.
Btw since today Maru lost twice as many games as Flash did, does it makes him twice as bad?
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
December 29 2014 19:37 GMT
#963
On December 29 2014 23:43 Shuffleblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 23:20 Rollora wrote:
On December 29 2014 23:13 mijagi182 wrote:
On December 29 2014 23:11 Rollora wrote:
PvP, who has the better cheese, (not who is the better player)?

And that is why the matchup is so annoying


dat KeSPA tears

I don't even really know what KeSPA is or what it has to do with me not liking PvP or better me hating cheese, no matter the matchup.
Its legit as a game strat, ok, but I don't like it. It gives lesser players a chance to compete, to suprprise, to upset. Which may be exciting for some.
To me its exciting when the better player overall wins. You can now argue that using the right build in the right time is also showing you are a "better" player, but you know, I mean it in a "clean", macro way of things

You are entitled to your own opinion and I can't say I enjoy "cheese" much myself but if you think the players you like are "better" player you are just fooling yourself. Your arguement is pretty much as saying that dunks in basketball isn't really fair, I don't like them I think only three pointers should count and strategize for dunks is just for poor players or poor teams. Its just your opinion nothing else, macro is just one part of sc2.

To be even more frank though cheese never succeeds (with proper defence) if the players play safe, you know what that means. That means that the "macro" players you like so much are pretty much being greedy (mild version macro cheese) to play macro so well.

If they really were macro gods, they would open safe knowing that they would be able to defend cheese and then play into the mid-late game without being overly risky greedy. They don't do that, they say "hey I'm not sure I can win against you in a total even macro game so I'm going to be overly greedy and then hopefully I can win a macro game".

Winning a macro game when going into the mid game in a very advantegous economical position is hardly being "the best macro player".

I didn't mean it that way.
You can still lose to cheese if scouted, besides it can be hidden so it can NOT be scouted (you can't look everywhere).
Its not that I favor someone, it was clearly a prepared sniper build, from a player that didn't play in normal matchups.
I am not judging from one game, so give the guy a chance. I would like to see a BO5 or 7 between the 2, with cheeses, doesn't matter. I don't see pulling off one win via cheese is a good benchmark wether a player is better then the other.

I wouldn't mind every once in a while some cheese mixed in. But in PvP its almost every game, and its boring now. Relying to win a game only based on your opponent not scouting/being caught off guard is just lame in my eyes, but it's, as pointed out - a legit strat.

Besides, I had no favorites. I don't really care about PvP and since I am just recovering from the boredom of almost a year protoss dominance, that won't change in the next few months. Also I never liked PvP even before, since its volatile, lasers and just boring to me.
Mambo
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark1338 Posts
December 29 2014 19:46 GMT
#964
Why is it that they upload the matches in random order. It is really anoying.
Boxer | MVP | Taeja | TLO | Grubby | Bunny (danish)
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 21:36:16
December 29 2014 20:01 GMT
#965
Already sorted:

(note that for G4 and 5 there are links provided, but that doesn't mean that there were G4 or 5 played. Don't hate on me when you get Rick-Rolled (or get another great music recommendation)

Jin Air vs SKT
Game 1
Game 2
Game 3
Game 4
Game 5
Winners Interview

KT vs MPV
Game 1
Game 2
Game 3
Game 4
Game 5
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
December 29 2014 22:30 GMT
#966
KT what are you doing your drunk just call a cab.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
December 29 2014 22:35 GMT
#967
SKT vs Jin air = +11 points. Literally couldn't have got more points with my lineup.
KT vs MVP = -7 points. Literally couldn't have got less points with my lineup.
SackOfWetMice
Profile Joined October 2014
United States288 Posts
December 29 2014 23:12 GMT
#968
On December 29 2014 17:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:
KT with an easy 3:0 imo. MVP is mediocre

Hahahahahaha

On December 29 2014 23:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Guess that Sackofdeadmice guy was right about KT :x

huh

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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19400 Posts
December 29 2014 23:45 GMT
#969
0-2 and everyone should still fear kt. They have the strongest coaches in PL. Even with a bad round 1, they cannot be counted out.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
wUndertUnge
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1126 Posts
December 30 2014 00:09 GMT
#970
On December 30 2014 04:22 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 03:52 wUndertUnge wrote:
are there any VODs?

Spoiler-free list either in the OP or here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/119948-small-sc2-vod-thread?page=32#627

If you don't care about spoilers
https://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=1


Thank you, but I don't think they're listed in the OP...unless they just hadn't been posted yet. Anyways, I'll find what I need from your links
Clan: QQGC - wundertunge#1850
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 30 2014 00:40 GMT
#971
On December 30 2014 08:45 BisuDagger wrote:
0-2 and everyone should still fear kt. They have the strongest coaches in PL. Even with a bad round 1, they cannot be counted out.


Plenty of rounds left, KT will be fine. Slumps don't last all year.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 30 2014 02:01 GMT
#972
so glad that they played electric romeo
can i get my estro logo back pls
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 30 2014 02:29 GMT
#973
On December 30 2014 09:40 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 08:45 BisuDagger wrote:
0-2 and everyone should still fear kt. They have the strongest coaches in PL. Even with a bad round 1, they cannot be counted out.


Plenty of rounds left, KT will be fine. Slumps don't last all year.

Dear, Soulkey, Prime....
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 30 2014 02:34 GMT
#974
On December 30 2014 11:29 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 09:40 Phredxor wrote:
On December 30 2014 08:45 BisuDagger wrote:
0-2 and everyone should still fear kt. They have the strongest coaches in PL. Even with a bad round 1, they cannot be counted out.


Plenty of rounds left, KT will be fine. Slumps don't last all year.

Dear, Soulkey, Prime....


Dear went to foreign team, RIP. We'll see how he goes now he's back in KeSPA. Prime isn't slumping, they're just bad. SK you might have a point.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
December 30 2014 03:37 GMT
#975
On December 30 2014 08:45 BisuDagger wrote:
0-2 and everyone should still fear kt. They have the strongest coaches in PL. Even with a bad round 1, they cannot be counted out.

....KT is dead, let the kings of starcraft rise!

JIN AIR BITCHES
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
December 30 2014 03:37 GMT
#976
On December 30 2014 11:29 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 09:40 Phredxor wrote:
On December 30 2014 08:45 BisuDagger wrote:
0-2 and everyone should still fear kt. They have the strongest coaches in PL. Even with a bad round 1, they cannot be counted out.


Plenty of rounds left, KT will be fine. Slumps don't last all year.

Dear, Soulkey, Prime....

DongRaeGu, HuK, Scarlett
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 30 2014 03:54 GMT
#977
On December 30 2014 12:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 11:29 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On December 30 2014 09:40 Phredxor wrote:
On December 30 2014 08:45 BisuDagger wrote:
0-2 and everyone should still fear kt. They have the strongest coaches in PL. Even with a bad round 1, they cannot be counted out.


Plenty of rounds left, KT will be fine. Slumps don't last all year.

Dear, Soulkey, Prime....

DongRaeGu, HuK, Scarlett


I can't tell what your trying to imply, all of those people have slumped in the last year.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19400 Posts
December 30 2014 04:20 GMT
#978
On December 30 2014 12:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 08:45 BisuDagger wrote:
0-2 and everyone should still fear kt. They have the strongest coaches in PL. Even with a bad round 1, they cannot be counted out.

....KT is dead, let the kings of starcraft rise!

JIN AIR BITCHES

Jin Air lost their match lol.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 04:44:23
December 30 2014 04:40 GMT
#979
On December 30 2014 12:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 12:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:29 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On December 30 2014 09:40 Phredxor wrote:
On December 30 2014 08:45 BisuDagger wrote:
0-2 and everyone should still fear kt. They have the strongest coaches in PL. Even with a bad round 1, they cannot be counted out.


Plenty of rounds left, KT will be fine. Slumps don't last all year.

Dear, Soulkey, Prime....

DongRaeGu, HuK, Scarlett


I can't tell what your trying to imply, all of those people have slumped in the last year.


DRG did fine. ro8 finish in code S, won a RedBull tournament and he held on to code S for all of 2014. Given how he looked to be on his way out for most of HotS in 2013 I'd say 2014 was an improvement.

Can't understand why people think Soulkey is slumping either. No shame in going 0-3 against Rogue. It's ZvZ and Rogue has been on the rise as a Zerg titan for over a year. Soulkey is also still in gsl.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 30 2014 04:55 GMT
#980
On December 30 2014 13:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 12:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On December 30 2014 12:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:29 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On December 30 2014 09:40 Phredxor wrote:
On December 30 2014 08:45 BisuDagger wrote:
0-2 and everyone should still fear kt. They have the strongest coaches in PL. Even with a bad round 1, they cannot be counted out.


Plenty of rounds left, KT will be fine. Slumps don't last all year.

Dear, Soulkey, Prime....

DongRaeGu, HuK, Scarlett


I can't tell what your trying to imply, all of those people have slumped in the last year.


DRG did fine. ro8 finish in code S, won a RedBull tournament and he held on to code S for all of 2014. Given how he looked to be on his way out for most of HotS in 2013 I'd say 2014 was an improvement.

Can't understand why people think Soulkey is slumping either. No shame in going 0-3 against Rogue. It's ZvZ and Rogue has been on the rise as a Zerg titan for over a year. Soulkey is also still in gsl.

soulkey had an extremely lackluster 2014 is the point i'm trying to make, moreso with dear.
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