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On April 18 2014 09:49 Hider wrote:
Well, noone here actually tried to explain why it made sense. Like imagine this scenario:
1) You shiftclick a probe around to scout for hidden expos
2) You don't see anything at all.
3) Then 10 seconds after, you resend your probe to check for the hidden expo in the same location that you (think) you just checked for again.
Like, ofc Avilo isn't blaming him here, because he doesn't know what actually happened. I simply cannot imagine anything besides streamcheating that could explain that behaviour.
I can
1) Bails thinks "I've played Avilo a lot and he really likes hiding bases. This is a really good map for it, and his army seems small for two bases"
2) Then he scouts for one
3) Then Bails realizes "Oh shit my probe didn't even check for a base damn! I'll send one again. Oh look I was right!"
Or just keep your tinfoil hat on
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 18 2014 09:52 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 09:48 Yorkie wrote:On April 18 2014 09:42 aZealot wrote:On April 18 2014 09:14 Yorkie wrote:On April 18 2014 09:14 aznheat80 wrote:On April 18 2014 09:12 Yorkie wrote:
Vibe hasn't been playing much recently. Pretty sad that Nony beat him though Wow don't say that! nony has been practicing alot. the games against vibe were really one-sided. Don't say what? I like Vibe a lot more than Nony Sorry, I didn't know you were asking a question. I thought you were mocking Nony. Ahh did you think I meant "it was sad that Vibe lost to such a terrible player as Nony?" I meant that I was sad that Vibe lost. I know Nony has been practicing a lot more and has improved a lot recently Yep, that's what I thought you meant. Hence the misunderstanding.  Nony has been practicing a lot, but I don't think he consistently practices a lot - if that makes any sense. I genuinely think he doesn't like the game enough to really do the necessary hours. At least, that's my impression. Anyway, I hope he does well in the next round. I've always liked his safe and methodical approach to playing Protoss.
I hate how he only uses 1 build in PvZ.
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On April 18 2014 09:49 Hider wrote:
Well, noone here actually tried to explain why it made sense.
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On April 18 2014 09:46 Undead1993 wrote:
mb he realized that his probe didn't quite make it to the spot where it needs to and sent it back? could it be?
Show nested quote +One small problem. There is a loooong stream delay and Avilo himself is not streaming since he blamed that for his loss last season How long? Because this is the weirdest behaviour I have ever seen in a casted game.
The stream delay is at least 3 minutes, might be longer.
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On April 18 2014 09:50 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 09:48 aZealot wrote:
What's the cause for Avilo's Protoss hate, anyway? Has he always been that way? I'm genuinely curious.
Edit/ Apart from the imba blah blah, his hate seems to stem from something deeper than that. When he was young, a Protoss player stole his lollipop. On that day, avilo received a grim reminder: we lived in fear of the Protoss and were disgraced to play the weakest race we called Terran.
I thought it was something visceral like that. The other option that came to mind was repressed memories of an alien abduction which bubble up whenever he is matched with a Protoss.
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nony won 2-1 vs edge  ))
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 18 2014 09:55 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 09:50 stuchiu wrote:On April 18 2014 09:48 aZealot wrote:
What's the cause for Avilo's Protoss hate, anyway? Has he always been that way? I'm genuinely curious.
Edit/ Apart from the imba blah blah, his hate seems to stem from something deeper than that. When he was young, a Protoss player stole his lollipop. On that day, avilo received a grim reminder: we lived in fear of the Protoss and were disgraced to play the weakest race we called Terran. I thought it was something visceral like that. The other option that came to mind was repressed memories of an alien abduction which bubble up whenever he is matched with a Protoss.
Speaking of stealing candy, I need to go do my evil thing for the day in celebration of Shine's victory over Flash.
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On April 18 2014 09:52 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 09:49 Hider wrote:
Well, noone here actually tried to explain why it made sense. Like imagine this scenario:
1) You shiftclick a probe around to scout for hidden expos
2) You don't see anything at all.
3) Then 10 seconds after, you resend your probe to check for the hidden expo in the same location that you (think) you just checked for again.
Like, ofc Avilo isn't blaming him here, because he doesn't know what actually happened. I simply cannot imagine anything besides streamcheating that could explain that behaviour. I can 1) Bails thinks "I've played Avilo a lot and he really likes hiding bases. This is a really good map for it, and his army seems small for two bases" 2) Then he scouts for one 3) Then Bails realizes "Oh !@#$%^&* my probe didn't even check for a base !@#$%^&*! I'll send one again. Oh look I was right!" Or just keep your tinfoil hat on
Just to clarify, I really dislike Avilo. But your post doesn't adress anything at all. First of all, he didn't just send one again. IT was the same probe that had just barely missed the expansion that he resend back in 10 seconds later. Like wouldn't any normal person scout some of the other bases before?
But the question is, how on earth do you realize you misshiftclicked your probe? Because there was no way on hell Avilo had time to get a scv up there and build a CC after the probe went out.
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On April 18 2014 09:53 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 09:52 aZealot wrote:On April 18 2014 09:48 Yorkie wrote:On April 18 2014 09:42 aZealot wrote:On April 18 2014 09:14 Yorkie wrote:On April 18 2014 09:14 aznheat80 wrote:On April 18 2014 09:12 Yorkie wrote:
Vibe hasn't been playing much recently. Pretty sad that Nony beat him though Wow don't say that! nony has been practicing alot. the games against vibe were really one-sided. Don't say what? I like Vibe a lot more than Nony Sorry, I didn't know you were asking a question. I thought you were mocking Nony. Ahh did you think I meant "it was sad that Vibe lost to such a terrible player as Nony?" I meant that I was sad that Vibe lost. I know Nony has been practicing a lot more and has improved a lot recently Yep, that's what I thought you meant. Hence the misunderstanding. Nony has been practicing a lot, but I don't think he consistently practices a lot - if that makes any sense. I genuinely think he doesn't like the game enough to really do the necessary hours. At least, that's my impression. Anyway, I hope he does well in the next round. I've always liked his safe and methodical approach to playing Protoss. I hate how he only uses 1 build in PvZ.
Yeah, there is that. He can be a tad inflexible. (Some might even say, stupid.) It's odd, though. I never followed him in BW, but it appears he used to mix things up in his play. I don't know why he doesn't appear to want to do the same in HOTS.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Hahhahahah Bails hahahahhahah
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omg what a horrible engagement by bails.. :X
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Funny game indeed
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bails panicked so hard afteer he lost those probes =/ meh
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On April 18 2014 09:55 aznheat80 wrote:nony won 2-1 vs edge ))
Oh wow, I thought he lost when his stream turned off. I was watching the WCS stream, and when I switched tabs he was offline.
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On April 18 2014 09:58 DinosaurJones wrote:Oh wow, I thought he lost when his stream turned off. I was watching the WCS stream, and when I switched tabs he was offline.
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yay nony <3
Also, THE COMEBACK IS REAL AVILO!
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On April 18 2014 09:57 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 09:52 Yorkie wrote:On April 18 2014 09:49 Hider wrote:
Well, noone here actually tried to explain why it made sense. Like imagine this scenario:
1) You shiftclick a probe around to scout for hidden expos
2) You don't see anything at all.
3) Then 10 seconds after, you resend your probe to check for the hidden expo in the same location that you (think) you just checked for again.
Like, ofc Avilo isn't blaming him here, because he doesn't know what actually happened. I simply cannot imagine anything besides streamcheating that could explain that behaviour. I can 1) Bails thinks "I've played Avilo a lot and he really likes hiding bases. This is a really good map for it, and his army seems small for two bases" 2) Then he scouts for one 3) Then Bails realizes "Oh !@#$%^&* my probe didn't even check for a base !@#$%^&*! I'll send one again. Oh look I was right!" Or just keep your tinfoil hat on Just to clarify, I really dislike Avilo. But your post doesn't adress anything at all. First of all, he didn't just send one again. IT was the same probe that had just barely missed the expansion that he resend back in 10 seconds later. Like wouldn't any normal person scout some of the other bases before? But the question is, how on earth do you realize you misshiftclicked your probe? Because there was no way on hell Avilo had time to get a scv up there and build a CC after the probe went out.
It's even MORE likely that a pro player would realize the probe missed the cc and send it back quickly. The base Avilo took is the most likely/common place for a hidden base. Also you're right it's very unlikely that Avilo could get up there and build a cc in that time, but he was already building it. Bails saw that his probe had been mis-rallied to not scout the location of the command center so he sent it back, end of story
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On April 18 2014 09:46 Undead1993 wrote:
mb he realized that his probe didn't quite make it to the spot where it needs to and sent it back? could it be?
Muscious that's not adressing my point. Read what I wrote in my first post:
When you shiftclick a probe around the map to scout for expo your never actually gonna realize if you misshiftclicked it.
In order for people to argue that I was wrong, the argument would need to be presented in such a way that it is likely that someone actually realize when you misshiftclick scout.
I never as a player actually ever discovered when I misshiftclicked scouting, and I have never seen such a thing happen before in other games (and I watched alot alot). So to me it simply seemed that the probability as streamcheating as higher than someone realizing a misshiftclicking.
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