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[MLG] Day 2 Spring Championships 2013 - Page 214

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simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
June 30 2013 01:16 GMT
#4261
so what happens when two racepickers play each other

and each of them wont play any matchups that they choose?...
byah!
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
June 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#4262
On June 30 2013 10:15 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:14 LighT. wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:13 VAGZ wrote:
When is Nani vs Polt happening?

As soon as Gumiho stops walking around like a retard.


What? Gumiho isn't in this tournament.

It's just a small shot at Naniwa
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#4263
On June 30 2013 10:16 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:14 Proseat wrote:
Come on, HerO! Pull the root!


Wow just noticed that HerO is Liquid's lone representation in this tournament.

My how the times have changed.

everyone else is still hungover from Homestory Cup VII
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
June 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#4264
On June 30 2013 10:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Xenocider vs theognis (Stream A) and Illusion vs Yugioh (Stream C) have started for people interested in those games


Nice! Illusion vs Yugioh should be good.
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
June 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#4265
On June 30 2013 10:16 BronzeKnee wrote:
I hate to be "that guy" but are the streams incredibly laggy for anyone else?

I have a Gold Membership, and now I'm down to 360, never had this problem with MLG before.

I am not complaining, just wondering if it is me or not.


360/480 stuttered massively for me, but 720 works fine.
Daogin
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada2308 Posts
June 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#4266
FALCON PUUUUUNCH
Leenoctopus <3, master of foreign events.
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
June 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#4267
lol bubbles taking out a bunch of mediocre players doesnt really say anything

lets see him take on a real opponent
connoisseur
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#4268
On June 30 2013 10:15 DamageControL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:10 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:08 DamageControL wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:04 TTOMZ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:03 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:01 TTOMZ wrote:
I think this Catz thing is silly and people are being silly, is Catz even considered a pro player anymore? I see him more as an acting manager you could say, playing for moral support

Coach Park is playing in this MLG right? So imagine if he'd got paired with an EG or TL player in his first game. Do you think he would have played vs them? No he's of forfeited his place. He's playing for fun and if he ever ran into an EG or TL player he would simple give them the bye

I see Catz as being in the same situation


Of course he would have played. This also does not even attempt to evaluate the actual issue. Just "its fine because Catz sucks"? That is not a good reason.


When did i say Catz sucks? I said he's not seen as a pro player anymore. He doesn't play to win major tournements be plays for moral support for his team

And its the exact same situation


Again no actual points here. Catz isnt a pro therefore its ok. That is NOT RELEVANT.

Why is it a problem? Or rather, in what world is "throwing matches" avoidable?

People say rushing probes is unacceptable. I think how we handled the NaNi incident was bad. You can't force someone to try.

You say it "hurts the integrity of the tournament." How? What's the impact? What harm does it do to the tournament? There will not be sudden rash of people throwing games--there are a fairly unique set of circumstances where it's beneficial to both parties.


Answer my questions above please.

LG-IM all 4 semi finalists, forfeit to give MVP the win. Fine?

Its not a unique set of circumstances. There is nothing unique about it. It is a principle. Either its acceptable or not. Black and white.

You can't force someone to try. But you can disqualify them if you think they didn't try deliberately in order to influence the outcome.

1. Yes it's fine.
2. You keep saying it's acceptable or not, black or white. I'm saying it's fine. You're saying it's not. But you aren't substantiating your claim. You keep claiming IT'S NEVER OK. I believe that it is fine for two reasons: a) it's unenforceable (Catz can suddenly and inexplicably show up late, etc.) b) I don't see what's wrong with it ethically.
3. What's the threshold for effort there? Do we keep a magic effort meter somewhere?
4. You still haven't answered my question: what happens that is so bad here?


it is enforceable. You can disqualify if you have evidence it was done deliberately.

Ethically it is not acceptable because he has given a team mate a free pass. He didn't have to play a match in the tournament. They have manipulated the brackets to their advantage and affected the integrity of the whole tournament.

Do you think what Savior did is fine?
Red and yellow are all I see
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#4269
On June 30 2013 10:14 Hryul wrote:
ruut ruut ruut!


Stop, you're going to summon Sage into Germany.
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Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
June 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#4270
On June 30 2013 10:16 BronzeKnee wrote:
I hate to be "that guy" but are the streams incredibly laggy for anyone else?

I have a Gold Membership, and now I'm down to 360, never had this problem with MLG before.

I am not complaining, just wondering if it is me or not.

Then consider yourself lucky
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
June 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#4271
On June 30 2013 10:16 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:14 Proseat wrote:
Come on, HerO! Pull the root!


Wow just noticed that HerO is Liquid's lone representation in this tournament.

My how the times have changed.


[image loading]
월요 날 재미있
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#4272
On June 30 2013 10:16 simmeh wrote:
so what happens when two racepickers play each other

and each of them wont play any matchups that they choose?...


They both have to go random.
Red and yellow are all I see
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 30 2013 01:17 GMT
#4273
Bubbles vs KawaiiRice on NASL just starting
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TL+ Member
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
June 30 2013 01:18 GMT
#4274
On June 30 2013 10:15 Loxley wrote:
Grubby losing


no surprise there, Grubby's PvT is pretty bad
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 01:22:03
June 30 2013 01:18 GMT
#4275
On June 30 2013 10:16 Tannex wrote:
I missed most of game 1 between Hero and Sage, could anyone give a quick recap?

sage proxy stargate at top left corner, Hero doesn't scout.
Then Hero harasses Sage and enters his base with msc, stalker, zeal, which triggers the sole oracle to enter hero's base. It turns out that sage gets the better end of the trade workerlike. (oracle kills like 7 workers)
Hero techs to blinkstalkers
Sage techs to dt. sends in 1. kills probes.
sage expands behind it.
there you go.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
P7GAB
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada486 Posts
June 30 2013 01:18 GMT
#4276
On June 30 2013 10:16 BronzeKnee wrote:
I hate to be "that guy" but are the streams incredibly laggy for anyone else?

I have a Gold Membership, and now I'm down to 360, never had this problem with MLG before.

I am not complaining, just wondering if it is me or not.

fine for me
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
June 30 2013 01:18 GMT
#4277
On June 30 2013 10:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:15 DamageControL wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:10 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:08 DamageControL wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:04 TTOMZ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:03 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:01 TTOMZ wrote:
I think this Catz thing is silly and people are being silly, is Catz even considered a pro player anymore? I see him more as an acting manager you could say, playing for moral support

Coach Park is playing in this MLG right? So imagine if he'd got paired with an EG or TL player in his first game. Do you think he would have played vs them? No he's of forfeited his place. He's playing for fun and if he ever ran into an EG or TL player he would simple give them the bye

I see Catz as being in the same situation


Of course he would have played. This also does not even attempt to evaluate the actual issue. Just "its fine because Catz sucks"? That is not a good reason.


When did i say Catz sucks? I said he's not seen as a pro player anymore. He doesn't play to win major tournements be plays for moral support for his team

And its the exact same situation


Again no actual points here. Catz isnt a pro therefore its ok. That is NOT RELEVANT.

Why is it a problem? Or rather, in what world is "throwing matches" avoidable?

People say rushing probes is unacceptable. I think how we handled the NaNi incident was bad. You can't force someone to try.

You say it "hurts the integrity of the tournament." How? What's the impact? What harm does it do to the tournament? There will not be sudden rash of people throwing games--there are a fairly unique set of circumstances where it's beneficial to both parties.


Answer my questions above please.

LG-IM all 4 semi finalists, forfeit to give MVP the win. Fine?

Its not a unique set of circumstances. There is nothing unique about it. It is a principle. Either its acceptable or not. Black and white.

You can't force someone to try. But you can disqualify them if you think they didn't try deliberately in order to influence the outcome.

1. Yes it's fine.
2. You keep saying it's acceptable or not, black or white. I'm saying it's fine. You're saying it's not. But you aren't substantiating your claim. You keep claiming IT'S NEVER OK. I believe that it is fine for two reasons: a) it's unenforceable (Catz can suddenly and inexplicably show up late, etc.) b) I don't see what's wrong with it ethically.
3. What's the threshold for effort there? Do we keep a magic effort meter somewhere?
4. You still haven't answered my question: what happens that is so bad here?


it is enforceable. You can disqualify if you have evidence it was done deliberately.

Ethically it is not acceptable because he has given a team mate a free pass. He didn't have to play a match in the tournament. They have manipulated the brackets to their advantage and affected the integrity of the whole tournament.

Do you think what Savior did is fine?


Inappropriate analogy

Dude, get it over it.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 30 2013 01:18 GMT
#4278
On June 30 2013 10:17 Loxley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:16 c0ldfusion wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:14 Proseat wrote:
Come on, HerO! Pull the root!


Wow just noticed that HerO is Liquid's lone representation in this tournament.

My how the times have changed.


[image loading]


Yah, people are already forgetting homestory cup which ended less than a week ago ~_~ the other members of the team are busy on the other side of the world.
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
June 30 2013 01:19 GMT
#4279
The game on the C stream looks pretty good. I love watching yugioh (play as zerg... not the cards)
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 30 2013 01:19 GMT
#4280
On June 30 2013 10:16 BronzeKnee wrote:
I hate to be "that guy" but are the streams incredibly laggy for anyone else?

I have a Gold Membership, and now I'm down to 360, never had this problem with MLG before.

I am not complaining, just wondering if it is me or not.

I have some lag on 1080p+, but 720p is smooth here. As the chat is not going crazy I'm going to say that most people are not having bad lag. However Twitch are known to have regional issues and you may have been connected to some bad server or something, so maybe it is not you. In case you haven't tried, try the obvious like refreshing.
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