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Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
November 17 2012 09:09 GMT
#6381
So will this end the "foreigners can't keep up with Koreans" bullshit?
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18776 Posts
November 17 2012 09:09 GMT
#6382
why are we watching cutscenes of WoL in 2012?
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
November 17 2012 09:09 GMT
#6383
Babyknight's micro is really, really good. I'm not surprised he can win a PvP against Rain.
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
November 17 2012 09:09 GMT
#6384
On November 17 2012 18:07 Astro-Penguin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 17:55 X3GoldDot wrote:
On November 17 2012 17:54 Astro-Penguin wrote:
On November 17 2012 17:53 MangoMountain wrote:
On November 17 2012 17:52 shabby wrote:
On November 17 2012 17:48 Astro-Penguin wrote:
That looks like 50% of my PvP losses....


You should stop fast expanding in PvP then.

Or remember to FF


Yeah its kind of amazing how blind sided people are, I don't mean to be elitist or anything but fast expand is the most solid build you can do in PvP. Missing a FF has nothing to do with how good a build is.


fast expanding most solid build my ass lol, its probably the least solid build and most greedy one at that..... you only fast expand if you scout a robo......


Fast expansions can defend every single build in the current meta game on maps where blink observer is weak, It is by no means greedy as you say. Word of advice, don't scout their base in PvP (Only scout for proxies) as the information you get from a probe scout is completely irrelevant. The extra influx of minerals you get allows you to just play blindly and in conjunction this allows you to efficiently defend both early aggression and latter tech oriented all ins.The advantage you get from fast expand basically gives you free wins/advantages vs both Phoenix/Robo macro plays.

The specific version of fast expand that Rain did is basically willing to sacrifice the nexus, the timings of his units allow him to defend any sort of gateway push that dosen't over commit on killing the nexus. In the scenario that he cannot hold the nexus he simply cancels it and has a huge advantage with quicker tech as the aggressor is committing a vast amount of his resources that only correlates into forcing a nexus cancel. (FF should prevent him from outright killing you)

Not sure what league you are in but in no scenario should you ever be able to reactively fast expand after scouting a Robo considering they should never let your probe see it to begin with.


i am masters in NA only, but it still counts, also, i am saying its only 100% safe to expand once you see the robo or the opponent's nexus, doesnt mean you would normally see it. Also, 4 gate will insta kill a fast expanding player, so does a pure blink allin, this is why pvp is so coinflippy, mostly because you cant scout
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
November 17 2012 09:09 GMT
#6385
On November 17 2012 18:06 ACrow wrote:
Hai Tasteless


What did Tasteless say?
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
November 17 2012 09:09 GMT
#6386
Idra and Stephano delaying the game to plan out how Stephano can play to loose to let Idra advance and then Stephano will take out HerO again to advance =P
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 17 2012 09:09 GMT
#6387
There's almost no one in the crowd.

Either China paid about 2,000 people to show up to the opening ceremony and then leave, or they came for free shit, got it, and then went to go watch the cosplayers at the event.
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Desiire
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia191 Posts
November 17 2012 09:09 GMT
#6388
Lets go IdrA lets go!
#AllKingsMustDieButHeIsAGod
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
November 17 2012 09:09 GMT
#6389
On November 17 2012 18:06 rj rl wrote:
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On November 17 2012 18:03 Corrosive wrote:
On November 17 2012 18:02 rj rl wrote:
sc2, the game of allins, fucking joke. Might be a better story if more terrans advanced.

"oh no the player i wanted to win didn't win sc2 is a fucking joke"

and how am i hearing it from an eg supporter? Wasn't you supposed to fanboy idra atm? I neither care about this tournament, nor about sc2 itself, but rain 0-2 bk is a joke indeed.

idk what you're even saying
Maruprime.
NikaLogy
Profile Joined September 2012
Denmark58 Posts
November 17 2012 09:10 GMT
#6390
why cant we vote for BBK vs Rain as the biggest upset?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
November 17 2012 09:10 GMT
#6391
On November 17 2012 18:08 Sumahi wrote:
I hope Curious crushes Major quickly and moves on. He's got to advance and then die fall out of the tournament in bewildering style later!

Haha he's already played rather bewilderingly anyway, wouldn't be much of a jump.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
November 17 2012 09:10 GMT
#6392
On November 17 2012 18:09 Fionn wrote:
There's almost no one in the crowd.

Either China paid about 2,000 people to show up to the opening ceremony and then leave, or they came for free shit, got it, and then went to go watch the cosplayers at the event.


Probably at the super exciting wow pvp ^_~
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
November 17 2012 09:10 GMT
#6393
On November 17 2012 18:09 Havik_ wrote:
So will this end the "foreigners can't keep up with Koreans" bullshit?


was never bullshit in the first place, just 1 even showing for foreigners and people are calling foreigners equal to koreans, when theres more than 20 tournaments where mid code S -code A players beat top foreigners.
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 17 2012 09:11 GMT
#6394
On November 17 2012 18:09 Havik_ wrote:
So will this end the "foreigners can't keep up with Koreans" bullshit?

One tournament that went differently doesn't simply erase what has been going on for the last 2 thousand years.
Cackle™
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
November 17 2012 09:11 GMT
#6395
So since people can tell who they will face, does this mean we'll get to see some Olympic Badminton style SC2 soon?
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 17 2012 09:11 GMT
#6396
On November 17 2012 18:09 silent_owl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 18:06 ACrow wrote:
Hai Tasteless

What did Tasteless say?

Idra and Stephano are disgusting.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
November 17 2012 09:11 GMT
#6397
I hope they both try to lose this :D
SWayne
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany6 Posts
November 17 2012 09:11 GMT
#6398
The streams only lagging plus massive technical problems. What a fail event.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
November 17 2012 09:11 GMT
#6399
On November 17 2012 18:11 VirgilSC2 wrote:
So since people can tell who they will face, does this mean we'll get to see some Olympic Badminton style SC2 soon?

what?
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 09:12:19
November 17 2012 09:11 GMT
#6400
This is why you shouldn't do predetermined brackets. Since there are no seeds, it doesn't make any sense to do this anyway.
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