• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:00
CEST 23:00
KST 06:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play2Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon35.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes2Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch2[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)98
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Grayware Tech Services: Professional Help for Cryp ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
ProGamer Paychecks Story BW General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
[94721]Better Good-Health Signs Than 3-15 Bans/Yea TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13380 users

[ATC] Karont3 vs Axiom, Week 3 - Page 5

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
April 13 2013 14:37 GMT
#81
On April 13 2013 23:36 Jotoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:29 Jotoco wrote:
Vortix is so far behind now...

I don't know what he can do


Well, a fungal on ALL Voids and a crazy surround seems like a good start.



But still not enough
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
April 13 2013 14:39 GMT
#82
On April 13 2013 23:37 Jotoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:36 Jotoco wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:29 Jotoco wrote:
Vortix is so far behind now...

I don't know what he can do


Well, a fungal on ALL Voids and a crazy surround seems like a good start.



But still not enough


it was too late, if he had some infestors with his attack on Crank's fourth it might have very well changed the game. Vortix was behind from his initial roach attack. Crank earned his win
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 13 2013 14:39 GMT
#83
Oh god Crank, that game was so awful by him. If he hadn't been carried by the incredible early game lead all game long, this would have ended quite differently. He tried to throw the game at so many points in time.

I thought the game against MaNa last time where he lost after giving away an almost unloseable lead had taught him a lesson but apparently not
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
April 13 2013 14:39 GMT
#84
If he just double expanded while adding a handful more infestors, I think he should be better.

Crank would have added a lot of ground units that were not very good (few upgrades) and wasted a lot of supply on a 200/200 fight later on.

But good games. GG.
Andorson
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany166 Posts
April 13 2013 14:40 GMT
#85
GG Axiom! Well played.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-13 16:16:28
April 13 2013 16:00 GMT
#86
Sorry I could not cast this, but I did make TakeTV aware of that a week in advance. I cannot cast matches that are starting at 8am EST, that's just not reasonable, I work later into the night because it's quieter then. I hope next weeks matches will be at later times.

Also the team apologizes for scrappy play but apparently they had awful lag.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 13 2013 16:06 GMT
#87
It's always matches with Korean teams that start so early, so I assumed they were scheduling it this way to accomodate Koreans so they can start the match at 9PM KST instead of 11PM or midnight.

I think you do get better games when the players are not tired.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
April 13 2013 16:27 GMT
#88
On April 14 2013 01:06 StarVe wrote:
It's always matches with Korean teams that start so early, so I assumed they were scheduling it this way to accomodate Koreans so they can start the match at 9PM KST instead of 11PM or midnight.

I think you do get better games when the players are not tired.


Yes I agree, I'd rather have the qualitiy of a cast suffer than the quality of the games, due to tiredness. But I also don't think TB should have to stay up at 8am after working all night. So I Think Take.TV just has to get more EU casters on board.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
April 13 2013 16:58 GMT
#89
On April 14 2013 01:27 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 01:06 StarVe wrote:
It's always matches with Korean teams that start so early, so I assumed they were scheduling it this way to accomodate Koreans so they can start the match at 9PM KST instead of 11PM or midnight.

I think you do get better games when the players are not tired.


Yes I agree, I'd rather have the qualitiy of a cast suffer than the quality of the games, due to tiredness. But I also don't think TB should have to stay up at 8am after working all night. So I Think Take.TV just has to get more EU casters on board.

I don't think they have to. They already coordinate a teamleague played online and broadcasted live with teams from around the globe. That's enough coordination already.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
April 13 2013 17:15 GMT
#90
On April 14 2013 01:58 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 01:27 Musicus wrote:
On April 14 2013 01:06 StarVe wrote:
It's always matches with Korean teams that start so early, so I assumed they were scheduling it this way to accomodate Koreans so they can start the match at 9PM KST instead of 11PM or midnight.

I think you do get better games when the players are not tired.


Yes I agree, I'd rather have the qualitiy of a cast suffer than the quality of the games, due to tiredness. But I also don't think TB should have to stay up at 8am after working all night. So I Think Take.TV just has to get more EU casters on board.

I don't think they have to. They already coordinate a teamleague played online and broadcasted live with teams from around the globe. That's enough coordination already.


Haha, no of course they don't have to, they are doing a great job already and I am not ordering them around. But it's what they have to do, if they want more viewers consistently and better sponsor exposure. I think Acer and Intel would not mind 10k people more watching. And to some extent, it's TakeTv's job to give their sponsor as much exposure as possible. So it's more about what they should do I guess.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
April 13 2013 17:59 GMT
#91
On April 14 2013 02:15 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 01:58 grs wrote:
On April 14 2013 01:27 Musicus wrote:
On April 14 2013 01:06 StarVe wrote:
It's always matches with Korean teams that start so early, so I assumed they were scheduling it this way to accomodate Koreans so they can start the match at 9PM KST instead of 11PM or midnight.

I think you do get better games when the players are not tired.


Yes I agree, I'd rather have the qualitiy of a cast suffer than the quality of the games, due to tiredness. But I also don't think TB should have to stay up at 8am after working all night. So I Think Take.TV just has to get more EU casters on board.

I don't think they have to. They already coordinate a teamleague played online and broadcasted live with teams from around the globe. That's enough coordination already.


Haha, no of course they don't have to, they are doing a great job already and I am not ordering them around. But it's what they have to do, if they want more viewers consistently and better sponsor exposure. I think Acer and Intel would not mind 10k people more watching. And to some extent, it's TakeTv's job to give their sponsor as much exposure as possible. So it's more about what they should do I guess.

Yes, that is perfectly true. I just think it is already a great feat. As far as I know, this is the first team league that is able to broadcast online games live and that's really awesome. There is always room for improvement though
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-13 18:03:36
April 13 2013 17:59 GMT
#92
On April 14 2013 01:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Sorry I could not cast this, but I did make TakeTV aware of that a week in advance. I cannot cast matches that are starting at 8am EST, that's just not reasonable, I work later into the night because it's quieter then. I hope next weeks matches will be at later times.

Also the team apologizes for scrappy play but apparently they had awful lag.

I certainly hope no one here blames YOU for not being able to cast this!

I find it unfortunate that there was no alternate (in part because I've let Dennis know I could help out in cases just like today). Also Nathanias would wake up at just about any time for the chance to cast too.

On April 14 2013 02:59 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 02:15 Musicus wrote:
On April 14 2013 01:58 grs wrote:
On April 14 2013 01:27 Musicus wrote:
On April 14 2013 01:06 StarVe wrote:
It's always matches with Korean teams that start so early, so I assumed they were scheduling it this way to accomodate Koreans so they can start the match at 9PM KST instead of 11PM or midnight.

I think you do get better games when the players are not tired.


Yes I agree, I'd rather have the qualitiy of a cast suffer than the quality of the games, due to tiredness. But I also don't think TB should have to stay up at 8am after working all night. So I Think Take.TV just has to get more EU casters on board.

I don't think they have to. They already coordinate a teamleague played online and broadcasted live with teams from around the globe. That's enough coordination already.


Haha, no of course they don't have to, they are doing a great job already and I am not ordering them around. But it's what they have to do, if they want more viewers consistently and better sponsor exposure. I think Acer and Intel would not mind 10k people more watching. And to some extent, it's TakeTv's job to give their sponsor as much exposure as possible. So it's more about what they should do I guess.

Yes, that is perfectly true. I just think it is already a great feat. As far as I know, this is the first team league that is able to broadcast online games live and that's really awesome. There is always room for improvement though


Yeah, I've been very impressed with how well this league has been going so far (at least from a spectator).

Unless you're getting someone like TB to cast you're not going to be adding 10k viewers :D
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-13 18:16:22
April 13 2013 18:15 GMT
#93
As y0su mentioned it's about balance. I can get a big audience and you also need to consider the audience you can get naturally by having it at a more US friendly time. It is of course extremely difficult to find a time that is comfortable for everyone, but I know our guys are more than willing to play late at night, their sleeping schedules are setup for that anyway. We need sponsor ROI to make the league successful and so far at least when I've been casting that has been happening. The numbers are REALLY strong. Last Saturday I pulled 15k concurrents on the English stream alone, that's really big for an online team league, that's stronger than IPTLs regular week to week tournament was, significantly stronger. I can't really think of any online league that can pull that off and we're pulling it regularly. Combining the other streams you have a HUGE amount of concurrents.

So the balance is difficult but essential. If you want more views you've gotta make sure it's at a good time.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
April 13 2013 18:34 GMT
#94
After the clanwar I sent a PM to an organizer with the suggestion to setup a wiki/shared Google Docs page to coordinate the broadcast better. Who is planned to be the caster for a language, who is possibly there as a replacement? Is the caster really there (check-in)? Who makes a Reddit thread, who makes LR? It's better to have that in a central place than all over Skype conversations (not sure if this is the case currently, but it appeared to be so when Rotti was jumping in halfway through a clanwar).
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-13 18:42:33
April 13 2013 18:42 GMT
#95
I really feel this is all overthinking it. There is already more than enough coordination involved in the production. Either the casters join in or they don't. More coordination leads to more chaos in this case: people coming late, dropping, etc. The event is awesome, there is no need for me to go with a "we need every viewer in any case to promote esports". Sure there is sponsors and financial interest involved, but if you compare Take's events to others, the more laid back while still professional approach seems to be more successful than the sometimes overthought ones from bigger organizations.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 13 2013 19:00 GMT
#96
On April 14 2013 03:42 grs wrote:
I really feel this is all overthinking it. There is already more than enough coordination involved in the production. Either the casters join in or they don't. More coordination leads to more chaos in this case: people coming late, dropping, etc. The event is awesome, there is no need for me to go with a "we need every viewer in any case to promote esports". Sure there is sponsors and financial interest involved, but if you compare Take's events to others, the more laid back while still professional approach seems to be more successful than the sometimes overthought ones from bigger organizations.

I disagree a bit, obviously it's fine for us because we speak German and TaKeTV already stream every match since it's their own cup, but I can absolutely understand viewers from other countries who really want an English stream for every single match because that's just the way SC2 works right now.

Having a replacement caster when the designated ones can't make it doesn't make the tournament less laid-back, it just makes it more convenient for everyone.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46140 Posts
April 13 2013 20:59 GMT
#97
Not really surprised by the score; good job Axiom!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Bombastic Starleague
20:00
GosuLeague Ro16 - Swiss
ZZZero.O113
LiquipediaDiscussion
RSL Revival
17:00
S6 Europe Server Qualifier
SteadfastSC485
TKL 297
IndyStarCraft 112
EnkiAlexander 66
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 697
SteadfastSC 485
TKL 297
Railgan 114
IndyStarCraft 112
SpeCial 84
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 113
Aegong 36
Purpose 9
Bale 5
Dota 2
Gorgc5030
singsing2629
XcaliburYe126
Counter-Strike
fl0m1593
Super Smash Bros
PPMD51
Other Games
summit1g6102
Grubby3347
FrodaN1020
shahzam629
Beastyqt541
mouzStarbuck253
C9.Mang0217
UpATreeSC52
JuggernautJason25
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream322
Other Games
BasetradeTV203
StarCraft 2
angryscii 12
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 85
• musti20045 15
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 22
• RayReign 10
• FirePhoenix9
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie898
• Shiphtur354
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
3h 1m
Kung Fu Cup
14h 1m
Replay Cast
1d 3h
CrankTV Team League
1d 14h
Bombastic Starleague
1d 23h
The PondCast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
HomeStory Cup
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-29
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.