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WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
April 28 2014 13:28 GMT
#441
On April 28 2014 22:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 22:24 Shellshock wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:24 Big J wrote:
Those stats... Ty with 13-3, how is that not better than 14-7...

because it's sorted by most wins and not win %

Which is stupid

No, it just has a different meaning.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 28 2014 13:29 GMT
#442
On April 28 2014 22:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 22:24 Shellshock wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:24 Big J wrote:
Those stats... Ty with 13-3, how is that not better than 14-7...

because it's sorted by most wins and not win %

Which is stupid

well it's one of the reasons why flash is touted as #1 PL player when his winrate is below several others'
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 28 2014 13:31 GMT
#443
On April 28 2014 22:29 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 22:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:24 Shellshock wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:24 Big J wrote:
Those stats... Ty with 13-3, how is that not better than 14-7...

because it's sorted by most wins and not win %

Which is stupid

well it's one of the reasons why flash is touted as #1 PL player when his winrate is below several others'

And the fact they don't include playoffs.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
April 28 2014 13:32 GMT
#444
On April 28 2014 22:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 22:24 Shellshock wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:24 Big J wrote:
Those stats... Ty with 13-3, how is that not better than 14-7...

because it's sorted by most wins and not win %

Which is stupid

No because if they take the win % system, that would mean that a guy with 1-0 is #1.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
April 28 2014 13:32 GMT
#445
Yeah, Zest wasn't THAT successful until he all killed SKT and then went on a roll everywhere.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
April 28 2014 13:32 GMT
#446
I would rather see the guy with most wins at the top than one who has only played one single game for 100%
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 13:38:52
April 28 2014 13:36 GMT
#447
Well yeah obviously that system would be bad too, but right now the "best player" could have 15:21 stats, i mean that is pretty stupid if you ask me (the best player right now has 14 wins right?)
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 13:41:05
April 28 2014 13:38 GMT
#448
Should just be most wins with a % tiebreaker, if you want to do most wins.

But I think an indicator might be a fun way to do it too, just like for the team ranking. The one with the biggest different betweens wins and losses tops the ranking. :p
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 13:40:58
April 28 2014 13:38 GMT
#449
I guess a +/- would be optimal then.

Edit: Or maybe not. Then that damn 1-0 guy beats 14-14
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
April 28 2014 13:53 GMT
#450
Hail Hydra needs to become a thing.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 13:56:00
April 28 2014 13:55 GMT
#451
On April 28 2014 22:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Well yeah obviously that system would be bad too, but right now the "best player" could have 15:21 stats, i mean that is pretty stupid if you ask me (the best player right now has 14 wins right?)

It's pretty difficult to get 14 or 15 wins with how many opportunities they get. Whoever has the most wins has gotta be playing a lot, as well as ace matches and winning a good % of them. No way a 15-21 record could happen while other ACE players are stuck at records like 14-7.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 28 2014 14:15 GMT
#452
On April 28 2014 22:55 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 22:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Well yeah obviously that system would be bad too, but right now the "best player" could have 15:21 stats, i mean that is pretty stupid if you ask me (the best player right now has 14 wins right?)

It's pretty difficult to get 14 or 15 wins with how many opportunities they get. Whoever has the most wins has gotta be playing a lot, as well as ace matches and winning a good % of them. No way a 15-21 record could happen while other ACE players are stuck at records like 14-7.

Well i just mentioned the worst possible result right now (that would be number one though), obviously it isn't very likely, but imo it shows the problem of this system.
I mean the best way to get number one is to have a mediocre team that goes to the ace very often. Now you can "farm" wins, you don't even need to win all of them, just around 50%, that isn't really the best player imo :D
So yeah, i really dislike the current system.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
April 28 2014 14:35 GMT
#453
On April 28 2014 23:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 22:55 Scarecrow wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Well yeah obviously that system would be bad too, but right now the "best player" could have 15:21 stats, i mean that is pretty stupid if you ask me (the best player right now has 14 wins right?)

It's pretty difficult to get 14 or 15 wins with how many opportunities they get. Whoever has the most wins has gotta be playing a lot, as well as ace matches and winning a good % of them. No way a 15-21 record could happen while other ACE players are stuck at records like 14-7.

Well i just mentioned the worst possible result right now (that would be number one though), obviously it isn't very likely, but imo it shows the problem of this system.
I mean the best way to get number one is to have a mediocre team that goes to the ace very often. Now you can "farm" wins, you don't even need to win all of them, just around 50%, that isn't really the best player imo :D
So yeah, i really dislike the current system.


You should be happy KT is in the top.

Also there's no other possible Top ranking. Maybe an aligulac ? Does it account for game played / % wins etc.. ?
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 14:36:34
April 28 2014 14:36 GMT
#454
On April 28 2014 22:32 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 22:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:24 Shellshock wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:24 Big J wrote:
Those stats... Ty with 13-3, how is that not better than 14-7...

because it's sorted by most wins and not win %

Which is stupid

No because if they take the win % system, that would mean that a guy with 1-0 is #1.

It makes just as much sense if #1 has score of 8-11 while #2 is 7-0 in the current system. Both systems are heavily flawed, they should use the third one.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 28 2014 14:46 GMT
#455
Well i guess there is no real simple solution, i mean everybody who watches it casually has to understand the ranking instantly^^
So i guess i have to live with it and just be mad that TY isn't number one :D
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 14:51:31
April 28 2014 14:49 GMT
#456
On April 28 2014 23:36 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 22:32 Boucot wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:24 Shellshock wrote:
On April 28 2014 22:24 Big J wrote:
Those stats... Ty with 13-3, how is that not better than 14-7...

because it's sorted by most wins and not win %

Which is stupid

No because if they take the win % system, that would mean that a guy with 1-0 is #1.

It makes just as much sense if #1 has score of 8-11 while #2 is 7-0 in the current system. Both systems are heavily flawed, they should use the third one.

Except it's virtually impossible for one mediocre player to play 19 games whilst an unstoppable player only plays 7 (barring some ridiculous rookie breakout - still mathematically there's just no way an 8-11 record can be #1). The best players will get to the top of this ranking over the course of a season just like they always do. If you don't have a good winrate you simply can't amass the number of wins to top this anyway in the long term.

If TY played more ace matches he'd probably be #1. The ranking actually favors ace players (extra opportunity for wins), which is fair enough given their opponents.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 28 2014 15:35 GMT
#457
I guess has herO has officially lost his spot as CJ's ace surprised they sent out Hydra and not Bbyong, maybe because he was fresh
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PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
April 28 2014 17:28 GMT
#458
considering the small sample size of games and taking into account variance - most wins is more often than not, a better indicator of a player's ability than win-%.

also Flash is apparently a practice bonjwa in the KT house, and that's probably why he gets sent out for ace matches more than TY.
uTears
Profile Joined March 2014
Venezuela19 Posts
April 28 2014 20:16 GMT
#459
Damn it MKP won in a protoss map against a protoss, thats hurt .. At least hydra wear his super hero tshirt and won the ace, and ofc Bbyong won as well, more points to me.
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
April 29 2014 04:46 GMT
#460
On April 29 2014 00:35 Yorkie wrote:
I guess has herO has officially lost his spot as CJ's ace surprised they sent out Hydra and not Bbyong, maybe because he was fresh


I would guess Creator would've prepared hard for playing against Bbyong - it's fairly likely that the one true hero is suffering from a little bit of a confidence issue right now, so Bbyong would be a better choice, which means he would be the target of a lot of prep, which means Hydra could snipe in peace
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