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On January 12 2013 08:07 Canucklehead wrote:
People talk about goswser having prepared builds and sniping mvp, but when the skill difference is that great, sniping shouldn't be possible or even matter. Back in bw a foreigner could map hack against flash if he wanted to and he still wouldn't be able to beat him. It's just disappointing to see, which is why a lot of people have a problem with it.
And if his physical problems are as bad as the evidence suggests, the skill difference isn't great enough to matter.
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tt Mvp
Hopefully we see w/e zerg nerf blizzard ends up with before GSL starts.
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People are judging the situation by Mvp's previous skill level, not his current play. Keep in mind, that the 2 Protoss he beat last season in Code A to make it back to Code S both finished last place in their up-and-down groups.
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On January 12 2013 08:01 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 07:58 Sumahi wrote:
Ever since Parting left Startale I don't really want him to win. I hope Nestea advances over him in the next set of matches. Why?
Allow us StarTale fans to be bitter for a few months, okay. ._.
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On January 12 2013 08:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 08:07 Canucklehead wrote:
People talk about goswser having prepared builds and sniping mvp, but when the skill difference is that great, sniping shouldn't be possible or even matter. Back in bw a foreigner could map hack against flash if he wanted to and he still wouldn't be able to beat him. It's just disappointing to see, which is why a lot of people have a problem with it. And if his physical problems are as bad as the evidence suggests, the skill difference isn't great enough to matter.
bang on.
also, simply put. there isn't much of a skill gap yet anyway.
BW had 10 years for the Koreans to break away from the pack.
come back in 10 years and see if the best players are losing to some b team foreigner.
You're simply comparing two very different beasts.
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damn, 3-0? really? ugh how lame
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I don't understand the balance whine MVP a few months ago was owning people before the infestor nerf. Hell during the match gowser made a total of 0 broodlords and max 10 infestors a game. MVP is injured, gowser has been working his ass off, and anyone who watched the games could clearly see the choice of strats were totally in gowser's favor. This is SC after all MVP tomorrow could 3-0 gowser and no one would mention a thing. It is only when an upset that had all the right things for the underdog fall into place that everyone jumps in uproar for nothing.
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On January 12 2013 08:07 Canucklehead wrote:
People talk about goswser having prepared builds and sniping mvp, but when the skill difference is that great, sniping shouldn't be possible or even matter. Back in bw a foreigner could map hack against flash if he wanted to and he still wouldn't be able to beat him. It's just disappointing to see, which is why a lot of people have a problem with it.
So you choose to be disappointed by a guy that spent the holidays in France, an ocean away from his family, in a country where he doesn't have a lot of friends so that he could have a shot at beating a wonderful player - though diminished. It's easy to scream patchzerg but to even think goswser isn't working his ass off to make it to the top is very condescending.
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On January 12 2013 09:12 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 08:07 Canucklehead wrote:
People talk about goswser having prepared builds and sniping mvp, but when the skill difference is that great, sniping shouldn't be possible or even matter. Back in bw a foreigner could map hack against flash if he wanted to and he still wouldn't be able to beat him. It's just disappointing to see, which is why a lot of people have a problem with it. So you choose to be disappointed by a guy that spent the holidays in France, an ocean away from his family, in a country where he doesn't have a lot of friends so that he could have a shot at beating a wonderful player - though diminished. It's easy to scream patchzerg but to even think goswser isn't working his ass off to make it to the top is very condescending.
People complain when no foreigners are beating koreans, then they complain when they do.
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On January 12 2013 09:12 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 08:07 Canucklehead wrote:
People talk about goswser having prepared builds and sniping mvp, but when the skill difference is that great, sniping shouldn't be possible or even matter. Back in bw a foreigner could map hack against flash if he wanted to and he still wouldn't be able to beat him. It's just disappointing to see, which is why a lot of people have a problem with it. So you choose to be disappointed by a guy that spent the holidays in France, an ocean away from his family, in a country where he doesn't have a lot of friends so that he could have a shot at beating a wonderful player - though diminished. It's easy to scream patchzerg but to even think goswser isn't working his ass off to make it to the top is very condescending.
Leave the France part out. That ruins your argument so much, at least to Americans. I'm not sure if you know.. but spending holidays in France is kind of normal and considered amazing to most Americans (even if we hate French people). I get what you're saying but god it sounded so awful and funny to me.
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On January 12 2013 06:02 TeeTS wrote:
goswser simply outclassed MVP. has nothing to do with balance, he is just a far better player. I wonder how he would do in Code S.
Really?
Really?
Theres being a fan, and then theres just being an obnoxious troll
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On January 12 2013 09:55 ILuMiNaTe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 06:02 TeeTS wrote:
goswser simply outclassed MVP. has nothing to do with balance, he is just a far better player. I wonder how he would do in Code S. Really? Really? Theres being a fan, and then theres just being an obnoxious troll
It's called a joke
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On January 12 2013 08:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 08:07 Canucklehead wrote:
People talk about goswser having prepared builds and sniping mvp, but when the skill difference is that great, sniping shouldn't be possible or even matter. Back in bw a foreigner could map hack against flash if he wanted to and he still wouldn't be able to beat him. It's just disappointing to see, which is why a lot of people have a problem with it. And if his physical problems are as bad as the evidence suggests, the skill difference isn't great enough to matter.
You have any idea how many Korean Terrans Goswser has beaten? It's a lot more than just MVP.
But, all in all I agree with the guy you quoted.
Foreign vs Korean TvT and TvP are the only matchups you can predict with confidence anymore. Even if a player's skill is unrivaled by the other's-- Bomber vs Scarlett, Gumiho vs Vortix, Roro vs idra, or Grubby vs MC for example-- you can't blindly bet on the more skilled player like you could in BW.
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS LIFE AND MKP WON
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On January 12 2013 10:38 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 08:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 12 2013 08:07 Canucklehead wrote:
People talk about goswser having prepared builds and sniping mvp, but when the skill difference is that great, sniping shouldn't be possible or even matter. Back in bw a foreigner could map hack against flash if he wanted to and he still wouldn't be able to beat him. It's just disappointing to see, which is why a lot of people have a problem with it. And if his physical problems are as bad as the evidence suggests, the skill difference isn't great enough to matter. You have any idea how many Korean Terrans Goswser has beaten? It's a lot more than just MVP. But, all in all I agree with the guy you quoted. Foreign vs Korean TvT and TvP are the only matchups you can predict with confidence anymore. Even if a player's skill is unrivaled by the other's-- Bomber vs Scarlett, Gumiho vs Vortix, Roro vs idra, or Grubby vs MC for example-- you can't blindly bet on the more skilled player like you could in BW.
better player wins 100% of the time is a bullshit theory that should NEVER EVER happen, the underdog factor is what makes games interesting, as both players have enough chances to win that it wont be a 1sided landslide
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On January 12 2013 10:38 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 08:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 12 2013 08:07 Canucklehead wrote:
People talk about goswser having prepared builds and sniping mvp, but when the skill difference is that great, sniping shouldn't be possible or even matter. Back in bw a foreigner could map hack against flash if he wanted to and he still wouldn't be able to beat him. It's just disappointing to see, which is why a lot of people have a problem with it. And if his physical problems are as bad as the evidence suggests, the skill difference isn't great enough to matter. You have any idea how many Korean Terrans Goswser has beaten? It's a lot more than just MVP. But, all in all I agree with the guy you quoted. Foreign vs Korean TvT and TvP are the only matchups you can predict with confidence anymore. Even if a player's skill is unrivaled by the other's-- Bomber vs Scarlett, Gumiho vs Vortix, Roro vs idra, or Grubby vs MC for example-- you can't blindly bet on the more skilled player like you could in BW.
And there were upsets in BW. Didn't M18M beat Flash in PL?
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On January 12 2013 08:16 sitromit wrote:
People are judging the situation by Mvp's previous skill level, not his current play. Keep in mind, that the 2 Protoss he beat last season in Code A to make it back to Code S both finished last place in their up-and-down groups.
Yup. But looking at his condition during the GOM year end awards and his game play in Season 5, WEM, Blizzard Cup, and Iron Squid, I am not sure how much Mvp has been able to practice since his finals vs Life. He kind of dodged a bullet in Code A in that he probably got one of the weakest brackets.
Hopefully, he has been taking his time to have some rest and treatment on his wrists.
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We've now seen everything.
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On January 12 2013 08:07 Canucklehead wrote:
People talk about goswser having prepared builds and sniping mvp, but when the skill difference is that great, sniping shouldn't be possible or even matter. Back in bw a foreigner could map hack against flash if he wanted to and he still wouldn't be able to beat him. It's just disappointing to see, which is why a lot of people have a problem with it.
Why is it dissapointing to see a foreigner beat a korean?
This is a actually a good thing from a competitive point of view
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