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On March 10 2014 23:09 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 22:42 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 22:40 TheDwf wrote:On March 10 2014 22:38 redviper wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:49 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:47 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:44 sharkie wrote:
Flash = one matchup player Yeah cause losing a Bo1 Ace match vs a 72% PvT'er in this period for Terran is so terrible -.- Flash lost also to Stork lol Keep citing Bo1's. How about Flash dropping out of Code A? That wasn't a bo1. You mean like 10 other Terrans who had the level to be in Code S? On March 10 2014 22:38 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 22:36 TheDwf wrote:On March 10 2014 22:26 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:57 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:49 sharkie wrote:
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Flash lost also to Stork lol Keep citing Bo1's. I can also cite Bo3s Flash lost to protoss ^^ Bomber lost 2-0 to Arthur but I'm not stupid/trollish enough to think that means much. Bomber gets the benefit of doubt because he has gotten results before. Flash is just a very good PL terran, nothing more and only good in TvZ in HOTS What does this even mean? You can say the same about TY... Yes, TY hasn't accomplished anything in ILs either. But no one calls TY god lol You know very well that this name comes from his BW accomplishments, not the SC2 ones... I do. I wish KT fans knew that as well. People keep expecting Flash to win GSLs (yes, multiple ones) and this is annoying. You do realize it's the casters hyping him up right, God is a nick name for Flash. Hell, Anytime was "Death God". Infact I haven't heard a single caster not refer to Flash as "God", so you might as well lump all of those people as KT/Flash fanboys too. Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 22:49 mongmong wrote:
Flash losing always makes me smile :-). The obnoxiousness of Flash fanboys has always been annoying, at least I won't hear "Flash gonna win GSL " chant for a while I'm pretty sure I've never ever seen a "Flash is going to win GSL" on this forum, ever. I've seen plenty for ForGG when everyone was hyping him up but that's about the extent of it for Kespa hype.
I guess you weren't here during the KESPA transitional period, there was plenty of GSL hype for Flash, JD, Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Stork.
It was the entire basis for the elephant article. BW S class players were just more 'talented' and they would dominate totally once they switched over.
I think a lot of the anti Flash hate stems from the fact that he was THE elephant and Kespa fanboys weren't exactly friendly during the transition. Not sure if the grudge should be held for that long be hey, Protoss still refer back to the 1-1-1 era and GOMTvT as their defense in balance threads and that was way before the Kespa transition.
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On March 10 2014 23:59 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 23:34 Big J wrote:DRG, le boss d'final as they say in france!!!!! + Show Spoiler +I didnt totally make that up... Now you guys can go back circlejerking about whether Flash will win a GSL in Starbow or not. Le boss final*. Big J please. D:
DRG, lè bóss fìnàl*!
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On March 11 2014 00:54 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 23:59 TheDwf wrote:On March 10 2014 23:34 Big J wrote:DRG, le boss d'final as they say in france!!!!! + Show Spoiler +I didnt totally make that up... Now you guys can go back circlejerking about whether Flash will win a GSL in Starbow or not. Le boss final*. Big J please. D: DRG, lè bóss fìnàl*!
La dernière bosse !
You don't have to try so hard :D
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What, flash hate again? Flash unimpressed, come up with something new guys.
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your Country52797 Posts
MVP defeats SKT and KT in the space of 8 days.
I have no idea what to think anymore T_T
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United States23455 Posts
On March 11 2014 03:08 The_Templar wrote:
MVP defeats SKT and KT in the space of 8 days.
I have no idea what to think anymore T_T
Former ESF > MVP > Kespa Veterans
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ye mvp beats kt in proleague and avilo plays zerg, i dont want to live on this planet anymore
but i have to say these were some crazy good vods to look into!
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On March 10 2014 21:44 jakethesnake wrote:
Holy MVP... I'd love to see the liquibet split on that one! haha
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet2/showgraph.php?liquibet=87)
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KT just making proleague more interesting. Don't want to run away with it too early on.
Good guys KT.
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On March 11 2014 04:01 Phredxor wrote:
KT just making proleague more interesting. Don't want to run away with it too early on.
Good guys KT.
If only i could have as much faith as you :/
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Wow Flash lose twice . . . . . >.<
I tink I skipped praying. That why I got this retribution.
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Bisutopia19152 Posts
On March 11 2014 00:50 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 23:09 Caihead wrote:On March 10 2014 22:42 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 22:40 TheDwf wrote:On March 10 2014 22:38 redviper wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:49 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:47 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:44 sharkie wrote:
Flash = one matchup player Yeah cause losing a Bo1 Ace match vs a 72% PvT'er in this period for Terran is so terrible -.- Flash lost also to Stork lol Keep citing Bo1's. How about Flash dropping out of Code A? That wasn't a bo1. You mean like 10 other Terrans who had the level to be in Code S? On March 10 2014 22:38 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 22:36 TheDwf wrote:On March 10 2014 22:26 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:57 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 Scarecrow wrote:
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Keep citing Bo1's. I can also cite Bo3s Flash lost to protoss ^^ Bomber lost 2-0 to Arthur but I'm not stupid/trollish enough to think that means much. Bomber gets the benefit of doubt because he has gotten results before. Flash is just a very good PL terran, nothing more and only good in TvZ in HOTS What does this even mean? You can say the same about TY... Yes, TY hasn't accomplished anything in ILs either. But no one calls TY god lol You know very well that this name comes from his BW accomplishments, not the SC2 ones... I do. I wish KT fans knew that as well. People keep expecting Flash to win GSLs (yes, multiple ones) and this is annoying. You do realize it's the casters hyping him up right, God is a nick name for Flash. Hell, Anytime was "Death God". Infact I haven't heard a single caster not refer to Flash as "God", so you might as well lump all of those people as KT/Flash fanboys too. On March 10 2014 22:49 mongmong wrote:
Flash losing always makes me smile :-). The obnoxiousness of Flash fanboys has always been annoying, at least I won't hear "Flash gonna win GSL " chant for a while I'm pretty sure I've never ever seen a "Flash is going to win GSL" on this forum, ever. I've seen plenty for ForGG when everyone was hyping him up but that's about the extent of it for Kespa hype. I guess you weren't here during the KESPA transitional period, there was plenty of GSL hype for Flash, JD, Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Stork. It was the entire basis for the elephant article. BW S class players were just more 'talented' and they would dominate totally once they switched over. I think a lot of the anti Flash hate stems from the fact that he was THE elephant and Kespa fanboys weren't exactly friendly during the transition. Not sure if the grudge should be held for that long be hey, Protoss still refer back to the 1-1-1 era and GOMTvT as their defense in balance threads and that was way before the Kespa transition.
Bisu was going to win a few GSLs but he retired before breaking the game.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 11 2014 03:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 21:44 jakethesnake wrote:
Holy MVP... I'd love to see the liquibet split on that one! haha
Super Vampire confirmed scarier than God.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Maybe Vampires just hate telephone services?
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Can someone tell What are the consequences of the kespa penalty points? How many points, etc. ..
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On March 11 2014 00:50 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 23:09 Caihead wrote:On March 10 2014 22:42 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 22:40 TheDwf wrote:On March 10 2014 22:38 redviper wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:49 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:47 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:44 sharkie wrote:
Flash = one matchup player Yeah cause losing a Bo1 Ace match vs a 72% PvT'er in this period for Terran is so terrible -.- Flash lost also to Stork lol Keep citing Bo1's. How about Flash dropping out of Code A? That wasn't a bo1. You mean like 10 other Terrans who had the level to be in Code S? On March 10 2014 22:38 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 22:36 TheDwf wrote:On March 10 2014 22:26 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:57 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 Scarecrow wrote:
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Keep citing Bo1's. I can also cite Bo3s Flash lost to protoss ^^ Bomber lost 2-0 to Arthur but I'm not stupid/trollish enough to think that means much. Bomber gets the benefit of doubt because he has gotten results before. Flash is just a very good PL terran, nothing more and only good in TvZ in HOTS What does this even mean? You can say the same about TY... Yes, TY hasn't accomplished anything in ILs either. But no one calls TY god lol You know very well that this name comes from his BW accomplishments, not the SC2 ones... I do. I wish KT fans knew that as well. People keep expecting Flash to win GSLs (yes, multiple ones) and this is annoying. You do realize it's the casters hyping him up right, God is a nick name for Flash. Hell, Anytime was "Death God". Infact I haven't heard a single caster not refer to Flash as "God", so you might as well lump all of those people as KT/Flash fanboys too. On March 10 2014 22:49 mongmong wrote:
Flash losing always makes me smile :-). The obnoxiousness of Flash fanboys has always been annoying, at least I won't hear "Flash gonna win GSL " chant for a while I'm pretty sure I've never ever seen a "Flash is going to win GSL" on this forum, ever. I've seen plenty for ForGG when everyone was hyping him up but that's about the extent of it for Kespa hype. I guess you weren't here during the KESPA transitional period, there was plenty of GSL hype for Flash, JD, Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Stork. It was the entire basis for the elephant article. BW S class players were just more 'talented' and they would dominate totally once they switched over. I think a lot of the anti Flash hate stems from the fact that he was THE elephant and Kespa fanboys weren't exactly friendly during the transition. Not sure if the grudge should be held for that long be hey, Protoss still refer back to the 1-1-1 era and GOMTvT as their defense in balance threads and that was way before the Kespa transition.
I don't know why you people keep referring to Intrigue's article let alone refer to it as only the S Class players? That's tunnel vision. Look at all the other guys who weren't those players and did well. The only substance in that article (and gee golly it's sort of obvious is the competition level goes up because you have these players-- not just the s class guys-- pushing the level of competition). It's a no brainer.
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On March 11 2014 07:44 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:50 vthree wrote:On March 10 2014 23:09 Caihead wrote:On March 10 2014 22:42 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 22:40 TheDwf wrote:On March 10 2014 22:38 redviper wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:49 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:47 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:44 sharkie wrote:
Flash = one matchup player Yeah cause losing a Bo1 Ace match vs a 72% PvT'er in this period for Terran is so terrible -.- Flash lost also to Stork lol Keep citing Bo1's. How about Flash dropping out of Code A? That wasn't a bo1. You mean like 10 other Terrans who had the level to be in Code S? On March 10 2014 22:38 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 22:36 TheDwf wrote:On March 10 2014 22:26 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:57 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 sharkie wrote:
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I can also cite Bo3s Flash lost to protoss ^^ Bomber lost 2-0 to Arthur but I'm not stupid/trollish enough to think that means much. Bomber gets the benefit of doubt because he has gotten results before. Flash is just a very good PL terran, nothing more and only good in TvZ in HOTS What does this even mean? You can say the same about TY... Yes, TY hasn't accomplished anything in ILs either. But no one calls TY god lol You know very well that this name comes from his BW accomplishments, not the SC2 ones... I do. I wish KT fans knew that as well. People keep expecting Flash to win GSLs (yes, multiple ones) and this is annoying. You do realize it's the casters hyping him up right, God is a nick name for Flash. Hell, Anytime was "Death God". Infact I haven't heard a single caster not refer to Flash as "God", so you might as well lump all of those people as KT/Flash fanboys too. On March 10 2014 22:49 mongmong wrote:
Flash losing always makes me smile :-). The obnoxiousness of Flash fanboys has always been annoying, at least I won't hear "Flash gonna win GSL " chant for a while I'm pretty sure I've never ever seen a "Flash is going to win GSL" on this forum, ever. I've seen plenty for ForGG when everyone was hyping him up but that's about the extent of it for Kespa hype. I guess you weren't here during the KESPA transitional period, there was plenty of GSL hype for Flash, JD, Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Stork. It was the entire basis for the elephant article. BW S class players were just more 'talented' and they would dominate totally once they switched over. I think a lot of the anti Flash hate stems from the fact that he was THE elephant and Kespa fanboys weren't exactly friendly during the transition. Not sure if the grudge should be held for that long be hey, Protoss still refer back to the 1-1-1 era and GOMTvT as their defense in balance threads and that was way before the Kespa transition. I don't know why you people keep referring to Intrigue's article let alone refer to it as only the S Class players? That's tunnel vision. Look at all the other guys who weren't those players and did well. The only substance in that article (and gee golly it's sort of obvious is the competition level goes up because you have these players-- not just the s class guys-- pushing the level of competition). It's a no brainer.
Even w/o that article, I half expected Flash to moonwalk his way to a GSL trophy with the way some posters are posting. That said, I'm bummed at his stagnation. Every form of entertainment thrives off star power and Flash is the biggest active name, not the mention a really cool dude.
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i think flash is doing great, others are just better and the competition is intense. (i.e. i actually expected super to beat him when i saw the ace picks, but he played a good game)
he also doesn't have the killer instinct. he plays well, macros insanely/hits insane timings, and doesn't kill.
hes not the best at engaging, his micro itself isn't as bad as it looks, its just that he doesn't engage well in general.
his sc1 style suits protoss for sure, i think he is slowly retooling his mindset to play terran. if he macroed 3 base protoss builds as well as he did his builds last night, he could 1a and manually control any templar and roll over anything Z/T had at that point in time. i guess a lategame pvp battle would require more micro and he might not adjust to that mu (and the earlygame mindfuck psychological battle) easily. his defensive powers are immaculate and he doesn't get to use any of them as terran.
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On March 11 2014 05:18 stuchiu wrote:
Maybe Vampires just hate telephone services?
Might be because he got screwed by both KT and SKT services before 
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On March 11 2014 07:44 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:50 vthree wrote:On March 10 2014 23:09 Caihead wrote:On March 10 2014 22:42 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 22:40 TheDwf wrote:On March 10 2014 22:38 redviper wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:49 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:47 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:44 sharkie wrote:
Flash = one matchup player Yeah cause losing a Bo1 Ace match vs a 72% PvT'er in this period for Terran is so terrible -.- Flash lost also to Stork lol Keep citing Bo1's. How about Flash dropping out of Code A? That wasn't a bo1. You mean like 10 other Terrans who had the level to be in Code S? On March 10 2014 22:38 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 22:36 TheDwf wrote:On March 10 2014 22:26 sharkie wrote:On March 10 2014 21:57 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2014 21:52 sharkie wrote:
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I can also cite Bo3s Flash lost to protoss ^^ Bomber lost 2-0 to Arthur but I'm not stupid/trollish enough to think that means much. Bomber gets the benefit of doubt because he has gotten results before. Flash is just a very good PL terran, nothing more and only good in TvZ in HOTS What does this even mean? You can say the same about TY... Yes, TY hasn't accomplished anything in ILs either. But no one calls TY god lol You know very well that this name comes from his BW accomplishments, not the SC2 ones... I do. I wish KT fans knew that as well. People keep expecting Flash to win GSLs (yes, multiple ones) and this is annoying. You do realize it's the casters hyping him up right, God is a nick name for Flash. Hell, Anytime was "Death God". Infact I haven't heard a single caster not refer to Flash as "God", so you might as well lump all of those people as KT/Flash fanboys too. On March 10 2014 22:49 mongmong wrote:
Flash losing always makes me smile :-). The obnoxiousness of Flash fanboys has always been annoying, at least I won't hear "Flash gonna win GSL " chant for a while I'm pretty sure I've never ever seen a "Flash is going to win GSL" on this forum, ever. I've seen plenty for ForGG when everyone was hyping him up but that's about the extent of it for Kespa hype. I guess you weren't here during the KESPA transitional period, there was plenty of GSL hype for Flash, JD, Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Stork. It was the entire basis for the elephant article. BW S class players were just more 'talented' and they would dominate totally once they switched over. I think a lot of the anti Flash hate stems from the fact that he was THE elephant and Kespa fanboys weren't exactly friendly during the transition. Not sure if the grudge should be held for that long be hey, Protoss still refer back to the 1-1-1 era and GOMTvT as their defense in balance threads and that was way before the Kespa transition. I don't know why you people keep referring to Intrigue's article let alone refer to it as only the S Class players? That's tunnel vision. Look at all the other guys who weren't those players and did well. The only substance in that article (and gee golly it's sort of obvious is the competition level goes up because you have these players-- not just the s class guys-- pushing the level of competition). It's a no brainer.
Because that article was the rallying cry of some of the Kespa fans during the transition. There was a lot of elephant pictures posted whenever a Kespa player won vs eSF. Of course it was a no brainer that competition level would be higher and a lot of the Kespa pros would do well. I don't think any eSF fans at that time was trying to say that eSF players would dominate Kespa. However, there was a pretty significant number of Kespa fans that predicted Code S would be 30/32 Kespa players in a few months. The peak of this came when Kespa players went on a big winning streak during the WCG qualifiers.
A lot of eSF fans didn't appreciate our favorite players being called garbage and dish washers.
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