• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:19
CET 11:19
KST 19:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation13Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
What happened to TvZ on Retro? FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread About SC2SEA.COM Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2262 users

[Red Bull BG] Washington - Day 2 - Page 24

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 126 Next
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
September 21 2014 16:29 GMT
#461
Wow, CC first? Bomber has balls
Community Newsjjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji nshoseo.jpg
GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
711 Posts
September 21 2014 16:29 GMT
#462
On September 22 2014 01:16 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago?

When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight.

Every Premiere Tournament..

Then it will be equivalent.


Has that happened?


No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was


era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG.

In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora.

Worse than it actually was? I dunno


just checked the asus lineup, i disagree on it being weak.
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
September 21 2014 16:29 GMT
#463
On September 22 2014 01:29 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:27 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:26 jakethesnake wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:24 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:23 TheDwf wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:21 pigmanbear wrote:
Toss dominance has to consider that most of Kespa chose Protoss. Look at the racial composition of the Kespa cup. So, you have most of the best players using one race and it's going to make Protoss look OP.

Yes, meanwhile Terran and Zergs only received scrubs like Bogus, Flash, Soulkey, soO, Jaedong!

Numbers are numbers. Most of Kespa went to Protoss. So naming random players means nothing.

Ahh, the magic 'KEEESPA' justification. thats a solid argument.... or not

Math is for nerds, LOL

Are you making fun of nerds on a website dedicated to pro gaming? You are a funny man

It seems sarcasm is for nerds also.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
September 21 2014 16:29 GMT
#464
On September 22 2014 01:29 stuchiu wrote:
Jin Air: 2 P 2 T 1 Z
SKT: 4 P 3 Z 3 T
KT: 3 P 3 T 2 Z
CJ: 4 P 3 T 1 z
Khan: 3 P 5 Z 3 T

Total: 16 P 12 Z 14 T

MY GOD SO MANY MORE PROTOSS PLAYERS THAN TERRAN IN KESPA???


IMBA IMBA IMBA
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45051 Posts
September 21 2014 16:29 GMT
#465
On September 22 2014 01:28 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:11 Varroth wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago?

When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight.

Every Premiere Tournament..

Then it will be equivalent.



Thing is protoss didn't do that...


But Terran pretty much did that back in WoL lol, although they weren't called Premier back then... just GomTvT ^^

lol smh http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments. All of you guys are wrong. Protoss didn't win every primier tournament for 6 months. Neither did terran. For that matter neither did zerg.


You must not have been around during WoL's Terran and then Zerg dominance. Also, WoL tourneys weren't called Premier, because WCS was newer.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Wasaru
Profile Joined September 2014
United States91 Posts
September 21 2014 16:30 GMT
#466
On September 22 2014 01:26 Morphage wrote:
lol people complaining about Terran...seriously?



Yea, it's pretty laughable to be honest. August was the first month in a year in which Terran had the highest winrate, and we have people crying Terran OP. These amateur tourns don't mean much anyway. Let's see if Terran can finally win a GSL!
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 21 2014 16:30 GMT
#467
On September 22 2014 01:29 stuchiu wrote:
Jin Air: 2 P 2 T 1 Z
SKT: 4 P 3 Z 3 T
KT: 3 P 3 T 2 Z
CJ: 4 P 3 T 1 z
Khan: 3 P 5 Z 3 T

Total: 16 P 12 Z 14 T

MY GOD SO MANY MORE PROTOSS PLAYERS THAN TERRAN IN KESPA???


Oh wait sorry, I guess we should count players that left.

So Hyun, Jaedong, Sacsri, Impact and Journey.

16 P 16 Z 15 T
Moderator
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 21 2014 16:30 GMT
#468
On September 22 2014 01:28 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:28 Yorkie wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:24 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:23 TheDwf wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:21 pigmanbear wrote:
Toss dominance has to consider that most of Kespa chose Protoss. Look at the racial composition of the Kespa cup. So, you have most of the best players using one race and it's going to make Protoss look OP.

Yes, meanwhile Terran and Zergs only received scrubs like Bogus, Flash, Soulkey, soO, Jaedong!

Numbers are numbers. Most of Kespa went to Protoss. So naming random players means nothing.

"Most of Kespa" did not go protoss rofl. Do you even math?

Yea, totally: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/KeSPA_Cup

Holy shit please tell me you're joking. Kespa cup does not equal Kespa as a whole. it indicates the portion of players (SOME KESPA SOME NOT) that qualified for this tournament. If anything, this is an argument for protoss being too strong.
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 21 2014 16:30 GMT
#469
Classic Bomber, blind CC rax gas.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 21 2014 16:30 GMT
#470
On September 22 2014 01:29 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:29 Yorkie wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:27 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:26 jakethesnake wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:24 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:23 TheDwf wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:21 pigmanbear wrote:
Toss dominance has to consider that most of Kespa chose Protoss. Look at the racial composition of the Kespa cup. So, you have most of the best players using one race and it's going to make Protoss look OP.

Yes, meanwhile Terran and Zergs only received scrubs like Bogus, Flash, Soulkey, soO, Jaedong!

Numbers are numbers. Most of Kespa went to Protoss. So naming random players means nothing.

Ahh, the magic 'KEEESPA' justification. thats a solid argument.... or not

Math is for nerds, LOL

Are you making fun of nerds on a website dedicated to pro gaming? You are a funny man

It seems sarcasm is for nerds also.

+ Show Spoiler [just this] +
[image loading]
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
September 21 2014 16:30 GMT
#471
On September 22 2014 01:30 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:28 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:28 Yorkie wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:24 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:23 TheDwf wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:21 pigmanbear wrote:
Toss dominance has to consider that most of Kespa chose Protoss. Look at the racial composition of the Kespa cup. So, you have most of the best players using one race and it's going to make Protoss look OP.

Yes, meanwhile Terran and Zergs only received scrubs like Bogus, Flash, Soulkey, soO, Jaedong!

Numbers are numbers. Most of Kespa went to Protoss. So naming random players means nothing.

"Most of Kespa" did not go protoss rofl. Do you even math?

Yea, totally: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/KeSPA_Cup

Holy shit please tell me you're joking. Kespa cup does not equal Kespa as a whole. it indicates the portion of players (SOME KESPA SOME NOT) that qualified for this tournament. If anything, this is an argument for protoss being too strong.

The strongest Kespa players chose Protoss and I'll stand by that.
Varroth
Profile Joined April 2014
Sweden471 Posts
September 21 2014 16:31 GMT
#472
On September 22 2014 01:18 Jazzman88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:16 stuchiu wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago?

When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight.

Every Premiere Tournament..

Then it will be equivalent.


Has that happened?


No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was


era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG.

In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora.

Worse than it actually was? I dunno


Yeah, it was pretty bad. Problem was that it was SO skewed that now everyone's used to it being Protoss on top so that any deviation from Protoss outright winning 67% of championships and placing second or third in all the rest is considered poor and indicative of something wrong.



Or...Or... Something is actually wrong and what you're saying is bullshit. Although what I'm saying may be bullshit aswell.
Top10 favorite players: 1. Jaedong 2. Naniwa 3. Maru 4. ThorZaIN 5. Taeja 6. HerO 7. MC 8. Hyun 9. Soulkey 10. herO
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
September 21 2014 16:31 GMT
#473
On September 22 2014 01:30 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:28 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:28 Yorkie wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:24 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:23 TheDwf wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:21 pigmanbear wrote:
Toss dominance has to consider that most of Kespa chose Protoss. Look at the racial composition of the Kespa cup. So, you have most of the best players using one race and it's going to make Protoss look OP.

Yes, meanwhile Terran and Zergs only received scrubs like Bogus, Flash, Soulkey, soO, Jaedong!

Numbers are numbers. Most of Kespa went to Protoss. So naming random players means nothing.

"Most of Kespa" did not go protoss rofl. Do you even math?

Yea, totally: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/KeSPA_Cup

Holy shit please tell me you're joking. Kespa cup does not equal Kespa as a whole. it indicates the portion of players (SOME KESPA SOME NOT) that qualified for this tournament. If anything, this is an argument for protoss being too strong.


They also qualified like 3 months before the tournament took place
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
September 21 2014 16:32 GMT
#474
Bomber needs to get on the repairs there.
Community Newsjjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji nshoseo.jpg
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24236 Posts
September 21 2014 16:32 GMT
#475
Ha ha why would you waste a scan Nice hold overall by Bomber.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 21 2014 16:32 GMT
#476
remember that game on Akilon when Bomber killed his natural CC?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
September 21 2014 16:32 GMT
#477
Thank you for repairing!
The Bomber boy
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
September 21 2014 16:32 GMT
#478
I want bomber to win this and show that it is possible to CC first
Community Newsjjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji nshoseo.jpg
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 16:33:25
September 21 2014 16:33 GMT
#479
On September 22 2014 01:30 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:30 Yorkie wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:28 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:28 Yorkie wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:24 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:23 TheDwf wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:21 pigmanbear wrote:
Toss dominance has to consider that most of Kespa chose Protoss. Look at the racial composition of the Kespa cup. So, you have most of the best players using one race and it's going to make Protoss look OP.

Yes, meanwhile Terran and Zergs only received scrubs like Bogus, Flash, Soulkey, soO, Jaedong!

Numbers are numbers. Most of Kespa went to Protoss. So naming random players means nothing.

"Most of Kespa" did not go protoss rofl. Do you even math?

Yea, totally: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/KeSPA_Cup

Holy shit please tell me you're joking. Kespa cup does not equal Kespa as a whole. it indicates the portion of players (SOME KESPA SOME NOT) that qualified for this tournament. If anything, this is an argument for protoss being too strong.

The strongest Kespa players chose Protoss and I'll stand by that.

Almost all of the Kespa players chose the race they played in brood war...only Classic switched to Protoss and had a huge increase in success...Are you saying the Brood War protoss players were better than the terranes and zeros all along?
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
September 21 2014 16:34 GMT
#480
On September 22 2014 01:31 Varroth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 01:18 Jazzman88 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:16 stuchiu wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:12 Varroth wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:11 Mozdk wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:10 r691175002 wrote:
On September 22 2014 01:09 Varroth wrote:
Sooo...When will it be acceptable to say terran op as everyone said ''toss op'' 1-2 months ago?

When Terran wins every single premiere tournament for 6 months straight.

Every Premiere Tournament..

Then it will be equivalent.


Has that happened?


No it hasn't they just want the ''era of toss'' seem worse than it actually was


era of Toss goes from Dear winning his season finals to Trap winning MLG.

In that time there were 24 Premier Tournaments. Among those 24, Protoss won 16. Among the 8 they didn't win, Taeja won 4, Jaedong won a weak Asus, Life won a weak Bucharest, Hyun beat Oz and Soulkey won against Sora.

Worse than it actually was? I dunno


Yeah, it was pretty bad. Problem was that it was SO skewed that now everyone's used to it being Protoss on top so that any deviation from Protoss outright winning 67% of championships and placing second or third in all the rest is considered poor and indicative of something wrong.



Or...Or... Something is actually wrong and what you're saying is bullshit. Although what I'm saying may be bullshit aswell.


I welcome that possibility as well, but the reverse 'you're OP now that I'm not' thing that ALWAYS happens grows tiresome.
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 126 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 41m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech54
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38241
Calm 5319
Sea 4876
Shuttle 868
Jaedong 807
Larva 474
Pusan 250
EffOrt 215
Soma 205
ZerO 205
[ Show more ]
Zeus 193
Killer 189
Rush 189
Light 146
Stork 119
Mind 62
ToSsGirL 44
yabsab 26
Hm[arnc] 15
ivOry 6
Noble 6
Dota 2
XaKoH 451
XcaliburYe89
febbydoto12
League of Legends
Reynor97
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1265
shoxiejesuss658
zeus217
allub75
Other Games
summit1g16992
ceh9507
Fuzer 278
crisheroes218
rGuardiaN154
Pyrionflax92
Dewaltoss19
ZerO(Twitch)10
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream5075
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream4819
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 89
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH236
• LUISG 33
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt599
• HappyZerGling145
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
1h 41m
Monday Night Weeklies
6h 41m
Replay Cast
12h 41m
ChoboTeamLeague
14h 41m
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 1h
BSL: GosuLeague
1d 10h
The PondCast
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Reynor
Maru vs SHIN
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
IPSL
6 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.