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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 06 2014 13:29 GMT
#1261
On June 06 2014 22:27 klup wrote:
For all people saying InnoVation < Maru because he just lost to Soulkey 2-1. W8 and see for the 3-0 Soulkey will bring to Maru in ro8.

There is very few chance we have a terran in ro4 except if Maru goes wild and try to 2 rax to death Soulkey.

He'll just 10 drone scout to avoid that.
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 13:35:30
June 06 2014 13:35 GMT
#1262
On June 06 2014 22:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:17 PerSe wrote:
On June 06 2014 22:16 GumBa wrote:
INno atleast made it further than anyother terran in bar Maru in the world


Maru had a comparatively easy group as well. Against Zest and SK, Maru probably would have suffered the same fate.


To be honest, it really doesn't matter.

Zest and Soulkey are good enough that it's very unlikely that you're going to win a GSL without going through either of them.

Whether it's in the Ro16 or the finals it doesn't matter. The only way Maru or Innovation are winning a GSL is if they can beat those guys.

Maru is good enough to beat anyone in the Ro8 even in the current meta. I really wish I could say the same for Innovation but I can't.


Maru's group was pretty noob compared to Innovation's.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
TW
Profile Joined March 2012
Poland255 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 13:39:17
June 06 2014 13:38 GMT
#1263
It is getting to the point when it is better just not to watch SC and only check results rather than be disappointed again. Its almost a year now.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
June 06 2014 13:40 GMT
#1264
Any way to show overall winrates via aligulac, depending on race?
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
June 06 2014 13:41 GMT
#1265
Not taking anything away from Soulkey here but it´s really really really difficult for any terran player to win games these days. The required skill is just way too high ... Split/Spread/Kite like a god to avoid Blings and even if you did well, you´re loosing your army to Sling/Mutas. Like my games on ladder, no matter how well I play sooner or later I get overrun. :-(

Anyways; hoping for maru to take it all. Although I believe that he has... 0 chance.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16096 Posts
June 06 2014 13:41 GMT
#1266
I'm not saying Innovation is worse than Maru because he lost to Soulkey, I'm far more concerned about the fact that Innovation looked to get thoroughly man handled by Zest.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 06 2014 13:42 GMT
#1267
Shine didn't win?! Inconceivable!
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
ColtraneL
Profile Joined December 2011
France248 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 13:44:13
June 06 2014 13:43 GMT
#1268
On June 06 2014 22:27 klup wrote:
For all people saying InnoVation < Maru because he just lost to Soulkey 2-1. W8 and see for the 3-0 Soulkey will bring to Maru in ro8.

There is very few chance we have a terran in ro4 except if Maru goes wild and try to 2 rax to death Soulkey.


There is always somebody predicting drastic results, and a lot of time they look like idiots afterwards.
Wait and watch, Maru is undeniably good and has a very different playstyle from Innovation, who knows what's going to happen.
Remember Mvp vs Rain, or whichever other example of surprising wins from the thousands that exists.
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2587 Posts
June 06 2014 13:44 GMT
#1269
On June 06 2014 22:43 ColtraneL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:27 klup wrote:
For all people saying InnoVation < Maru because he just lost to Soulkey 2-1. W8 and see for the 3-0 Soulkey will bring to Maru in ro8.

There is very few chance we have a terran in ro4 except if Maru goes wild and try to 2 rax to death Soulkey.


There is always somebody predicting drastic results, and a lot of time they look like idiots afterwards.
Wait and watch, Maru is undeniably good and has a very different playstyle from Innovation, who knows what's going to happen.
Remember Mvp vs Rain, or whichever other example of surprising wins from the thousands that exists.


Good old times
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
June 06 2014 13:45 GMT
#1270
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 06 2014 13:46 GMT
#1271
On June 06 2014 22:45 shadymmj wrote:
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.

Do we know that? I don't really think we know that.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
June 06 2014 13:51 GMT
#1272
Lol at all the people predicting shine to win
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
June 06 2014 13:52 GMT
#1273
On June 06 2014 22:45 shadymmj wrote:
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.

It wasn't that the game was balanced, the meta just suited a different play style, which innovation was better at
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
June 06 2014 13:52 GMT
#1274
On June 06 2014 22:51 DBS wrote:
Lol at all the people predicting shine to win

Well, he was pretty close at taking one map off.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
urasyupi2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States810 Posts
June 06 2014 13:53 GMT
#1275
On June 06 2014 22:20 GumBa wrote:
Now I am gonna have a shower and cry

we're all crying together
hemeh
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
June 06 2014 13:54 GMT
#1276
On June 06 2014 22:46 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:45 shadymmj wrote:
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.

Do we know that? I don't really think we know that.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=hots&type=players&id=663&part=games&vs=647&league=any&map=any&from_year=2013&from_month=3&from_day=15&to_year=2013&to_month=12&to_day=31&action=Update
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
June 06 2014 14:01 GMT
#1277
Woo SK! Cutest band member! + Show Spoiler +
jk Sojin for life
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
June 06 2014 14:08 GMT
#1278
On June 06 2014 22:52 DBS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:45 shadymmj wrote:
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.

It wasn't that the game was balanced, the meta just suited a different play style, which innovation was better at


Current meta doesn't suite any terran. Maru looked lost against Dark until he brought out his cheese.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
June 06 2014 14:09 GMT
#1279
On June 06 2014 22:52 DBS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:45 shadymmj wrote:
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.

It wasn't that the game was balanced, the meta just suited a different play style, which innovation was better at


Well the balance changes is why the "meta" is different.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
June 06 2014 14:11 GMT
#1280
On June 06 2014 22:45 shadymmj wrote:
of course we know that inno > SK (except for that final meltdown) when the game was balanced last year, based on overall record - but then they decided to nerf innovation.


That's why SoulKey won a GSL and INnoVation didn't.
Gotcha.

And l0l.
Quote "Game is balanced" is dead forever in esports.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
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