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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
November 06 2012 10:43 GMT
#681
Entombed, good map for Seed, I've rarely seen him lose on it, and he has a deadly assortment of builds and timings he can hit on this map.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Hiea
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark1538 Posts
November 06 2012 10:43 GMT
#682
On November 06 2012 19:42 TheBB wrote:
Group F

      MarineKing: 72.421%
      Seed: 47.565%
      Sniper: 45.795%
      sHy: 34.220%


Can you explain this? I've been confused by this for some time now.
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
November 06 2012 10:44 GMT
#683
On November 06 2012 19:43 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 19:42 Maloreon wrote:
Waiting for whining from Protoss about Infestor on that one... even though Seed completely got outplayed/screwed up. Good old LR threads.


Waiting for someone to whine about whiners before they whined. Oh wait..


You have to pre-empt them and find the humor in it - otherwise they win! LOL
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 10:45:12
November 06 2012 10:44 GMT
#684
On November 06 2012 19:43 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 19:31 opterown wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:30 phyre112 wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:24 opterown wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:23 Maloreon wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:20 silent_owl wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:19 phyre112 wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:14 Destructicon wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:12 Laryleprakon wrote:
I hope we see the new Finale build 30 voidrays and somehow beat 40 infestor strat we saw today vs Hyun.


Probably wrong thread, and 30 void rays will never in a million years beat 40 infestors.

Anyway, go go Seed, definitely my favorite Protoss (yes even more so then Rain).


He's saying he hopes to see seed use void rays.

And since you apparently didn't watch fight club, Hyun made 19 broods, 38 infestors and 5 corruptors in game 4. He lost to like 20 voids, 4 collossi and a dozen archons, plus stalker warp-ins, Finale lost none of the voids, and only two of the collossi, then went on to roll over Hyun.


That is interesting actually. I haven't seen any pros use Voids in a WHILE. I mean, not in the way they used to during the colossus void deathball era.


Funny I've been told so many time the last few weeks by Toss that you absolutely 100% can't beat late game Hive tech armies... I've always been pretty sure a proper VR based lategame deathball can (as well as some Terran armies). We're talking 30 minutes of turtle fest godmode macro and defense though and not many want to try it I guess. I can only hope.

fungal + corruptors + IT will defeat voids pretty easily


You say this, but there's specific evidence of a game where it didn't happen.

The voids went unscouted until there were 20 of them, and then between them and the collossi, every time an IT egg went down it was instantly killed. 40 infestors worth of energy. Sure, fungal alone probably could have done it given enough time, but that's different, and it doesn't apply in the situation that Hyun was in.

honestly haha if you allow a protoss to get 20 voids, you deserve to lose lol


honestly haha if you allow a Zerg to get 20 broods and 40 infestors you deserve to lose lol

see what I did there?

zerg turtle is much stronger than protoss turtle imo, infestors are great utility in any number, and broods are a natural progression, whereas voids need upgrades, which are kinda out of the way to get. they also suck in small numbers
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
November 06 2012 10:44 GMT
#685
On November 06 2012 19:43 Mikelius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 19:42 Jehct wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:41 AbuntuGuntu wrote:
Is anybody elses stream getting really pixelated?

GSL - GLOBAL STANDARD


Seed had engagements that looked bad even in my platinum play...

I think the +1 blink stalker all-in is big in the platinum meta, too. Seed really mixing up his play >_>
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
Nisyax
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Netherlands756 Posts
November 06 2012 10:44 GMT
#686
On November 06 2012 19:43 Destructicon wrote:
Entombed, good map for Seed, I've rarely seen him lose on it, and he has a deadly assortment of builds and timings he can hit on this map.


That's why he probably picked it
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
November 06 2012 10:44 GMT
#687
I wonder if Seed will do his cmpletely predictable 3 nexus crap here
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
November 06 2012 10:45 GMT
#688
On November 06 2012 19:42 Maloreon wrote:
Waiting for whining from Protoss about Infestor on that one... even though Seed completely got outplayed/screwed up. Good old LR threads.

Not necessary to say that Seed got completely outplayed when a one second error was what cost him the game.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
November 06 2012 10:45 GMT
#689
Poor MKP, I hope the "Kong Pacino" nickname won't stick, though if he gets a couple more silvers and no GSLs he'll probably overshadow even Yellow.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
November 06 2012 10:45 GMT
#690
On November 06 2012 19:42 Maloreon wrote:
Waiting for whining from Protoss about Infestor on that one... even though Seed completely got outplayed/screwed up. Good old LR threads.


haven't seen protoss whine because of just infestors midgame. It's the broodlord/infestor combo that nullifies every possible movement that people have been complaining about.
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
November 06 2012 10:45 GMT
#691
On November 06 2012 19:43 Destructicon wrote:
Entombed, good map for Seed, I've rarely seen him lose on it, and he has a deadly assortment of builds and timings he can hit on this map.

Translation: he'll get an 8 minute third and make blink stalkers, like he always does on this map
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
November 06 2012 10:45 GMT
#692
it doesn't happen enough, but people HAVE used seed's predictability on this map against him ;/
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
November 06 2012 10:46 GMT
#693
Is artosis working out with Khaldor?

That's probably the most entertaining thing that's been on the stream all day.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 10:46:39
November 06 2012 10:46 GMT
#694
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=2321&part=games&vs=Z&league=any&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=2&from_day=8&to_year=2012&to_month=10&to_day=25&action=Update#tblt-4787-1-default-0-entombed

such a great PvZ winrate on entombed, 12-2
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
sicueft
Profile Joined June 2012
United States130 Posts
November 06 2012 10:46 GMT
#695
40+ minute game that ends with vortex incoming
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
November 06 2012 10:46 GMT
#696
On November 06 2012 19:44 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 19:43 phyre112 wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:31 opterown wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:30 phyre112 wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:24 opterown wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:23 Maloreon wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:20 silent_owl wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:19 phyre112 wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:14 Destructicon wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:12 Laryleprakon wrote:
I hope we see the new Finale build 30 voidrays and somehow beat 40 infestor strat we saw today vs Hyun.


Probably wrong thread, and 30 void rays will never in a million years beat 40 infestors.

Anyway, go go Seed, definitely my favorite Protoss (yes even more so then Rain).


He's saying he hopes to see seed use void rays.

And since you apparently didn't watch fight club, Hyun made 19 broods, 38 infestors and 5 corruptors in game 4. He lost to like 20 voids, 4 collossi and a dozen archons, plus stalker warp-ins, Finale lost none of the voids, and only two of the collossi, then went on to roll over Hyun.


That is interesting actually. I haven't seen any pros use Voids in a WHILE. I mean, not in the way they used to during the colossus void deathball era.


Funny I've been told so many time the last few weeks by Toss that you absolutely 100% can't beat late game Hive tech armies... I've always been pretty sure a proper VR based lategame deathball can (as well as some Terran armies). We're talking 30 minutes of turtle fest godmode macro and defense though and not many want to try it I guess. I can only hope.

fungal + corruptors + IT will defeat voids pretty easily


You say this, but there's specific evidence of a game where it didn't happen.

The voids went unscouted until there were 20 of them, and then between them and the collossi, every time an IT egg went down it was instantly killed. 40 infestors worth of energy. Sure, fungal alone probably could have done it given enough time, but that's different, and it doesn't apply in the situation that Hyun was in.

honestly haha if you allow a protoss to get 20 voids, you deserve to lose lol


honestly haha if you allow a Zerg to get 20 broods and 40 infestors you deserve to lose lol

see what I did there?

zerg turtle is much stronger than protoss turtle imo, infestors are great utility in any number, and broods are a natural progression


Weird arguments. Just b/c Zerg turtle is stronger (debatable, depends on what stage of the game we're talking about, its probably defensible for any race to turtle honestly) doesn't mean Protoss can't. The argument was you act like Protoss are somehow just going to fall over and die to 20 lings while the Zerg races to hive. VR's have their uses too so its not an entirely unnatural progression. Theorycrafting at this point is kind of dumb, lets watch the season and see if anyone replicates the build.
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
November 06 2012 10:46 GMT
#697
cross spots arent relly better on this map for zerg imho, as the main push from 3 base protoss is almost always on the zerg's 4th (which is closer to the protoss on crossed)
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
November 06 2012 10:46 GMT
#698
On November 06 2012 19:45 Mandalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 19:42 Maloreon wrote:
Waiting for whining from Protoss about Infestor on that one... even though Seed completely got outplayed/screwed up. Good old LR threads.


haven't seen protoss whine because of just infestors midgame. It's the broodlord/infestor combo that nullifies every possible movement that people have been complaining about.

You have not been into LR threads often then
Hiea
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark1538 Posts
November 06 2012 10:46 GMT
#699
On November 06 2012 19:45 Waxangel wrote:
it doesn't happen enough, but people HAVE used seed's predictability on this map against him ;/


I predict Seed to do something completely different from his standard 3 base play.
Hiea
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark1538 Posts
November 06 2012 10:47 GMT
#700
On November 06 2012 19:46 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 19:45 Mandalor wrote:
On November 06 2012 19:42 Maloreon wrote:
Waiting for whining from Protoss about Infestor on that one... even though Seed completely got outplayed/screwed up. Good old LR threads.


haven't seen protoss whine because of just infestors midgame. It's the broodlord/infestor combo that nullifies every possible movement that people have been complaining about.

You have not been into LR threads often then


I think its more versus terrans that people don't like infestors midgame?
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