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Loire
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore1358 Posts
December 31 2013 11:26 GMT
#501
On December 31 2013 20:26 WigglingSquid wrote:
I'm starting to regret picking Classic over ByuL, but I guess that it's still too early to say.


Not too sure if Classic would get as much play time as Byul though
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
December 31 2013 11:27 GMT
#502
Not sure how relevant a tech advantage for Dream was, Wolf put too much emphasis on that when the bigger story was the 2/2 of the roach/hydra vs the 1/1 of Dream. That wouldn't have mattered as much if it was LBM, because WM murder lings and banes, but its a game breaker with Roaches and Hydras.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
December 31 2013 11:27 GMT
#503
Been losing alot on ladder lately to this. Its so hard to judge how much stuff there actually is in a roach/hydra ball. You think you are fine but turns out he has way more than you thought
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
December 31 2013 11:27 GMT
#504
On December 31 2013 20:25 HolydaKing wrote:
wouldnt a few tanks be really helpful?


Against this style absolutely but Dream didn't recognize this style early enough and so now it's too little too late.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 31 2013 11:27 GMT
#505
On December 31 2013 20:25 HolydaKing wrote:
wouldnt a few tanks be really helpful?

Yep, this or pure bio; Mines are of little help beyond the 1/1 Speedroaches phase.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
December 31 2013 11:27 GMT
#506
On December 31 2013 20:23 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 20:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
Roach/Hydralisk in ZvT.

If we're going to see TvZ in Proleague may as well go all the way and make it absolutely ridiculous.

It's far from being ridiculous, 1/1 Speedroaches into 2/2 Roaches/hydras timings are deadly.


They are decent if your opponent plays as badly against it as Dream does.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 31 2013 11:27 GMT
#507
Dat taunt ! "Attacking my rocks? Time to upgrade my Spire!"
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
December 31 2013 11:27 GMT
#508
is byul the new proleague bonjwa?
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 31 2013 11:28 GMT
#509
Well this is over, even if it is roach/hydra

gj IM. Further missed opportunity with Byul ;;
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 31 2013 11:28 GMT
#510
dream, you cant cripple his economy anymore. :<
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
December 31 2013 11:28 GMT
#511
On December 31 2013 20:26 Derez wrote:
Dream refusing to build any tanks .


Sure, because that insane 7% attack speed increase make them a de-facto requirement in TvZ.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14462 Posts
December 31 2013 11:28 GMT
#512
On December 31 2013 20:27 Undead1993 wrote:
is byul the new proleague bonjwa?

Sora*
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LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
December 31 2013 11:28 GMT
#513
On December 31 2013 20:27 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 20:25 HolydaKing wrote:
wouldnt a few tanks be really helpful?

Yep, this or pure bio; Mines are of little help beyond the 1/1 Speedroaches phase.

I like the pure bio with a sh*t ton of medivacs more
Writer for Red bull (Fr) and Iron Squid (En/Fr) @ClemLeLfe on twitter
Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 11:29:05
December 31 2013 11:28 GMT
#514
Well atleast Dream doesn't have tanks to screw him over when the broodlords hit

Edit: bulding a tank now -.-
We know nothing.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 31 2013 11:28 GMT
#515
On December 31 2013 20:27 Undead1993 wrote:
is byul the new proleague bonjwa?


He's the next Flash.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 31 2013 11:28 GMT
#516
On December 31 2013 20:25 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 20:22 The_Templar wrote:
On December 31 2013 20:18 The_Templar wrote:
On December 31 2013 20:13 The_Templar wrote:
Proleague: MVP vs IM

(T)Dream vs (Z)ByuL
1-2


Map: Sejong Science Base


Dream spawns in the top left
ByuL spawns in the bottom right


2:00
Spawning pool followed by a hatchery for ByuL.
Dream getting a reaper followed by a CC.

3:00
Factory for Dream.
Some zerglings for Byul

4:00
Byul gets two queens.
Dream scouts the main and natural of Byul.

5:00
Dream taking a third CC in his main.
Reactor hellions for Dream.
Byul sees the third CC.

6:00 (T)Dream 45 vs (Z)ByuL 58
Stim for Dream.
Byul getting two evolution chambers and a lair.

7:00 (T)Dream 48 vs (Z)ByuL 58
Roach warren for Byul.
Dream getting a bunker.
+1/1 for Byul.
Starport for Dream.

8:00 (T)Dream 63 vs (Z)ByuL 76
Byul still on two bases.
8 roaches in production.
Dream getting two engineering bays.
Hellions being aggressive around the natural of Byul.

9:00 (T)Dream 78 vs (Z)ByuL 91
Byul taking a third base.
Byul moving out.
16 more roaches in production.

10:00 (T)Dream 90 vs (Z)ByuL 118
Overseer sees everything in the main.
Byul moving out with 1/1 roaches without speed.
Byul killing the rocks.
Byul charges into the natural and there are no bunkers on this side of the natural.
Dream pulling workers.

11:00 (T)Dream 80 vs (Z)ByuL 107
Lots of SCVs die but Dream has secured his third and is counter-harassing with hellions.
Byul droning up.

12:00 (T)Dream 93 vs (Z)ByuL 130
Dream dropping widow mines in Byul's natural.
Armory finishes for Dream.
Dream kills a queen in the middle of the map.
Drop in Byul's main.
Byul was attacking his own lair but fixed that.

13:00 (T)Dream 113 vs (Z)ByuL 152
Byul getting an infestation pit.
Byul has a lot of hydralisks and is going for Dream's third.
Hydralisk speed on the way.

14:00 (T)Dream 130 vs (Z)ByuL 178
Hive on the way for Byul.
Sensor tower for Dream.
Byul going for an attack!

15:00 (T)Dream 115 vs (Z)ByuL 167
Dream pulling SCVs to position his marines better.
Dream lost a lot of SCVs but pushed back the force.
Roach reinforcements kill even more SCVs and there's just a bit of bio left.

16:00 (T)Dream 80 vs (Z)ByuL 157
Marauders each have their own personal medivac.
Dream pushes back the push, just barely.

17:00 (T)Dream 95 vs (Z)ByuL 189
Dream going for a drop.
Dream clearing out creep.
Byul still making roaches.
Two infestors on the way.

18:00 (T)Dream 108 vs (Z)ByuL 198
Byul getting +3 attack and a spire.
Dream researching 3/3.
Byul fending off the drop with ease.

19:00 (T)Dream 121 vs (Z)ByuL 194
Byul getting a 5th base.
Dream runs a bio force into roach/hydra.
Dream trying to break the rocks at the natural.
Greater spire for Byul.

20:00 (T)Dream 108 vs (Z)ByuL 192
Drop gets denied by Byul.
4 corrupters for Byul.
Another drop for Dream.
Byul making a bunch of static defense.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 31 2013 11:28 GMT
#517
On December 31 2013 20:26 FFW_Rude wrote:
I never saw something like that working so well...

Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 20:26 TheDwf wrote:
On December 31 2013 20:23 FFW_Rude wrote:
On December 31 2013 20:22 TheDwf wrote:
On December 31 2013 20:20 FFW_Rude wrote:
Roach pressure ?

With upgrades ? Is he going hydra behind this ? Or infestor roach ?

Roaches/hydras, yes. There are also some mutas transitions, or lings/banes/roaches.


But roach hydra is not really good against terran no ? He's going to throw infestors after this ? Or SH (because upgrades) ? I feel infestor

If played as a timing, as ByuL does, it's good. The transition is either infests or Vipers (if there are Tanks), then generally ultras or broods.


But you won't have upgrades for ultra. So BL is more possible now ? (oh there's a spire)

Not the melee upgrades yes, but it's not as critical as they're used as meat shield; plus they still kill Marines in 2 shots even with 0 or 1 melee upgrade.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
December 31 2013 11:29 GMT
#518
On December 31 2013 20:27 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 20:23 TheDwf wrote:
On December 31 2013 20:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
Roach/Hydralisk in ZvT.

If we're going to see TvZ in Proleague may as well go all the way and make it absolutely ridiculous.

It's far from being ridiculous, 1/1 Speedroaches into 2/2 Roaches/hydras timings are deadly.


They are decent if your opponent plays as badly against it as Dream does.

Yeh, ByuL deliberately picked a terrible strategy hoping Dream would play very badly.

Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 31 2013 11:29 GMT
#519
Another lets wait 15 minutes longer than we should to win the game?!
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 11:30:31
December 31 2013 11:29 GMT
#520
On December 31 2013 20:28 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 20:27 Undead1993 wrote:
is byul the new proleague bonjwa?


He's the next Flash.


Be carefull now.....


ok dream is dead. Ha have no viking.

On December 31 2013 20:28 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 20:26 FFW_Rude wrote:
I never saw something like that working so well...

On December 31 2013 20:26 TheDwf wrote:
On December 31 2013 20:23 FFW_Rude wrote:
On December 31 2013 20:22 TheDwf wrote:
On December 31 2013 20:20 FFW_Rude wrote:
Roach pressure ?

With upgrades ? Is he going hydra behind this ? Or infestor roach ?

Roaches/hydras, yes. There are also some mutas transitions, or lings/banes/roaches.


But roach hydra is not really good against terran no ? He's going to throw infestors after this ? Or SH (because upgrades) ? I feel infestor

If played as a timing, as ByuL does, it's good. The transition is either infests or Vipers (if there are Tanks), then generally ultras or broods.


But you won't have upgrades for ultra. So BL is more possible now ? (oh there's a spire)

Not the melee upgrades yes, but it's not as critical as they're used as meat shield; plus they still kill Marines in 2 shots even with 0 or 1 melee upgrade.


Thanks to your explanation As i'm a bronze player it's cool to be sure that i see things well Sometimes i doubt myself. Even after seeing 500 or so vods :p
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