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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 27 2014 19:19 GMT
#4801
On April 28 2014 04:18 TheFlexN wrote:
Impact vs Innovation final will be the best, its also an upset, also artosis curse taking part and also a non-mirror finals. This is an insane dreamhack.

Innovation's TvZ is likely better than Maru's still and we saw how one sided Maru vs Impact was already last week
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 27 2014 19:19 GMT
#4802
On April 28 2014 04:14 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 04:13 -_- wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:06 Yorkie wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:06 -_- wrote:
Blizzard did a GREAT job with the new maps. You can really see how Protoss is disadvantaged (which is what the current balance DEMANDED).

This game did not demonstrate map imbalance in the slightest


Of course this game demonstrated map 'imbalance'. At least compared to the 'normal' tournament map (which is what I said).

Life beautifully managed to exploit the distance between 3rd and the natural by constantly pressuring with Roaches. What's more, he used burrow INCREASE that advantage.

Additionally, you saw how useful the fourth gold was for life. Gold bases which cannot easily be taken as a natural, or a third are ALMOST useless for Protoss players. Barring some interesting gimmicks, they won't be important because most Protoss strategies revolve around 2-3. Zerg, on the other hand, regularly goes up to 4 bases ZVP. And the fourth base kicks in just about when Protoss is preparing to attack on 3.

Again, Blizzard did a great job with the maps. It's a lot harder for P on them now, then it was in the last set.

So what you're saying is, Stardust did not have a significantly large army to leave some at each base, nor did he have the production capability to make 2 observers. oh wait, he did! Wow. Too bad he didn't do those things and Life clawed his way back into the game with superior multitasking


Stardust may not have played the defence that well, but the map did give Life the slight edge he needed to claw his way back. On one of the older maps, Stardust's defence while not great may have sufficed.

I agree with -_- in that the new set of maps ease zerg aggression, and weaken protoss all-ins, especially the blink based ones, against terran, which was what Blizzard needed to do.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
April 27 2014 19:19 GMT
#4803
On April 28 2014 04:16 Shellshock wrote:
INnoVation said he wasn't that confident in his TvZ anymore. Time to see if he was lying and ByuL is just a bonjwa


Well, that doesn't mean Acer didn't temporarily disable his ethics subroutines so that he can lie about it and play mind games with his zerg opponents.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
April 27 2014 19:20 GMT
#4804
On April 28 2014 04:19 VmY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 04:18 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:17 Musicus wrote:
I'm not sure if I want Jaedong vs Life or Jaedong vs Inno in the final. Will both be epic. Jaedong has better chances to win vs Life, but another mirror is meh.

YOU SIR underestimate the ZvZ of Life

Doesn't Life have an insane ZvZ record? Jaedong looked kinda shaky against Snute, would definitely favour Life for now


Yeah it's pretty good except for when he lost to soOwja
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 27 2014 19:20 GMT
#4805
On April 28 2014 04:19 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 04:14 Schelim wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:13 StarVe wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:13 Schelim wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:12 StarVe wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:12 Wintex wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:11 Shellshock wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:10 Lorning wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:10 Shellshock wrote:
Well this is better than I expected Life to do if he met a decent Korean toss. Glad my pick to win it all is still alive

aLive is not there

yeah. I didn't capitalize the L because I didn't want to get people confused with the subpar Korean terran

aLive is not subpar ;(

he's so qt and he has a good playstyyle

you don't get to pick who's qt

he's a Bomber fan, you can trust his taste

Bomber hasn't been the same since his surgery.

Wintex same old same old though.

still better than anybody not named Bomber.

guys what should i do for 8k post?

Marry girl you love and make epic thread how TL changed your life (to better)

but then how do i watch this ZvZ at the same time?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
April 27 2014 19:20 GMT
#4806
I'm a sad protoss.

But should be good games to come. Gogo Dong!
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 27 2014 19:20 GMT
#4807
On April 28 2014 04:19 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Impact already increases his total earnings sixfold by getting 3k $ in the worst case scenario for 4th place.

MC still literally 124 times better than him.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
April 27 2014 19:20 GMT
#4808
On April 28 2014 04:18 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 04:17 Musicus wrote:
I'm not sure if I want Jaedong vs Life or Jaedong vs Inno in the final. Will both be epic. Jaedong has better chances to win vs Life, but another mirror is meh.

YOU SIR underestimate the ZvZ of Life


No I just don't think Jaeong's TvZ is that good and Inno crushed him in ATC. Jaedong's ZvZ on the other hand should be on par with Life's.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 27 2014 19:20 GMT
#4809
On April 28 2014 04:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 04:17 GumBa wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:16 Shellshock wrote:
INnoVation said he wasn't that confident in his TvZ anymore. Time to see if he was lying and ByuL is just a bonjwa

Inno is faking everyone


No, I'm pretty sure Byul is a bonjwa. Yep.

Revival vs ByuL
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 27 2014 19:20 GMT
#4810
On April 28 2014 04:20 AWalker9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 04:19 VmY wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:18 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:17 Musicus wrote:
I'm not sure if I want Jaedong vs Life or Jaedong vs Inno in the final. Will both be epic. Jaedong has better chances to win vs Life, but another mirror is meh.

YOU SIR underestimate the ZvZ of Life

Doesn't Life have an insane ZvZ record? Jaedong looked kinda shaky against Snute, would definitely favour Life for now


Yeah it's pretty good except for when he lost to soOwja

Can't really blame anyone for losing to the best zerg in the world so I'll let that one slide for Life
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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VmY
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands1286 Posts
April 27 2014 19:20 GMT
#4811
On April 28 2014 04:20 AWalker9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 04:19 VmY wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:18 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:17 Musicus wrote:
I'm not sure if I want Jaedong vs Life or Jaedong vs Inno in the final. Will both be epic. Jaedong has better chances to win vs Life, but another mirror is meh.

YOU SIR underestimate the ZvZ of Life

Doesn't Life have an insane ZvZ record? Jaedong looked kinda shaky against Snute, would definitely favour Life for now


Yeah it's pretty good except for when he lost to soOwja

Well yeah, but then who doesn't lose to the soOwja.
+ Show Spoiler +
Apart from Royal Roading protoss players
Why can't I quit you, siege tank? FanTaSy, Mvp.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
April 27 2014 19:20 GMT
#4812
On April 28 2014 04:13 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 04:12 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:11 Kasaraki wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:10 stuchiu wrote:
I could be a translator, though I dont know Korean. I'd just make shit up for them.

How do you feel about your game Life?

Life speaks some Korean

Life says he is a God for winning and that he outplayed Stardust on every level from micro to macro to willpower.

I would hire you for my tournament for sure.



Id still rather have Terry the Intern.

has he been freed from the NASL jail when they shut it down?

Terry is working for ESGN.

So the answer is no.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 27 2014 19:21 GMT
#4813
On April 28 2014 04:17 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 04:15 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:12 StarVe wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:12 Wintex wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:11 Shellshock wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:10 Lorning wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:10 Shellshock wrote:
Well this is better than I expected Life to do if he met a decent Korean toss. Glad my pick to win it all is still alive

aLive is not there

yeah. I didn't capitalize the L because I didn't want to get people confused with the subpar Korean terran

aLive is not subpar ;(

he's so qt and he has a good playstyyle

you don't get to pick who's qt

Owlterran is qt tho.

r u the only one that calls him owlterran?

probably

people seem to know who I'm talking about tho so it's fine.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
April 27 2014 19:21 GMT
#4814
On April 28 2014 04:20 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 04:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:17 GumBa wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:16 Shellshock wrote:
INnoVation said he wasn't that confident in his TvZ anymore. Time to see if he was lying and ByuL is just a bonjwa

Inno is faking everyone


No, I'm pretty sure Byul is a bonjwa. Yep.

Revival vs ByuL

The game where byul threw himself into code S
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
April 27 2014 19:21 GMT
#4815
JDs recent vs Z is 19-3 O_o
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
April 27 2014 19:21 GMT
#4816
On April 28 2014 04:18 TheFlexN wrote:
Impact vs Innovation final will be the best, its also an upset, also artosis curse taking part and also a non-mirror finals. This is an insane dreamhack.

The only way that would be better is if Innovation went up two games and Impact smashed him in the next three.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
April 27 2014 19:21 GMT
#4817
It actually is so cool to see Impact here. Coming so far since his State of Play days.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
April 27 2014 19:21 GMT
#4818
On April 28 2014 04:20 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 04:19 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:14 Schelim wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:13 StarVe wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:13 Schelim wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:12 StarVe wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:12 Wintex wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:11 Shellshock wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:10 Lorning wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:10 Shellshock wrote:
Well this is better than I expected Life to do if he met a decent Korean toss. Glad my pick to win it all is still alive

aLive is not there

yeah. I didn't capitalize the L because I didn't want to get people confused with the subpar Korean terran

aLive is not subpar ;(

he's so qt and he has a good playstyyle

you don't get to pick who's qt

he's a Bomber fan, you can trust his taste

Bomber hasn't been the same since his surgery.

Wintex same old same old though.

still better than anybody not named Bomber.

guys what should i do for 8k post?

Marry girl you love and make epic thread how TL changed your life (to better)

but then how do i watch this ZvZ at the same time?

#passionoverwhelming
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 27 2014 19:21 GMT
#4819
Inno will
Win this dh. He must
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
April 27 2014 19:21 GMT
#4820
On April 28 2014 04:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 04:14 Yorkie wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:13 -_- wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:06 Yorkie wrote:
On April 28 2014 04:06 -_- wrote:
Blizzard did a GREAT job with the new maps. You can really see how Protoss is disadvantaged (which is what the current balance DEMANDED).

This game did not demonstrate map imbalance in the slightest


Of course this game demonstrated map 'imbalance'. At least compared to the 'normal' tournament map (which is what I said).

Life beautifully managed to exploit the distance between 3rd and the natural by constantly pressuring with Roaches. What's more, he used burrow INCREASE that advantage.

Additionally, you saw how useful the fourth gold was for life. Gold bases which cannot easily be taken as a natural, or a third are ALMOST useless for Protoss players. Barring some interesting gimmicks, they won't be important because most Protoss strategies revolve around 2-3. Zerg, on the other hand, regularly goes up to 4 bases ZVP. And the fourth base kicks in just about when Protoss is preparing to attack on 3.

Again, Blizzard did a great job with the maps. It's a lot harder for P on them now, then it was in the last set.

So what you're saying is, Stardust did not have a significantly large army to leave some at each base, nor did he have the production capability to make 2 observers. oh wait, he did! Wow. Too bad he didn't do those things and Life clawed his way back into the game with superior multitasking


Stardust may not have played the defence that well, but the map did give Life the slight edge he needed to claw his way back. On one of the older maps, Stardust's defence while not great may have sufficed.

I agree with -_- in that the new set of maps ease zerg aggression, and weaken protoss all-ins, especially the blink based ones, against terran, which was what Blizzard needed to do.


As far as I know, Blizzard's plan was to make maps less blink favored, so basically to help terrans. As it turned out they actually did the most for zerg with the new map pool. That is one of the reasons I am against balancing SC2 with maps.
Protoss has too many unique mechanics that are really hard to balance just with maps.
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