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[WCS EU] Group C Challenger Season 3 2013

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Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 18:24:00
October 15 2013 16:30 GMT
#1
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Wednesday, Oct 16 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Europe/Challenger
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kr (T)ForGG vs uk (Z)JonnyREcco
Starting map: Bel'Shir Vestige

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kr (P)Daisy vs se (Z)SortOf
Starting map: N/A

(Z)SortOf forfeited his spot due to a clash with Dreamhack qualifiers:

Rickard Bergman ‏@AllianceSortOf 14h
Ive decided to forfiet my Challenger group tomorrow, as I want to play the Dreamhack qualifier instead, sadly they are at the same time.




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+ Show Spoiler [Spoiler-Free] +
+ Show Spoiler [ForGG vs JonnyREcco] +
+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +
(T)ForGG <Bel'Shir Vestige> (Z)JonnyREcco

+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
(T)ForGG <Frost> (Z)JonnyREcco

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
(T)ForGG <> (Z)JonnyREcco

+ Show Spoiler [Daisy vs SortOf] +
(Z)SortOf forfeits.

+ Show Spoiler [Winners' Match] +
+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +
(P)Daisy <Akilon Wastes> (T)ForGG

+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
(P)Daisy <Whirlwind> (T)ForGG

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
(P)Daisy <Bel'Shir Vestige> (T)ForGG

+ Show Spoiler [Losers' Match] +
(Z)SortOf forfeits.

+ Show Spoiler [Final Match] +
+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +
(Z)JonnyREcco <Akilon Wastes> (T)ForGG

+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
(Z)JonnyREcco <Frost> (T)ForGG

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
(Z)JonnyREcco <> (T)ForGG


+ Show Spoiler [Overall Results] +

ForGG vs JonnyREcco
(T)ForGG <Bel'Shir Vestige> (Z)JonnyREcco
(T)ForGG <Frost> (Z)JonnyREcco
(T)ForGG <> (Z)JonnyREcco

(T)ForGG wins 2-0!

Daisy vs SortOf
(P)Daisy <> (Z)SortOf
(P)Daisy <> (Z)SortOf
(P)Daisy <> (Z)SortOf

(Z)SortOf forfeits.

Winners' Match
(P)Daisy <Akilon Wastes> (T)ForGG
(P)Daisy <Whirlwind> (T)ForGG
(P)Daisy <Bel'Shir Vestige> (T)ForGG

(P)Daisy wins 2-1!

Losers' Match
(Z)JonnyREcco <> (Z)SortOf
(Z)JonnyREcco <> (Z)SortOf
(Z)JonnyREcco <> (Z)SortOf

(Z)SortOf forfeits.

Final Match
(Z)JonnyREcco <Akilon Wastes> (T)ForGG
(Z)JonnyREcco <Frost> (T)ForGG
(Z)JonnyREcco <> (T)ForGG

(T)ForGG wins 2-0!

(P)Daisy and (T)ForGG advance.








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+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler [ForGG vs JonnyREcco] +

Poll: Recommend ForGG vs JonnyREcco Game 1?

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
67%

★★★ - Good game (1)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs JonnyREcco Game 1?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season


Poll: Recommend ForGG vs JonnyREcco Game 2?

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
33%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
 
33%

★★★ - Good game (1)
 
33%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs JonnyREcco Game 2?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season


Poll: Recommend ForGG vs JonnyREcco Game 3?

★★★ - Good game (1)
 
33%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
 
33%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs JonnyREcco Game 3?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season



+ Show Spoiler [Daisy vs SortOf] +


+ Show Spoiler [Winners' Match] +

Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
50%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
50%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season


Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?

★★★ - Good game (3)
 
100%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season


Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
67%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★ - Good game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season



+ Show Spoiler [Losers' Match] +


+ Show Spoiler [Final Match] +

Poll: Recommend Decider Game 1?

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
67%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
33%

★★★ - Good game (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Decider Game 1?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season


Poll: Recommend Decider Game 2?

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
50%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
25%

★★★ - Good game (1)
 
25%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Decider Game 2?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season


Poll: Recommend Decider Game 3?

★★★ - Good game (3)
 
60%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
 
20%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
 
20%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

5 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Decider Game 3?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season


"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 15 2013 16:31 GMT
#2
Poll: Who will advance?

ForGG & Daisy (4)
 
44%

ForGG & SortOf (3)
 
33%

ForGG & JonnyREcco (2)
 
22%

Daisy & SortOf (0)
 
0%

Daisy & JonnyREcco (0)
 
0%

SortOf & JonnyREcco (0)
 
0%

9 total votes

Your vote: Who will advance?

(Vote): ForGG & Daisy
(Vote): ForGG & SortOf
(Vote): ForGG & JonnyREcco
(Vote): Daisy & SortOf
(Vote): Daisy & JonnyREcco
(Vote): SortOf & JonnyREcco

"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 16:33:00
October 15 2013 16:32 GMT
#3
pssst- remove the red text at the top of the OP
Hoping (P)Daisy and (Z)JonnyREcco, expecting the other two.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 15 2013 16:38 GMT
#4
On October 16 2013 01:32 The_Templar wrote:
pssst- remove the red text at the top of the OP
Hoping (P)Daisy and (Z)JonnyREcco, expecting the other two.


Heh, thanks. I knew there was something I forgot
"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Sabre
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1086 Posts
October 16 2013 13:01 GMT
#5
Recco's ZvZ has looked pretty good of late, so I think he has a chance vs SortOf and I think he'll beat Daisy if they play. But ForGG is a tough first game
UK TrackMania Champion | Former SC2 player | http://www.twitter.com/Sabre_CS
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
October 16 2013 13:39 GMT
#6
sortof has forfeit :

Rickard Bergman ‏@AllianceSortOf 14h
Ive decided to forfiet my Challenger group tomorrow, as I want to play the Dreamhack qualifier instead, sadly they are at the same time.
RIP MKP
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 14:26 GMT
#7
On October 16 2013 22:39 shid0x wrote:
sortof has forfeit :

Show nested quote +
Rickard Bergman ‏@AllianceSortOf 14h
Ive decided to forfiet my Challenger group tomorrow, as I want to play the Dreamhack qualifier instead, sadly they are at the same time.


Cheers for the info, added to OP. Shame that he can't play, but I guess with the reshuffle coming next year there just isn't as much incentive. Although, as I read it (which could be wrong) blizzard hasn't explicitly stated that challenger this year won't feed directly into next year. Still, easy to see how Dreamhack takes priority.
"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 16 2013 14:34 GMT
#8
Come on ForGG!!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 14:35:22
October 16 2013 14:34 GMT
#9
>_< SortOf forfeits while Daisy on Twitter implies he might play 3 tournaments at once (this, DH qualifier and ESET qualifier).
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 14:42 GMT
#10
On October 16 2013 23:34 ZAiNs wrote:
>_< SortOf forfeits while Daisy on Twitter implies he might play 3 tournaments at once (this, DH qualifier and ESET qualifier).

Yeah... not sure whats going to happen with that as he then said
이종혁 ‏@WWDaisy 1h

@LiquipediaNet @Yubickon @NaNiwaSC2 ((( damn !!! i hope liquidpia wrong :p


If he forfiets as well will the other two just get the walkover, or will ESL reschedule?
"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
October 16 2013 14:49 GMT
#11
On October 16 2013 23:42 Quantum314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 23:34 ZAiNs wrote:
>_< SortOf forfeits while Daisy on Twitter implies he might play 3 tournaments at once (this, DH qualifier and ESET qualifier).

Yeah... not sure whats going to happen with that as he then said
Show nested quote +
이종혁 ‏@WWDaisy 1h

@LiquipediaNet @Yubickon @NaNiwaSC2 ((( damn !!! i hope liquidpia wrong :p


If he forfiets as well will the other two just get the walkover, or will ESL reschedule?


I'm actually hoping for a reschedule. I wonder why they can't just out 2 groups in 1 day as they did in season 2 it would solve this. Anyway, gl to the 3 players today if Daisy decide to play.
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
October 16 2013 16:07 GMT
#12
SortOf informed me last night that he would forfeit this challenger group.

We've heard nothing about Daisy, he spoke to me last night and didn't mention anything.
Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
October 16 2013 16:16 GMT
#13
I'll laugh so hard if Daisy has to forfeit.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 16:19 GMT
#14
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs JonnyREcco Game 1?

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
67%

★★★ - Good game (1)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs JonnyREcco Game 1?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season

"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 16:40 GMT
#15
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs JonnyREcco Game 2?

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
33%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
 
33%

★★★ - Good game (1)
 
33%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs JonnyREcco Game 2?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season

"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 16:40 GMT
#16
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs JonnyREcco Game 3?

★★★ - Good game (1)
 
33%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
 
33%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs JonnyREcco Game 3?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season

"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 16:40 GMT
#17
The oh so familiar TvZ playout. Good effort by JonnyREcco, but ForGG is just in another class.
"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 17:05 GMT
#18
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
50%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
50%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season

"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 16 2013 17:13 GMT
#19
Let's go Daisy! Finish him!
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 17:19:16
October 16 2013 17:19 GMT
#20
Nice hold by ForGG, now lets have a longer game 3 so I can watch him do nice things with hellbat-marauder!!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 17:22 GMT
#21
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?

★★★ - Good game (3)
 
100%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season

"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 17:28:53
October 16 2013 17:28 GMT
#22
ForGG with the greedy 3rd CC.

edit: this is going to be interesting versus blink stalker... lol
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45227 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 17:48:37
October 16 2013 17:30 GMT
#23
Regardless of whether Daisy or ForGG wins this game, I'm thinking that the loser will take second. Both players are looking pretty solid compared to JohnnyREcco.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 17:33:54
October 16 2013 17:32 GMT
#24
Uhem, HOW MANY WORKERS KILLED AGAIN O_O? Okay, to final match now, ForGG way too behind.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 17:32 GMT
#25
On October 17 2013 02:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Regardless of whether Daisy or ForGG wins this game, I'm thinking that the loser will take second. Both players are looking pretty solid compared to JohnnyREcco and SortOf.


Especially with SortOf not playing, who personally I think would have been favoured against JonnyREcco. Although saying that JonnyREcco does have really good zvz. Still, all academic!
"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 16 2013 17:38 GMT
#26
Where is angry marine fan club!?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 17:39 GMT
#27
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
67%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★ - Good game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season

"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8693 Posts
October 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#28
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 16 2013 17:42 GMT
#29
On October 17 2013 02:40 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.

Angry Marine deserves a fan club with how stupid it looks for a Terran to lose a game.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
October 16 2013 17:43 GMT
#30
On October 17 2013 02:40 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.


Well i don't think he would beat him in a macro game tho. He went for 3 cheeses or allin in all the games.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
October 16 2013 17:43 GMT
#31
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


ForGG played greedy and daisy chose to do a timing attack that ignores bunkers.

Unfortunate but not really imbalanced.
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Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8693 Posts
October 16 2013 17:43 GMT
#32
On October 17 2013 02:42 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:40 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.

Angry Marine deserves a fan club with how stupid it looks for a Terran to lose a game.


I don't see a point in it, but go nuts. Maybe it will become a thing. (Probably not.)
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 16 2013 17:44 GMT
#33
On October 17 2013 02:43 iaguz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


ForGG played greedy and daisy chose to do a timing attack that ignores bunkers.

Unfortunate but not really imbalanced.

Yeah, i perfectly understand why he lost. I am just angry at marines getting fried. And 24 scvs disappearing (he did not pull that much, did he!?).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8693 Posts
October 16 2013 17:45 GMT
#34
On October 17 2013 02:43 HugzForL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:40 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.


Well i don't think he would beat him in a macro game tho. He went for 3 cheeses or allin in all the games.


What did he do in the 2 games before, just tuned in for the game on Bel Shir. And yea, I too think ForGG is the better player. Though if you don't scout properly and are greedy on top...
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 17:46 GMT
#35
On October 17 2013 02:45 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:43 HugzForL wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:40 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.


Well i don't think he would beat him in a macro game tho. He went for 3 cheeses or allin in all the games.


What did he do in the 2 games before, just tuned in for the game on Bel Shir. And yea, I too think ForGG is the better player. Though if you don't scout properly and are greedy on top...


DT drops
"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8693 Posts
October 16 2013 17:48 GMT
#36
On October 17 2013 02:44 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:43 iaguz wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


ForGG played greedy and daisy chose to do a timing attack that ignores bunkers.

Unfortunate but not really imbalanced.

Yeah, i perfectly understand why he lost. I am just angry at marines getting fried. And 24 scvs disappearing (he did not pull that much, did he!?).


He did not pull them, he basically threw them right into a meatgrinder a.k.a a lot of blink stalkers.

maybe you should open the "angry lolfail9001" Fanclub...
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8693 Posts
October 16 2013 17:48 GMT
#37
On October 17 2013 02:46 Quantum314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:45 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:43 HugzForL wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:40 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.


Well i don't think he would beat him in a macro game tho. He went for 3 cheeses or allin in all the games.


What did he do in the 2 games before, just tuned in for the game on Bel Shir. And yea, I too think ForGG is the better player. Though if you don't scout properly and are greedy on top...


DT drops


kk thank you.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 16 2013 17:49 GMT
#38
On October 17 2013 02:48 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:44 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:43 iaguz wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


ForGG played greedy and daisy chose to do a timing attack that ignores bunkers.

Unfortunate but not really imbalanced.

Yeah, i perfectly understand why he lost. I am just angry at marines getting fried. And 24 scvs disappearing (he did not pull that much, did he!?).


He did not pull them, he basically threw them right into a meatgrinder a.k.a a lot of blink stalkers.

maybe you should open the "angry lolfail9001" Fanclub...

Still, i did not notice there being a whole 24 scvs (even considering Daisy may have picked up 4 more it is still 20, too much to throw to be real IMO).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
October 16 2013 17:58 GMT
#39
JonnyRecco is getting outclassed by ForGG., not pretty to watch
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 17:59 GMT
#40
Poll: Recommend Decider Game 1?

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
67%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
33%

★★★ - Good game (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Decider Game 1?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season

"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
orangeorange
Profile Joined October 2012
134 Posts
October 16 2013 17:59 GMT
#41
On October 17 2013 02:48 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:46 Quantum314 wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:45 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:43 HugzForL wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:40 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.


Well i don't think he would beat him in a macro game tho. He went for 3 cheeses or allin in all the games.


What did he do in the 2 games before, just tuned in for the game on Bel Shir. And yea, I too think ForGG is the better player. Though if you don't scout properly and are greedy on top...


DT drops


kk thank you.


There were no DTs in game 2, it was a failed 2 base blink colossus all-in.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
October 16 2013 18:00 GMT
#42
On October 17 2013 02:46 Quantum314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:45 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:43 HugzForL wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:40 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.


Well i don't think he would beat him in a macro game tho. He went for 3 cheeses or allin in all the games.


What did he do in the 2 games before, just tuned in for the game on Bel Shir. And yea, I too think ForGG is the better player. Though if you don't scout properly and are greedy on top...


DT drops


Game 1 ForGG tried this weird move where he pulled 5 scvs and tried to bunker rush daisy who opened gate core fe before units. He had opened 1 rax fe you see. The bunker went up but the nexus cannon and some stalkers threw forgg back. Daisy was kind of ahead so he went into DT drops which did huge damage and left forgg floundering.

game 2 forgg went cc first into normal bio timings, though with a few less marauders and a faster armoury timing. Daisy did a 1/1 blink stalker colossus timing that barely got held but after forgg held it was a comfortable win. Upgrade advantage, 3 orbitals and marauders. Delicious.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 18:06:31
October 16 2013 18:05 GMT
#43
On October 17 2013 02:46 Quantum314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:45 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:43 HugzForL wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:40 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.


Well i don't think he would beat him in a macro game tho. He went for 3 cheeses or allin in all the games.


What did he do in the 2 games before, just tuned in for the game on Bel Shir. And yea, I too think ForGG is the better player. Though if you don't scout properly and are greedy on top...


DT drops


forgg doesn't scout, its his biggest problem. i've talked with him about his tvz a lot (this is back in maybe 2012) and his build (forgg 111 bansheehellion no cloaking) is designed to be played blindly. Now he scouts more, but he said back then its because powering is so important in this game, you might as well not even scout (espc tvz and tvp where no one was attacking terran early )
he tries to think of the possibilities of his opponents and makes his build safe against them in most cases. unfortunately HOTS has made this game totally random and coinflip so you can't safely rax fe and prepare for an oracle blindly without dying to something else. sc2 balance is bad for forgg because he is a terran robot, wol terran to weak and he had bad results. now in hots its impossible to play safe against everything which is why more upsets are happening and players are doing badly in TvP the most unpredictable of all matchups.
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 18:08 GMT
#44
On October 17 2013 02:59 orangeorange wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:48 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:46 Quantum314 wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:45 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:43 HugzForL wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:40 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.


Well i don't think he would beat him in a macro game tho. He went for 3 cheeses or allin in all the games.


What did he do in the 2 games before, just tuned in for the game on Bel Shir. And yea, I too think ForGG is the better player. Though if you don't scout properly and are greedy on top...


DT drops


kk thank you.


There were no DTs in game 2, it was a failed 2 base blink colossus all-in.


Sorry, misread as "what did he do 2 games before"
"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8693 Posts
October 16 2013 18:13 GMT
#45
On October 17 2013 03:00 iaguz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 02:46 Quantum314 wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:45 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:43 HugzForL wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:40 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.


Well i don't think he would beat him in a macro game tho. He went for 3 cheeses or allin in all the games.


What did he do in the 2 games before, just tuned in for the game on Bel Shir. And yea, I too think ForGG is the better player. Though if you don't scout properly and are greedy on top...


DT drops


Game 1 ForGG tried this weird move where he pulled 5 scvs and tried to bunker rush daisy who opened gate core fe before units. He had opened 1 rax fe you see. The bunker went up but the nexus cannon and some stalkers threw forgg back. Daisy was kind of ahead so he went into DT drops which did huge damage and left forgg floundering.

game 2 forgg went cc first into normal bio timings, though with a few less marauders and a faster armoury timing. Daisy did a 1/1 blink stalker colossus timing that barely got held but after forgg held it was a comfortable win. Upgrade advantage, 3 orbitals and marauders. Delicious.


Thank you very much! Now if I only knew the maps as well...

Though I think game 1 would fit Akilon pretty well and game 2 Frost. Or something along those lines.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 18:16 GMT
#46
On October 17 2013 03:13 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 03:00 iaguz wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:46 Quantum314 wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:45 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:43 HugzForL wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:40 Doublemint wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Where is angry marine fan club!?


That would be legit if Terran wouldn't win something for a long time you know. Like Protoss with the sad Zealots.

Did not think Daisy would be able to beat ForGG though, kinda surprised.


Well i don't think he would beat him in a macro game tho. He went for 3 cheeses or allin in all the games.


What did he do in the 2 games before, just tuned in for the game on Bel Shir. And yea, I too think ForGG is the better player. Though if you don't scout properly and are greedy on top...


DT drops


Game 1 ForGG tried this weird move where he pulled 5 scvs and tried to bunker rush daisy who opened gate core fe before units. He had opened 1 rax fe you see. The bunker went up but the nexus cannon and some stalkers threw forgg back. Daisy was kind of ahead so he went into DT drops which did huge damage and left forgg floundering.

game 2 forgg went cc first into normal bio timings, though with a few less marauders and a faster armoury timing. Daisy did a 1/1 blink stalker colossus timing that barely got held but after forgg held it was a comfortable win. Upgrade advantage, 3 orbitals and marauders. Delicious.


Thank you very much! Now if I only knew the maps as well...

Though I think game 1 would fit Akilon pretty well and game 2 Frost. Or something along those lines.


Akilon and Whirlwind. They're in the OP in the results section. So you got 50% right
"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45227 Posts
October 16 2013 18:17 GMT
#47
JR's apparently never played against widow mines before, lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
October 16 2013 18:18 GMT
#48
On October 17 2013 03:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
JR's apparently never played against widow mines before, lol.

Haha, looks like it!
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Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#49
Poll: Recommend Decider Game 2?

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
50%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
25%

★★★ - Good game (1)
 
25%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Decider Game 2?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season

"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
October 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#50
Poll: Recommend Decider Game 3?

★★★ - Good game (3)
 
60%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
 
20%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
 
20%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

5 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Decider Game 3?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season

"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
October 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#51
Widow mines yo
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3380 Posts
October 16 2013 18:21 GMT
#52
If JR would remember to bring overseers with mutas he would have a decent shot at that second game.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
October 16 2013 18:22 GMT
#53
On October 17 2013 03:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
JR's apparently never played against widow mines before, lol.



Yeah his Muta control wasnt good, losing whole clumps of Muta like that is suicidal. Untill he fixes that part of his game he is going to be screwed in TvZ
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