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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 24 2014 21:08 GMT
#581
PvP is the best mirror by far
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
September 24 2014 21:09 GMT
#582
On September 25 2014 06:08 Yorkie wrote:
PvP is the best mirror by far

DLO?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
September 24 2014 21:10 GMT
#583
On September 25 2014 06:05 JoeCool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 06:03 mikumegurine wrote:
Magic costs a ton of $$$

Hearthstone is free hmmm...


A ton? Magic was the cheapest hobby I've ever had (about 8 years ago). Even as a pupil you were able to afford it... I tried WH40K last year, that costs a ton of $$$. Now I'm playing paintball...


Man you've chosen expensive hobbies xD
In Somnis Veritas
xyzz
Profile Joined January 2012
567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-24 21:12:03
September 24 2014 21:10 GMT
#584
On September 25 2014 05:59 Pursuit_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 05:58 Darkhorse wrote:
On September 25 2014 05:55 xyzz wrote:
On September 25 2014 05:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
On September 25 2014 05:49 JoeCool wrote:
Wow 70.600 viewers for Hearthstone. O_o

Not bad. Don't really get the appeal of it as an eSport but Blizzard are on to a winner with that.

Calling that game an e-sport is an affront to gaming. The skill cap is so abysmally low that the game plays itself. The design team even says as much in the interviews: The choices the players have during games is an illusion, and that makes it attractive to players of all (and non-existent) interest and skill levels. Anyway I rather talk about Starcraft, where real skill exists, despite the poor state of balance.

But only Terrans have real skill in SC2

True Story. Zerg and Protoss play the SC2 equivalent of Hearthstone.

Here's an idea for you. If you played PvP against someone and all your units had 1/1/1 upgrades built into their statline, you'd have an inherent advantage in every game because you'd trade so much more efficiently. You could still lose a lot of games against good players. You'd even lose a lot of three game series and get eliminated from tournaments simply because of variance and build order losses. That said, you'd also beat a lot of players who are better than you, or played better than you, simply because of the built-in advantage that you enjoyed.

What I said may sound obvious, but these sort of advantages exist for all races from time to time and seem to go in cycles, and there's no need for us to not act like they aren't there. Terran at the moment are playing the +1 race.

I suppose the negative reaction to someone voicing this fact is that noone likes to be told their wins are tainted. It's in our nature to think we're skilled in what we do, and that's coincidentally the way Hearthstone has been designed. Everyone who plays it and gets win streaks will think that it's because he's playing so well, when it has nothing to do with it at all. In Starcraft the situation isn't nearly as dire, but the differences are emphasised at the pro level where everyone are so good. Any (unfair) advantage might be enough to tip the scales heavily in your favour. It won't be enough for a scrub to beat a veteran, but it will be enough for a pro to win tournaments against other pros who thought they were well prepared and more skilled.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 24 2014 21:10 GMT
#585
Stardust please holdddddddd
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States766 Posts
September 24 2014 21:11 GMT
#586
how quickly are vods uploaded?
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
September 24 2014 21:12 GMT
#587
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
 
0%

★★★- Good game (3)
 
50%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
 
33%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
 
17%

6 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
50%

★★★- Good game (2)
 
50%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season

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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 24 2014 21:12 GMT
#588
BOSS TOSS
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 24 2014 21:12 GMT
#589
3rd best player in the world vs 8th? EZ win for MC
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 24 2014 21:12 GMT
#590
Damnit. 2 base best base
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
September 24 2014 21:12 GMT
#591
Typical MC :D
I Protoss winner, could it be?
kasor
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada94 Posts
September 24 2014 21:13 GMT
#592
YESSSSS BOSSS TOSSS !
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
September 24 2014 21:13 GMT
#593
aw man come on Stardust :/
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 24 2014 21:13 GMT
#594
Group draw please
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
September 24 2014 21:13 GMT
#595
OK now Shawn be nice with ForGG please.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
dark1882
Profile Joined October 2012
Ireland529 Posts
September 24 2014 21:14 GMT
#596
YAY BOSSTOSS DOING WORK
forge fast expand or die trying~Naniwa
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 24 2014 21:14 GMT
#597
On September 25 2014 06:13 Yorkie wrote:
Group draw please

Bracket draw you mean?
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 24 2014 21:14 GMT
#598
Wish Stardust had won though D:
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 24 2014 21:14 GMT
#599
On September 25 2014 06:14 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 06:13 Yorkie wrote:
Group draw please

Bracket draw you mean?

ro8 draw. Hater
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
September 24 2014 21:14 GMT
#600
I think MC should choose the brackets.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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