• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:32
CET 01:32
KST 09:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy5ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises0Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool42Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block
Tourneys
World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Soulkey's decision to leave C9 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ JaeDong's form before ASL [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos
Tourneys
ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group A [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
U4GM Tips Counter Enemy Gadgets Fast in Black Ops rsvsr How to Keep Reward Chains Rolling in Monopol u4gm What to Do First in MLB The Show 26 Spring
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3337 users

[Code S] Ro16 Group D Season 2 2014 - Page 64

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 62 63 64 65 66 Next
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 06 2014 13:29 GMT
#1261
On June 06 2014 22:27 klup wrote:
For all people saying InnoVation < Maru because he just lost to Soulkey 2-1. W8 and see for the 3-0 Soulkey will bring to Maru in ro8.

There is very few chance we have a terran in ro4 except if Maru goes wild and try to 2 rax to death Soulkey.

He'll just 10 drone scout to avoid that.
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 13:35:30
June 06 2014 13:35 GMT
#1262
On June 06 2014 22:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:17 PerSe wrote:
On June 06 2014 22:16 GumBa wrote:
INno atleast made it further than anyother terran in bar Maru in the world


Maru had a comparatively easy group as well. Against Zest and SK, Maru probably would have suffered the same fate.


To be honest, it really doesn't matter.

Zest and Soulkey are good enough that it's very unlikely that you're going to win a GSL without going through either of them.

Whether it's in the Ro16 or the finals it doesn't matter. The only way Maru or Innovation are winning a GSL is if they can beat those guys.

Maru is good enough to beat anyone in the Ro8 even in the current meta. I really wish I could say the same for Innovation but I can't.


Maru's group was pretty noob compared to Innovation's.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
TW
Profile Joined March 2012
Poland255 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 13:39:17
June 06 2014 13:38 GMT
#1263
It is getting to the point when it is better just not to watch SC and only check results rather than be disappointed again. Its almost a year now.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
June 06 2014 13:40 GMT
#1264
Any way to show overall winrates via aligulac, depending on race?
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
June 06 2014 13:41 GMT
#1265
Not taking anything away from Soulkey here but it´s really really really difficult for any terran player to win games these days. The required skill is just way too high ... Split/Spread/Kite like a god to avoid Blings and even if you did well, you´re loosing your army to Sling/Mutas. Like my games on ladder, no matter how well I play sooner or later I get overrun. :-(

Anyways; hoping for maru to take it all. Although I believe that he has... 0 chance.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
June 06 2014 13:41 GMT
#1266
I'm not saying Innovation is worse than Maru because he lost to Soulkey, I'm far more concerned about the fact that Innovation looked to get thoroughly man handled by Zest.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 06 2014 13:42 GMT
#1267
Shine didn't win?! Inconceivable!
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
ColtraneL
Profile Joined December 2011
France248 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 13:44:13
June 06 2014 13:43 GMT
#1268
On June 06 2014 22:27 klup wrote:
For all people saying InnoVation < Maru because he just lost to Soulkey 2-1. W8 and see for the 3-0 Soulkey will bring to Maru in ro8.

There is very few chance we have a terran in ro4 except if Maru goes wild and try to 2 rax to death Soulkey.


There is always somebody predicting drastic results, and a lot of time they look like idiots afterwards.
Wait and watch, Maru is undeniably good and has a very different playstyle from Innovation, who knows what's going to happen.
Remember Mvp vs Rain, or whichever other example of surprising wins from the thousands that exists.
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2603 Posts
June 06 2014 13:44 GMT
#1269
On June 06 2014 22:43 ColtraneL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:27 klup wrote:
For all people saying InnoVation < Maru because he just lost to Soulkey 2-1. W8 and see for the 3-0 Soulkey will bring to Maru in ro8.

There is very few chance we have a terran in ro4 except if Maru goes wild and try to 2 rax to death Soulkey.


There is always somebody predicting drastic results, and a lot of time they look like idiots afterwards.
Wait and watch, Maru is undeniably good and has a very different playstyle from Innovation, who knows what's going to happen.
Remember Mvp vs Rain, or whichever other example of surprising wins from the thousands that exists.


Good old times
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
June 06 2014 13:45 GMT
#1270
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 06 2014 13:46 GMT
#1271
On June 06 2014 22:45 shadymmj wrote:
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.

Do we know that? I don't really think we know that.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
June 06 2014 13:51 GMT
#1272
Lol at all the people predicting shine to win
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
June 06 2014 13:52 GMT
#1273
On June 06 2014 22:45 shadymmj wrote:
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.

It wasn't that the game was balanced, the meta just suited a different play style, which innovation was better at
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
June 06 2014 13:52 GMT
#1274
On June 06 2014 22:51 DBS wrote:
Lol at all the people predicting shine to win

Well, he was pretty close at taking one map off.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
urasyupi2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States810 Posts
June 06 2014 13:53 GMT
#1275
On June 06 2014 22:20 GumBa wrote:
Now I am gonna have a shower and cry

we're all crying together
hemeh
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
June 06 2014 13:54 GMT
#1276
On June 06 2014 22:46 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:45 shadymmj wrote:
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.

Do we know that? I don't really think we know that.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=hots&type=players&id=663&part=games&vs=647&league=any&map=any&from_year=2013&from_month=3&from_day=15&to_year=2013&to_month=12&to_day=31&action=Update
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
June 06 2014 14:01 GMT
#1277
Woo SK! Cutest band member! + Show Spoiler +
jk Sojin for life
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
June 06 2014 14:08 GMT
#1278
On June 06 2014 22:52 DBS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:45 shadymmj wrote:
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.

It wasn't that the game was balanced, the meta just suited a different play style, which innovation was better at


Current meta doesn't suite any terran. Maru looked lost against Dark until he brought out his cheese.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
June 06 2014 14:09 GMT
#1279
On June 06 2014 22:52 DBS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:45 shadymmj wrote:
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.

It wasn't that the game was balanced, the meta just suited a different play style, which innovation was better at


Well the balance changes is why the "meta" is different.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
June 06 2014 14:11 GMT
#1280
On June 06 2014 22:45 shadymmj wrote:
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.


That's why SoulKey won a GSL and INnoVation didn't.
Gotcha.

And l0l.
Quote "Game is balanced" is dead forever in esports.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Prev 1 62 63 64 65 66 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 28m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft427
elazer 149
Nina 90
SpeCial 89
CosmosSc2 41
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 5765
Artosis 715
Stork 117
ggaemo 71
NaDa 21
LancerX 18
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
Terrorterran 9
Dota 2
monkeys_forever681
Counter-Strike
taco 462
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0384
hungrybox257
AZ_Axe129
PPMD53
Liquid`Ken11
Other Games
summit1g10172
ToD179
Maynarde156
Trikslyr61
UpATreeSC35
JuggernautJason9
deth6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick954
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream57
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 187
• davetesta17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie979
• Scarra942
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
9h 28m
Afreeca Starleague
9h 28m
Soulkey vs Ample
JyJ vs sSak
Replay Cast
1d 8h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 9h
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
1d 10h
Replay Cast
1d 23h
KCM Race Survival
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Team League
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
4 days
Platinum Heroes Events
4 days
BSL
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
5 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-23
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.