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Tuesday, Jun 03 11:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Proleague/Round_4/Round_Robin TL Preview:
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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/lichter/SPLlogos/mvp.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LBr19.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/lichter/SPLlogos/im.png) Sniper < Merry Go Round LE > ByuL Super < Outboxer > Oz Billowy < Habitation Station LE > Lucky hyvaa < Overgrowth LE > TrapAce:King Sejong Station LE
+ Show Spoiler [Spoiler-Free] ++ Show Spoiler [Overall Results] +
+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Byul?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★- Good game (2) 22% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6) 67% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (1) 11% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Byul? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +Poll: Recommend Super vs Oz?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★- Good game (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5) 56% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 44% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Super vs Oz? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +Poll: Recommend Billowy vs Lucky?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 17% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 17% ★★★- Good game (3) 50% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 17% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 6 total votes Your vote: Recommend Billowy vs Lucky? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +Poll: Recommend hyvaa vs Trap?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4) 57% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 14% ★★★- Good game (1) 14% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 14% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend hyvaa vs Trap? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
+ Show Spoiler [Ace Match] +Poll: Recommend Ace Match?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4) 57% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (2) 29% ★★★- Good game (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 14% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ace Match? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/l5YZ8.png) ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/a/a1/LiveReport.png/15px-LiveReport.png) Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Ace Match
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WdLE8.png)  Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Ace Match  Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Ace Match
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Poll: Heart?IM (7) 70% MVP (3) 30% 10 total votes Your vote: Heart? (Vote): MVP (Vote): IM
Poll: Head?IM (6) 86% MVP (1) 14% 7 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): MVP (Vote): IM
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mmm, this is an iffy lineup for IM. Not so much the people chosen, but who they're up against.
Interested to see how Lucky does.
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Austria24417 Posts
I wanna see HerO ace this shit
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I'm loving the Terran representation in this match
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Sniper > ByuL Super < Oz Billowy < Lucky hyvaa > Trap Super < HerO
Make it happen!
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As long as Super beats Oz, I really don't care about the rest. Maybe if we go to an ace, a double Super win would be pretty good too.
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Hehe, not a single Terran
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On June 03 2014 19:56 Heartland wrote: Hehe, not a single Terran
Keen vs Mvp ace match
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On June 03 2014 19:57 Yello wrote:Keen vs Mvp ace match
I JUST noticed that Mvp is the only Terran in IM.
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I wish for Sniper and hyvaa to win their maps and then Shine as the ace. *no wait that's not the real Shine. More coffee >.>
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On June 03 2014 19:56 Heartland wrote: Hehe, not a single Terran We are used to it by now
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Hoping for this match to score me big today!
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Yay back in time for the quality match. Gogo ByuL continue farming me FPL points
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terran pls Trap gogo i guess and IM
oh oh evil wins?
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I love that Moonglade is there to cast. Wolf saying that Sniper doesn't know the pool timing, Moonglade corrects him by saying since he sees the hatch timing he knows it's 15 pool.
Very basic stuff, but that's what makes it all the more important that the casters does know it.
edit: also surprised that Sniper is delaying speed so much, has had money for it a great while.
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Wait, Prime beat SKT? Did SKT play blindfolded and with their feet or something?
If ByuL loses this now I'm just quitting to avoid the agony of my FPL performance >_<
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Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Byul?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★- Good game (2) 22% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6) 67% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (1) 11% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Byul? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
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On June 03 2014 20:20 Yello wrote:Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Byul?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★- Good game (2) 22% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6) 67% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (1) 11% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Byul? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
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United States33129 Posts
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On June 03 2014 20:17 KatatoniK wrote: Wait, Prime beat SKT? Did SKT play blindfolded and with their feet or something?
If ByuL loses this now I'm just quitting to avoid the agony of my FPL performance >_< Seeya later
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Canada16217 Posts
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You've been..SNIPER STRUCK!
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C'mon, Super, I need some value.
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On June 03 2014 20:21 MrMotionPicture wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 20:17 KatatoniK wrote: Wait, Prime beat SKT? Did SKT play blindfolded and with their feet or something?
If ByuL loses this now I'm just quitting to avoid the agony of my FPL performance >_< Seeya later
well i have Byul on anti and after his performance against Prime I am kinda screwed too...
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If a phoenix lifts a unit on the low ground, will the unit then provide high ground vision?
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Poll: Recommend Super vs Oz?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★- Good game (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5) 56% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 44% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Super vs Oz? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
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Canada16217 Posts
needed super to win after soo and byul lost
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oh wizard time is over
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The night is salvaged after a point loss from soO.
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well, at least it's over quickly...
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This is how SKT vs Prime should have looked
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On June 03 2014 20:33 GreenMash wrote: This is how SKT vs Prime should have looked
This WAS how SKT vs. Prime looked.
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I'm not gonna exactly get any anti points this week thankfully but this hurts a LOT for my main team. Time to ditch fanta.
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Lucky, what a brave player for his first appearance in Proleague
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well, lucky just died to 8 zealots
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Pretty pitiful play today.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Poll: Recommend Billowy vs Lucky?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 17% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 17% ★★★- Good game (3) 50% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 17% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 6 total votes Your vote: Recommend Billowy vs Lucky? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend hyvaa vs Trap?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4) 57% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 14% ★★★- Good game (1) 14% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 14% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend hyvaa vs Trap? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Ace Match?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4) 57% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (2) 29% ★★★- Good game (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 14% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ace Match? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
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Billowy saved IM from hyvaa
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Oh cmon my food wasnt even ready yet. 
What im going to watch while eating now...
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Wtf.
Proleague is over for the night? :/
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51451 Posts
LOL fastest series ever, gg REKT IM
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On June 03 2014 20:33 GreenMash wrote: This is how SKT vs Prime should have looked Too bad salvation screwed up his match.
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Sniper beat ByuL. :O
Good to see he can still annoy people sometimes.
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ByuL lost so I don't get anything there but Billowy won I guess? DRG is gonna get team points which kinda sucks. Now to drink my sadness away 
also somewhere in his palace of evil, stuchiu is laughing
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On June 03 2014 20:48 Pandemona wrote: LOL fastest series ever, gg REKT IM
terrible series... but at least it was over fast
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I'd like to just take a moment to direct everybody's attention to the new Gumiho vs. Booth Liquibet.
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Gumi gonna beat Booth ezpz.
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argh no points for ByuL nor Trap... the only one point I got today was for captain Byun :S
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zzz... IM sending all of their worse players 
Time to remove that teamtag...
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Canada16217 Posts
On June 03 2014 20:54 Big J wrote:zzz... IM sending all of their worse players  Time to remove that teamtag... are you saying ByuL is one of IM's worse players? Though I admit they should have used Squirtle, Yonghwa, or ruin instead of Oz and Lucky
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On June 03 2014 20:51 silvana wrote: argh no points for ByuL nor Trap... the only one point I got today was for captain Byun :S you don't really want to win, do you?
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On June 03 2014 20:54 Big J wrote:zzz... IM sending all of their worse players  Time to remove that teamtag...
Oz, Byul, and Trap have been a lot more useful than the ST players for IM so far xD.
Odd that you jump ship to them.
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Australia54784 Posts
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On June 03 2014 20:55 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 20:54 Big J wrote:zzz... IM sending all of their worse players  Time to remove that teamtag... are you saying ByuL is bad? :S
no. But they have 6 Code S players from this season on the line up and 3more from last season. Oz and Lucky are not amongst them and I'd rate HerO above them as well. And they are not playing Life, who is their starplayer. It feels a bit like they aren't really trying, though they actually have (had?) a shot for the playoffs if they just would perform well this round, no?
On June 03 2014 20:57 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 20:54 Big J wrote:zzz... IM sending all of their worse players  Time to remove that teamtag... Oz, Byul, and Trap have been a lot more useful than the ST players for IM so far xD. Odd that you jump ship to them.
pfff, I only used their tag because of Startale in the first place.
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Wow Really 3-0 , My FPL isnt do so bad suddenly 
+9 points . .
9+4= 13
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On June 03 2014 20:56 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 20:51 silvana wrote: argh no points for ByuL nor Trap... the only one point I got today was for captain Byun :S you don't really want to win, do you? Let me at least explain the logic behind that decision 
I was having a hard time picking a Terran. I don't like to spend more than 7 points on a single player so the good ones were out of discussion except Bbyong, but I didn't want to pick him because I had better* deals to spend those points on. The mid value Terrans were not getting good matchups* this week so it looked like a 50/50 bet, I rather spend the points in a safer choice. Therefore I was left with the cheapest ones, which are not worth trading later since they never get playtime or they lose when they do, and don't get many team points either, hence their value never increases. And even if you find a decent trade for them it's still not worth to spend the trade on a cheap player because the potential gain is low. So I went with a 0 pointer Terran to comply the Terran quota and what do you do with a player you can never get rid of? You make him your captain so you can trade your other players freely 
*IMHO
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Wow, what is it, opposite day? Prime beating SKT1 and MVP demolishing IM? Things aren't right in the world today...
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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On June 03 2014 21:08 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 20:55 NovemberstOrm wrote:On June 03 2014 20:54 Big J wrote:zzz... IM sending all of their worse players  Time to remove that teamtag... are you saying ByuL is bad? :S no. But they have 6 Code S players from this season on the line up and 3more from last season. Oz and Lucky are not amongst them and I'd rate HerO above them as well. And they are not playing Life, who is their starplayer. It feels a bit like they aren't really trying, though they actually have (had?) a shot for the playoffs if they just would perform well this round, no? Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 20:57 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On June 03 2014 20:54 Big J wrote:zzz... IM sending all of their worse players  Time to remove that teamtag... Oz, Byul, and Trap have been a lot more useful than the ST players for IM so far xD. Odd that you jump ship to them. pfff, I only used their tag because of Startale in the first place. 
IM only had a shot at playoffs by finishing 1st
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On June 03 2014 21:42 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 21:08 Big J wrote:On June 03 2014 20:55 NovemberstOrm wrote:On June 03 2014 20:54 Big J wrote:zzz... IM sending all of their worse players  Time to remove that teamtag... are you saying ByuL is bad? :S no. But they have 6 Code S players from this season on the line up and 3more from last season. Oz and Lucky are not amongst them and I'd rate HerO above them as well. And they are not playing Life, who is their starplayer. It feels a bit like they aren't really trying, though they actually have (had?) a shot for the playoffs if they just would perform well this round, no? On June 03 2014 20:57 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On June 03 2014 20:54 Big J wrote:zzz... IM sending all of their worse players  Time to remove that teamtag... Oz, Byul, and Trap have been a lot more useful than the ST players for IM so far xD. Odd that you jump ship to them. pfff, I only used their tag because of Startale in the first place.  IM only had a shot at playoffs by finishing 1st
For the round or round playoffs? In the most likely scenario IM has to win the round playoffs and not get any lower than 3rd for the round. In addition this could all mean nothing if CJ gets 2nd or better for the round.
IM could still max at 246 points. CJ is currently at 182. CJ needs 64 points or better to eliminate IM no matter what from the post-season. So basically if CJ misses the playoffs this round (could easily happen) and IM shapes up (hey MVP did it in round 2), this isn't over at all.
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On June 03 2014 21:54 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 21:42 sharkie wrote:On June 03 2014 21:08 Big J wrote:On June 03 2014 20:55 NovemberstOrm wrote:On June 03 2014 20:54 Big J wrote:zzz... IM sending all of their worse players  Time to remove that teamtag... are you saying ByuL is bad? :S no. But they have 6 Code S players from this season on the line up and 3more from last season. Oz and Lucky are not amongst them and I'd rate HerO above them as well. And they are not playing Life, who is their starplayer. It feels a bit like they aren't really trying, though they actually have (had?) a shot for the playoffs if they just would perform well this round, no? On June 03 2014 20:57 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On June 03 2014 20:54 Big J wrote:zzz... IM sending all of their worse players  Time to remove that teamtag... Oz, Byul, and Trap have been a lot more useful than the ST players for IM so far xD. Odd that you jump ship to them. pfff, I only used their tag because of Startale in the first place.  IM only had a shot at playoffs by finishing 1st
For the round or round playoffs? In the most likely scenario IM has to win the round playoffs and not get any lower than 3rd for the round. In addition this could all mean nothing if CJ gets 2nd or better for the round. IM could still max at 246 points. CJ is currently at 182. CJ needs 64 points or better to eliminate IM no matter what from the post-season. So basically if CJ misses the playoffs this round (could easily happen) and IM shapes up (hey MVP did it in round 2), this isn't over at all.
Thanks for the reassurance. I can still hope then!
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To win playoffs you need to finish 1st or 2nd pretty much. Otherwise its impossible to prepare enough builds to win it all. There is just way way too little time to prepare.
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On June 03 2014 22:03 sharkie wrote: To win playoffs you need to finish 1st or 2nd pretty much. Otherwise its impossible to prepare enough builds to win it all. There is just way way too little time to prepare.
Ah, you were talking likelihoods.
Well, I'm not going to sugarcoat this. It looks quite grim, with CJ likely getting that 4th spot. Still, it's not quite as absurd as it may seem for IM to make it.
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Canada8157 Posts
Smallest LR thread ever? What the hell happened I was hoping to catch a game at this time
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On June 03 2014 22:07 Jer99 wrote: Smallest LR thread ever? What the hell happened I was hoping to catch a game at this time
Byul fucked up in holding a 10 pool/bane build and was behind all game. Couldn't comeback.
Oz went for a risky stargate build and didn't prepare well at all for Super's counter 3-gate despite scouting and being scouted. Died easily.
Lucky went for a risky double gold on Habitation Station. It didn't work very well..
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On June 03 2014 22:05 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 22:03 sharkie wrote: To win playoffs you need to finish 1st or 2nd pretty much. Otherwise its impossible to prepare enough builds to win it all. There is just way way too little time to prepare. Ah, you were talking likelihoods. Well, I'm not going to sugarcoat this. It looks quite grim, with CJ likely getting that 4th spot. Still, it's not quite as absurd as it may seem for IM to make it.
Yeah unfortunately.... this pl system is just too bad, giving 40 extra points to 1st place finisher is just way too much. I dont know what they were thinking about this. Even as a CJ fan I wish the last round would have been more open (with fear of dropping out of top4) to have a more interesting round4 but its just not possible :/
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On June 03 2014 22:11 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 22:05 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On June 03 2014 22:03 sharkie wrote: To win playoffs you need to finish 1st or 2nd pretty much. Otherwise its impossible to prepare enough builds to win it all. There is just way way too little time to prepare. Ah, you were talking likelihoods. Well, I'm not going to sugarcoat this. It looks quite grim, with CJ likely getting that 4th spot. Still, it's not quite as absurd as it may seem for IM to make it. Yeah unfortunately.... this pl system is just too bad, giving 40 extra points to 1st place finisher is just way too much. I dont know what they were thinking about this. Even as a CJ fan I wish the last round would have been more open (with fear of dropping out of top4) to have a more interesting round4 but its just not possible :/
Wouldn't have changed much though, KT, SKT and Jin Air would be in the top 4 regardless, and it's very fair to give the winner of the play-offs something over and above the round robin. If they wouldn't give extra points, why even bother. The fact that any team could potentially still be first and get those 40 points is the only reason why all other teams could in theory still pass CJ in the rankings.
The reason we have an uneventful round 4 is there were 4 teams who clearly performed better throughout the other 3 rounds than the other 4 teams. KT and Jin Air made the play-offs all 3 times and both won once, so they deserve top 4. SKT was barely edged out in round 2, but had dominating performances in round 1 and especially round 3 so they deserve a play-off spot. CJ had a pretty bad start, but rebounded quickly and had 2 solid performances in round 2 and 3. Samsung did well in round 1 but fell off, MVP is inconsistent, and IM/Prime didn't even make the play-offs once.
Whatever (reasonably fair) system you could come up with, the top 4 would be the same.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 03 2014 22:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 22:07 Jer99 wrote: Smallest LR thread ever? What the hell happened I was hoping to catch a game at this time Byul fucked up in holding a 10 pool/bane build and was behind all game. Couldn't comeback. Oz went for a risky stargate build and didn't prepare well at all for Super's counter 3-gate despite scouting and being scouted. Died easily. Lucky went for a risky double gold on Habitation Station. It didn't work very well..
He tried to get lucky but it didn't work
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United States23455 Posts
Maybe IM's coach will learn to use his strongest players
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On June 03 2014 22:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 22:07 Jer99 wrote: Smallest LR thread ever? What the hell happened I was hoping to catch a game at this time Byul fucked up in holding a 10 pool/bane build and was behind all game. Couldn't comeback. Oz went for a risky stargate build and didn't prepare well at all for Super's counter 3-gate despite scouting and being scouted. Died easily. Lucky went for a risky double gold on Habitation Station. It didn't work very well.. Boy am I glad I slept through my alarm and got some sleep instead of watching this. It sounds like it would have been painful...
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United States97276 Posts
My strategy of going IM heavy early because of them facing Prime and MVP and then looking to trade them away seems to have backfired
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On June 04 2014 01:16 Shellshock wrote: My strategy of going IM heavy early because of them facing Prime and MVP and then looking to trade them away seems to have backfired
I wanted to do the same with SKT players and getting CJ players...
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That's what you get for trying new players (Lucky in this case).
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Yay, a much needed sweep to bounce back. Keep it going.
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This LR confirms how much people want to watch PvPvZvZ.
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On June 04 2014 04:39 imrusty269 wrote: This LR confirms how much people want to watch PvPvZvZ.
Race matchups weren't the reason... It's more of a team/player matchup problem
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On June 03 2014 22:48 Darkhorse wrote: Maybe IM's coach will learn to use his strongest players Maybe Prime will send out a starting lineup of Creator, MKP, Leenock and Byun.
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United States97276 Posts
On June 04 2014 06:29 Evil_Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 22:48 Darkhorse wrote: Maybe IM's coach will learn to use his strongest players Maybe Prime will send out a starting lineup of Creator, MKP, Leenock and Byun. DrPandaPhD said that Leenock is in Taiwan for most of the time (I figured he probably knows since he's the leading Leenock fanboy) so we probably won't see him too often unless he's back in Korea.
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