Go MKP, NesTea, Mvp and I dont really care who wins the last one!
I voted for MKP, NesTea, BaBy and MC though. The first two games are hard to call because both MKP and JangBi didnt look great in their first games and NesTea looked bad against fantasy, but hes nestea.
Kespa players fighting! Especially Jangbi because he's the only one I can picture possibly losing!
And really we can't budge Jangbi from one miss click losing him the game when his play in proleague has been very good. He shouldn't be a pushover for MKP at all.
Please win at least this game MKP so you're at least in contention >.> so heartbreaking after last week. for other games I went with nestea, baby, and mc
On September 04 2012 09:38 Maghetti wrote: Did people not see Baby completely trash MVP just the other day 2-0? lol
Watching that game made me fear MVP was completly over the hill. He got completly dismantled.
BaBy is the biggest elephant today, can't see him losing to MVP unless MVP cheeses him out.
Well BaBy did get really ahead in the early game because either Mvp didnt scout well, BaBy studied his scouting patterns or BaBy got lucky, im just really curious to see them play a long macro game.
MC will probably beat San, but who knows with pvp.
Baby trashed MVP the other day, but it's still MVP so I'll take a faith vote and go with the game genie.
I've never seen Last play, but I've completely lost faith in Nestea's ZvT as of late and he did nothing against Fantasy last week to make me change my mind :/.
On September 04 2012 09:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I've never seen Last play, but I've completely lost faith in Nestea's ZvT as of late and he did nothing against Fantasy last week to make me change my mind :/.
I've seen too many atrocities to believe anymore. Hundreds of innocent drones murdered by wicked marines due to 1-a syndrome. A map starved of creep. And where was Nestea in all this?!
On September 04 2012 10:06 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: ^ won't help :/
I've seen too many atrocities to believe anymore. Hundreds of innocent drones murdered by wicked marines due to 1-a syndrome. A map starved of creep. And where was Nestea in all this?!
Because Nestea is a false God. The one true God doesn't play until the 4th day of OSL.
On September 04 2012 10:06 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: ^ won't help :/
I've seen too many atrocities to believe anymore. Hundreds of innocent drones murdered by wicked marines due to 1-a syndrome. A map starved of creep. And where was Nestea in all this?!
Because Nestea is a false God. The one true God doesn't play until the 4th day of OSL.
You ever seen game of thrones? There are new and old gods. Some believe in Flash, some believe in NesTea, its just the same, just a preference.
On September 04 2012 10:06 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: ^ won't help :/
I've seen too many atrocities to believe anymore. Hundreds of innocent drones murdered by wicked marines due to 1-a syndrome. A map starved of creep. And where was Nestea in all this?!
Because Nestea is a false God. The one true God doesn't play until the 4th day of OSL.
You ever seen game of thrones? There are new and old gods. Some believe in Flash, some believe in NesTea, its just the same, just a preference.
Good thing this isn't Game of Thrones and there are true and false gods
On September 04 2012 10:06 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: ^ won't help :/
I've seen too many atrocities to believe anymore. Hundreds of innocent drones murdered by wicked marines due to 1-a syndrome. A map starved of creep. And where was Nestea in all this?!
Because Nestea is a false God. The one true God doesn't play until the 4th day of OSL.
You ever seen game of thrones? There are new and old gods. Some believe in Flash, some believe in NesTea, its just the same, just a preference.
Good thing this isn't Game of Thrones and there are true and false gods
On September 04 2012 09:38 Maghetti wrote: Did people not see Baby completely trash MVP just the other day 2-0? lol
Watching that game made me fear MVP was completly over the hill. He got completly dismantled.
BaBy is the biggest elephant today, can't see him losing to MVP unless MVP cheeses him out.
Well BaBy did get really ahead in the early game because either Mvp didnt scout well, BaBy studied his scouting patterns or BaBy got lucky, im just really curious to see them play a long macro game.
Game 1 of WCG was a long macro game and MVP got completely dismantled.
baby did play rather badly in the playoffs though, wonder if Mvp didn't play strongly in WCG to hide strats/his true strength til tonight (osl >>>>> wcg)
On September 04 2012 09:38 Maghetti wrote: Did people not see Baby completely trash MVP just the other day 2-0? lol
Watching that game made me fear MVP was completly over the hill. He got completly dismantled.
BaBy is the biggest elephant today, can't see him losing to MVP unless MVP cheeses him out.
Well BaBy did get really ahead in the early game because either Mvp didnt scout well, BaBy studied his scouting patterns or BaBy got lucky, im just really curious to see them play a long macro game.
Game 1 of WCG was a long macro game and MVP got completely dismantled.
Didnt he do something gimmicky in the early game and got ahead though?
On September 04 2012 09:38 Maghetti wrote: Did people not see Baby completely trash MVP just the other day 2-0? lol
Watching that game made me fear MVP was completly over the hill. He got completly dismantled.
BaBy is the biggest elephant today, can't see him losing to MVP unless MVP cheeses him out.
Well BaBy did get really ahead in the early game because either Mvp didnt scout well, BaBy studied his scouting patterns or BaBy got lucky, im just really curious to see them play a long macro game.
Game 1 of WCG was a long macro game and MVP got completely dismantled.
Didnt he do something gimmicky in the early game and got ahead though?
In game 2 Baby did. In game 1 baby played straight macro with no cheese.
On September 04 2012 09:38 Maghetti wrote: Did people not see Baby completely trash MVP just the other day 2-0? lol
Watching that game made me fear MVP was completly over the hill. He got completly dismantled.
BaBy is the biggest elephant today, can't see him losing to MVP unless MVP cheeses him out.
Well BaBy did get really ahead in the early game because either Mvp didnt scout well, BaBy studied his scouting patterns or BaBy got lucky, im just really curious to see them play a long macro game.
Game 1 of WCG was a long macro game and MVP got completely dismantled.
lol, G1 was an aggressive build from MVP that got shutdown hard by Baby and Baby was way ahead. The rest was just a 10 minute death animation. Calling it a long macro game is basically calling the DRG-Jangbi game a long macro game.
On September 04 2012 09:38 Maghetti wrote: Did people not see Baby completely trash MVP just the other day 2-0? lol
Watching that game made me fear MVP was completly over the hill. He got completly dismantled.
BaBy is the biggest elephant today, can't see him losing to MVP unless MVP cheeses him out.
Well BaBy did get really ahead in the early game because either Mvp didnt scout well, BaBy studied his scouting patterns or BaBy got lucky, im just really curious to see them play a long macro game.
Game 1 of WCG was a long macro game and MVP got completely dismantled.
lol, G1 was an aggressive build from MVP that got shutdown hard by Baby and Baby was way ahead. The rest was just a 10 minute death animation. Calling it a long macro game is basically calling the DRG-Jangbi game a long macro game.
It was a macro game compared to game 2. And baby didn't expand for the longest time during MVP's build, although he had a second orbital. Also, even though one player was behind that "doesn't" mean that it "wasn't" a macro game. Because it clearly was.
On September 04 2012 09:38 Maghetti wrote: Did people not see Baby completely trash MVP just the other day 2-0? lol
Watching that game made me fear MVP was completly over the hill. He got completly dismantled.
BaBy is the biggest elephant today, can't see him losing to MVP unless MVP cheeses him out.
Well BaBy did get really ahead in the early game because either Mvp didnt scout well, BaBy studied his scouting patterns or BaBy got lucky, im just really curious to see them play a long macro game.
Game 1 of WCG was a long macro game and MVP got completely dismantled.
lol, G1 was an aggressive build from MVP that got shutdown hard by Baby and Baby was way ahead. The rest was just a 10 minute death animation. Calling it a long macro game is basically calling the DRG-Jangbi game a long macro game.
It was a macro game compared to game 2. And baby didn't expand for the longest time during MVP's build, although he had a second orbital. Also, even though one player was behind that "doesn't" mean that it "wasn't" a macro game. Because it clearly was.
But it wasn't a long macro game that Mvp got completely dismantled... That would imply that Mvp was beatened in the macro phase which was not true. Basically Mvp stayed in the game to see if Baby would make a huge mistake. It would be like zergs failing a roach rush or baneling bust and then transitioning to 3 bases. Sure, the game might get to 3 bases but these is little chance for comeback.
JangBi < MarineKing mkp beat parting in the gstl at ipl 4 NesTea < Last nestea lost to fantasy so his zvt isnt that good Mvp < BaBy baby already beat mvp in something else MC > San mc already san in a previous gsl
I'm going to say that MKP is going to choke HARD HARD HARD vs jangbi.
Jangbi comming off his recent OSL BW league win vs the guy who just can't handle pressure of any type at all.
Just so frustrating, MKP could easily become the best player currently if he would just be consistent, when he's good he's untouchable and when he gets any pressure at all he folds like paper.
Hrm, Grubby casting and some sick games coming up, this will get my attention over the GSL any day assuming they clash. MarineKing the best bet for GSL players, but he's impossible to predict so could be a good day for KESPA.
Got caught in the MVP hype after his IEM win, but he's still not the same player he was last year and I'm beginning to doubt he'll ever be the same again.
They need to get someone with a fashion sense over there.. Grubby usually looks quite handsome but.. I dont know, they look like satirical characters of themselves all of a sudden?
They'll probably get that sorted out though.. Just looks off..
On September 04 2012 19:36 Kordox wrote: People are still talking about their outfits? They're the same as the korean casters. They're just being consistent.
That doesnt make them look good. :p
I found the "holding the mic at your mouth constantly even though you're not talking" to look more funny though ^^
On September 04 2012 19:35 Fjodorov wrote: only 360 quality now on english stream? Was atleast 480 last week, right?
Gotta pay for that now.
Pay for 480p ... -.- Sigh.
I really don't get what's wrong with having just 720p and 1080p paid, 480p really should be the standard in this day and age. They even had it in ancient TV broadcasts
On September 04 2012 19:35 Fjodorov wrote: only 360 quality now on english stream? Was atleast 480 last week, right?
Gotta pay for that now.
Pay for 480p ... -.- Sigh.
I really don't get what's wrong with having just 720p and 1080p paid, 480p really should be the standard in this day and age. They even had it in ancient TV broadcasts
why undercut the competition when there's a duopoly
On September 04 2012 19:37 TeveT wrote: They need to get someone with a fashion sense over there.. Grubby usually looks quite handsome but.. I dont know, they look like satirical characters of themselves all of a sudden?
They'll probably get that sorted out though.. Just looks off..
man people have no sense of style...they look pretty awesome, even moletrap lol.
On September 04 2012 19:37 TeveT wrote: They need to get someone with a fashion sense over there.. Grubby usually looks quite handsome but.. I dont know, they look like satirical characters of themselves all of a sudden?
They'll probably get that sorted out though.. Just looks off..
On September 04 2012 19:35 Fjodorov wrote: only 360 quality now on english stream? Was atleast 480 last week, right?
Gotta pay for that now.
Pay for 480p ... -.- Sigh.
I really don't get what's wrong with having just 720p and 1080p paid, 480p really should be the standard in this day and age. They even had it in ancient TV broadcasts
why undercut the competition when there's a duopoly
It's not that I think 360p is even too low to watch comfortably but I'm just afraid that eventually they're going to settle on a 240p and that's just ... Well it's like recording SC2 on a NES-cartridge.
Grubby actually doing a really good job already in my opinion, looking forward to how he'll be when the actual games get underway and if he functions well with Moletrap.
On September 04 2012 19:47 Kommander wrote: I noticed Dutch guys like Grubby, Ret, and Nazgul are very proficient in English. Is English taught in Dutch schools?
Yes. Everyone I've met in Holland has spoken English extremely well.
On September 04 2012 19:47 Kommander wrote: I noticed Dutch guys like Grubby, Ret, and Nazgul are very proficient in English. Is English taught in Dutch schools?
English is taught in every country, no? :o
And yeah Dutchies are together with the Scandinavians the best non native English speakers in Europe
On September 04 2012 19:47 Kommander wrote: I noticed Dutch guys like Grubby, Ret, and Nazgul are very proficient in English. Is English taught in Dutch schools?
Jup and at a very young age too. Also all our movies, series and even most cartoons are always in English so we are used to hearing it a lot.
On September 04 2012 19:47 Kommander wrote: I noticed Dutch guys like Grubby, Ret, and Nazgul are very proficient in English. Is English taught in Dutch schools?
europeans tend to be multi-linguistic due to so many countries with different languages being in such close proximity.
at least from my experiance with exchange students anyways, some would speak 3 or more languages
On September 04 2012 19:49 Moka wrote: How is the english stream with grubby and moletrap :o?
The grubby and moletrap? Well moletrap really isn't saying much but he's luckily not interrupting Grubby so it's a very enjoyable experience to me. I'm guessing moletrap will have more things to say after the action picks up properly.
Oh lol they want how much per month from us for even 480p? I've bought almost all the GSL tickets but $20 for a month is pretty steep especially considering that doesn't even encompass a full season I believe. Ah well, maybe they will drop the price when no one subscribes. >_<
On September 04 2012 19:55 revel8 wrote: That was a bit of a ROFLStomp. Jangbi not covering himself with glory in dealing with that push. Learning curve and all...
If Jangbi is going to play BW in the finals, that must be it.
On September 04 2012 19:57 ProxyKnoxy wrote: So I guess right before each engagement MKP had serious stomachache and couldn't control his units... ok
uhh if he had some sort of upset stomach issue then it could easily have changes his concentration. Still an excuse so meh but your comment is retarded. If it hurts at the start then it hurts the whole way through.
Jangbi needs one season off of OSL to train and improve in SC2. His run last OSL put him at a severe disadvantage in catching up with the other Kespa guys.
On September 04 2012 19:56 mrtomjones wrote: Not too interested in watching this but how are Grubby and Moletrap together?
Grubby talks strategic stuff in his usual awesome manner and Moletrap sits there saying "euh....yes....hm....he is moving out!"
They have no real chemistry yet. Maybe that will come if they cast more together but they just have 2 really different casting styles clashing. Grubby with all the knowledge about the game, understanding everything and Moletrap seems to be kinda confused by the way Grubby thinks about what the players do and why they do it.
On September 04 2012 19:58 Kommander wrote: Jangbi needs one season off of OSL to train and improve in SC2. His run last OSL put him at a severe disadvantage in catching up with the other Kespa guys.
On September 04 2012 19:58 Kommander wrote: Jangbi needs one season off of OSL to train and improve in SC2. His run last OSL put him at a severe disadvantage in catching up with the other Kespa guys.
On September 04 2012 19:58 Kommander wrote: Jangbi needs one season off of OSL to train and improve in SC2. His run last OSL put him at a severe disadvantage in catching up with the other Kespa guys.
On September 04 2012 19:58 Kommander wrote: Jangbi needs one season off of OSL to train and improve in SC2. His run last OSL put him at a severe disadvantage in catching up with the other Kespa guys.
2 words
explain fantasy
Boxer and the fact even he thinks SC2 suits him more <3
On September 04 2012 19:56 mrtomjones wrote: Not too interested in watching this but how are Grubby and Moletrap together?
Grubby talks strategic stuff in his usual awesome manner and Moletrap sits there saying "euh....yes....hm....he is moving out!"
They have no real chemistry yet. Maybe that will come if they cast more together but they just have 2 really different casting styles clashing. Grubby with all the knowledge about the game, understanding everything and Moletrap seems to be kinda confused by the way Grubby thinks about what the players do and why they do it.
On September 04 2012 19:58 Kommander wrote: Jangbi needs one season off of OSL to train and improve in SC2. His run last OSL put him at a severe disadvantage in catching up with the other Kespa guys.
On September 04 2012 19:58 Kommander wrote: Jangbi needs one season off of OSL to train and improve in SC2. His run last OSL put him at a severe disadvantage in catching up with the other Kespa guys.
On September 04 2012 20:02 Sandermatt wrote: I have been away for lunch for the first game. The comments imply it was one sided, can somebody summarize it in 1-3 sentences?
MKP rolls up to Jangbi's front door, questionable army control, MKP wins.
On September 04 2012 20:02 Sandermatt wrote: I have been away for lunch for the first game. The comments imply it was one sided, can somebody summarize it in 1-3 sentences?
AFK farm for 10min(no wait that's not farm now is it? hmm macro I guess)
On September 04 2012 19:56 mrtomjones wrote: Not too interested in watching this but how are Grubby and Moletrap together?
Grubby talks strategic stuff in his usual awesome manner and Moletrap sits there saying "euh....yes....hm....he is moving out!"
They have no real chemistry yet. Maybe that will come if they cast more together but they just have 2 really different casting styles clashing. Grubby with all the knowledge about the game, understanding everything and Moletrap seems to be kinda confused by the way Grubby thinks about what the players do and why they do it.
Thanks. Thats too bad.
"Grubby thinks about what the players do and why they do it.[/QUOTE] Thanks. Thats too bad." I don't understand this at all and didn't get that impression.
Their casting is ok it's actually not bad for there first game. Obviously and chemistry comes later during more games being caster together but Grubby can pretty much work with everyone and moletrap casting has been getting better imo. So no there's nothing "too bad" about this casting situation imo.
On September 04 2012 19:58 Kommander wrote: Jangbi needs one season off of OSL to train and improve in SC2. His run last OSL put him at a severe disadvantage in catching up with the other Kespa guys.
2 words
explain fantasy
He lost.
One can go and try to compare two circles with different size -- it is possible. People are trying to compare players whose not only training but natural abilities and motivation can be different to say the least. It is a total waste of time to indulge into speculations of such kind.
On September 04 2012 19:56 mrtomjones wrote: Not too interested in watching this but how are Grubby and Moletrap together?
Grubby talks strategic stuff in his usual awesome manner and Moletrap sits there saying "euh....yes....hm....he is moving out!"
They have no real chemistry yet. Maybe that will come if they cast more together but they just have 2 really different casting styles clashing. Grubby with all the knowledge about the game, understanding everything and Moletrap seems to be kinda confused by the way Grubby thinks about what the players do and why they do it.
Thanks. Thats too bad.
Maybe they will improve on that and Moletrap will become the play-by-play caster since he seems more passionate for the ex-BW pros here then for the GSL players. Moletrap knows quite a lot about the BW history of many of those players. In a perfect world Moletrap will become a play-by-play caster who spreads some stuff about the players that happens besides the games while Grubby analyzes and explains the games.
On September 04 2012 19:58 Kommander wrote: Jangbi needs one season off of OSL to train and improve in SC2. His run last OSL put him at a severe disadvantage in catching up with the other Kespa guys.
I cannot recall the last time Grubby and Moletrap cast together, regardless I would never expect two commentators to have great synergy day one of casting.
On September 04 2012 20:02 Sandermatt wrote: I have been away for lunch for the first game. The comments imply it was one sided, can somebody summarize it in 1-3 sentences?
Jangbi did not have any stalkers and when he spotted two medivacs threatening his mineral line in his main, he moved his 5 sentries back to deal with them. MKP then moved his army up the ramp unopposed as there were no sentries there anymore and Janbi's zealots were out of position. MKP stimmed his army to kill Janbi's small army of zealots. MKP unloaded his medivacs and his marauders sniped the lone colossus and then killed the natural. It was completely one-sided.
On September 04 2012 20:10 Infernal Knight wrote: I only just realized they're holding the microphones. Don't they have headsets with the microphones attached? O.o
Maybe the soundquality of headsets is too poor for television? Just a guess, i dont get it either
On September 04 2012 20:10 Infernal Knight wrote: I only just realized they're holding the microphones. Don't they have headsets with the microphones attached? O.o
Maybe the soundquality of headsets is too poor for television? Just a guess, i dont get it either
A. you are correct, why have terrible sound from a headset when you can use microphones, and B, what they are wearing and holding is exactly how the Korean trio has been doing since forever afaik.
On September 04 2012 20:14 forumtext wrote: I am new to sc2. can someone tell me exactly what is janbi suppose to do in that engagement?
Keep your sentries on the low ground to FF if the army comes up.
Jangbi was actually doing too mcuh at that point. Like Grubby was saying, his additional gateways was very late and he was also skipping extra collosus and going straight into templar. He showed one Collosus to fake MKP out... but MKP just decided to be aggressive anyway lol.
On September 04 2012 20:14 forumtext wrote: I am new to sc2. can someone tell me exactly what is janbi suppose to do in that engagement?
you only send a few zealot and stalkers to stop the drop, you leave a decent zealot force and sentry + col at the front
MKP cant drop ontop of P units because they will get shredded and when the terran sends his units up the front you FF them in half and kill them off with the col
On September 04 2012 20:20 Waxangel wrote: not to be outdone, Nestea shows jangbi the real way to fail totally
Jangbi lost to the first pressure. Nestea's only 15 supply down versus mech. They'll both lose, and Nestea will fail more often, but I think Jangbi's complete fuck-up takes the cake.
Edit: Jesus fucking christ, the game basically ends while another ad is played. I guess I only wanted to watch the GSL after all
Geez OGN, I'd never thought I'd say this but this is like amateur hour by them. So many ads. Heh, it was BW restreams by the community afterall that brought OSL to us.
Damnit Nestea, someones scheduled to come around in about 10 minutes and now since you lost so quickly I'm going to miss the game I've been waiting for. T_T
On September 04 2012 20:26 Leetley wrote: Nestea chokes so bad in televised games.
I don't even think it's choking. He's just been losing relevance at a steady rate since the beginning of the year and it's finally starting to catch up to him.
On September 04 2012 20:28 Growiel wrote: Last played super well BUT BO1s are really really stupid and should not exist ever in any kind of serious tournament.
Think of all the matches we saw end in a comeback or the 2-1 because one player cheesed first game or whatever.
Don't burry NesTea because he lost two BO1s.
It's a LOT easier to study NesTea's play through the ton of available replays then to study a new player style.
Drop the BO1 and i'm sure NesTea would have come out of this group.
On September 04 2012 20:28 Growiel wrote: Last played super well BUT BO1s are really really stupid and should not exist ever in any kind of serious tournament.
Think of all the matches we saw end in a comeback or the 2-1 because one player cheesed first game or whatever.
Don't burry NesTea because he lost two BO1s.
It's a LOT easier to study NesTea's play through the ton of available replays then to study a new player style.
Drop the BO1 and i'm sure NesTea would have come out of this group.
On September 04 2012 20:28 Growiel wrote: Last played super well BUT BO1s are really really stupid and should not exist ever in any kind of serious tournament.
Think of all the matches we saw end in a comeback or the 2-1 because one player cheesed first game or whatever.
Don't burry NesTea because he lost two BO1s.
It's a LOT easier to study NesTea's play through the ton of available replays then to study a new player style.
Drop the BO1 and i'm sure NesTea would have come out of this group.
Nestea lost that to simple hurass. That wasn't his build being studied, he just got so far behind by not walling and letting 4 hellions walk into his base.
On September 04 2012 20:28 Growiel wrote: Last played super well BUT BO1s are really really stupid and should not exist ever in any kind of serious tournament.
Think of all the matches we saw end in a comeback or the 2-1 because one player cheesed first game or whatever.
Don't burry NesTea because he lost two BO1s.
It's a LOT easier to study NesTea's play through the ton of available replays then to study a new player style.
Drop the BO1 and i'm sure NesTea would have come out of this group.
No one is burying NesTea because of bo1's.
They are burying him because he plays nothing but terrible games nowadays outside of ZvZ
On September 04 2012 20:28 Growiel wrote: Last played super well BUT BO1s are really really stupid and should not exist ever in any kind of serious tournament.
Think of all the matches we saw end in a comeback or the 2-1 because one player cheesed first game or whatever.
Don't burry NesTea because he lost two BO1s.
It's a LOT easier to study NesTea's play through the ton of available replays then to study a new player style.
Drop the BO1 and i'm sure NesTea would have come out of this group.
What? Nestea has been bad for quite some time. I didnt give him a chance in these games and I didnt even know Last. Nestea's days as a player in sc2 are over, deal with it.
On September 04 2012 20:28 Growiel wrote: Last played super well BUT BO1s are really really stupid and should not exist ever in any kind of serious tournament.
Think of all the matches we saw end in a comeback or the 2-1 because one player cheesed first game or whatever.
Don't burry NesTea because he lost two BO1s.
It's a LOT easier to study NesTea's play through the ton of available replays then to study a new player style.
Drop the BO1 and i'm sure NesTea would have come out of this group.
when will people learn why its Bo1....I'm getting tired of people complaining.
am i the only one who likes BO1? yeah i admit its prob hard on the players, but i enjoy watching it alot more than bo3s from GSL as it just feels more on the line and i never get bored watching it like i do with GSL Groups, just what i think really.
what a bad mech play, not as bad as in old times, but just one skill would have completely destroyed the terran. And yeah ads are annoying :o guess i skip osl. Understandable though that they spam them so hard.
Nestea has been this bad for ages, dont know why anyone is suprised. He was never that good in the first place he just had very easy runs in code S when you could choose opponents.
On September 04 2012 20:32 Waxangel wrote: guys, thread mixing is an abomination
you started it
On September 04 2012 20:32 Herry wrote: Nestea has been this bad for ages, dont know why anyone is suprised. He was never that good in the first place he just had very easy runs in code S when you could choose opponents.
nah he was definitely good when he won 2 gsl's in a row and one of them without losing a single game, you can't choose your opponents any less or more now than you could back then
On September 04 2012 20:28 Growiel wrote: Last played super well BUT BO1s are really really stupid and should not exist ever in any kind of serious tournament.
Think of all the matches we saw end in a comeback or the 2-1 because one player cheesed first game or whatever.
Don't burry NesTea because he lost two BO1s.
It's a LOT easier to study NesTea's play through the ton of available replays then to study a new player style.
Drop the BO1 and i'm sure NesTea would have come out of this group.
I would buy into this argument if not for the 10 years of OSL history with almost all of them ending up being epic from prelims to the finals. The Bo1s are perfectly fine.
On September 04 2012 20:28 Growiel wrote: Last played super well BUT BO1s are really really stupid and should not exist ever in any kind of serious tournament.
Think of all the matches we saw end in a comeback or the 2-1 because one player cheesed first game or whatever.
Don't burry NesTea because he lost two BO1s.
It's a LOT easier to study NesTea's play through the ton of available replays then to study a new player style.
Drop the BO1 and i'm sure NesTea would have come out of this group.
I would buy into this argument if not for the 10 years of OSL history with almost all of them ending up being epic from prelims to the finals. The Bo1s are perfectly fine.
Still remains to be seen as those 10 years were of BW. SC2 is a different game and the pace of the game is unlike BW.
On September 04 2012 20:32 Herry wrote: Nestea has been this bad for ages, dont know why anyone is suprised. He was never that good in the first place he just had very easy runs in code S when you could choose opponents.
yeahhh... no. Go back and look at his record or hell watch some of his old games. The vods are free for the next two days.
That was just really really sad to watch as a Nestea fan, every now and again he has moments of brilliance and then he turns around and dies like this .
I can't pick a fav in MVP vs Baby, I'll just hope for a good game, maybe a nice long game ending in sky terran battles of epicness.
2-6 is pretty mediocre. He also lost to Action (lol) on a map that is heaven for terran players (lol x2). Sure hes a terran sniper. No, he isn't a good player.
On September 04 2012 20:28 Growiel wrote: Last played super well BUT BO1s are really really stupid and should not exist ever in any kind of serious tournament.
Think of all the matches we saw end in a comeback or the 2-1 because one player cheesed first game or whatever.
Don't burry NesTea because he lost two BO1s.
It's a LOT easier to study NesTea's play through the ton of available replays then to study a new player style.
Drop the BO1 and i'm sure NesTea would have come out of this group.
I would buy into this argument if not for the 10 years of OSL history with almost all of them ending up being epic from prelims to the finals. The Bo1s are perfectly fine.
The thing that bothers me somewhat is the combination of BO1 with the long downtimes between the matches.
On September 04 2012 20:32 Ahelvin wrote: F*** YEAH HERO !
Woops, wrong thread .
lol Hero? Wrong thread.
Yeah Nestea game play was terribly bad lately. Lettting helions runing into his natural and being baited a bunker out of the edge of his nerd is just unusual..I think Artosis "god mode nestea" is started to fade.
On September 04 2012 20:28 Growiel wrote: Last played super well BUT BO1s are really really stupid and should not exist ever in any kind of serious tournament.
Think of all the matches we saw end in a comeback or the 2-1 because one player cheesed first game or whatever.
Don't burry NesTea because he lost two BO1s.
It's a LOT easier to study NesTea's play through the ton of available replays then to study a new player style.
Drop the BO1 and i'm sure NesTea would have come out of this group.
I would buy into this argument if not for the 10 years of OSL history with almost all of them ending up being epic from prelims to the finals. The Bo1s are perfectly fine.
Still remains to be seen as those 10 years were of BW. SC2 is a different game and the pace of the game is unlike BW.
I don't quite understand why everyone complains about it so much. It's group stage. If it was a single elimination Bo1 bracket that makes sense but I personally don't see why it's a huge deal to have a Bo1 group.
On September 04 2012 20:28 Growiel wrote: Last played super well BUT BO1s are really really stupid and should not exist ever in any kind of serious tournament.
Think of all the matches we saw end in a comeback or the 2-1 because one player cheesed first game or whatever.
Don't burry NesTea because he lost two BO1s.
It's a LOT easier to study NesTea's play through the ton of available replays then to study a new player style.
Drop the BO1 and i'm sure NesTea would have come out of this group.
I would buy into this argument if not for the 10 years of OSL history with almost all of them ending up being epic from prelims to the finals. The Bo1s are perfectly fine.
The thing that bothers me somewhat is the combination of BO1 with the long downtimes between the matches.
Bo1 just goes against so much precedent already set by the SC2 scene. Also, most consumers of SC2 didn't follow BW, so tradition isn't a mitigating factor for them at all. I think change is inevitable if OSL wants a bigger foreign audience, though obv they know their business in terms of the domestic market.
On September 04 2012 20:39 The KY wrote: I should probably have told someone I was coming to my parents house today. Only my sister and her boyfriend are home.
:/
On an unrelated note, putting my biggest headphones on and turning the volume on OSL to REALLY REALLY LOUD.
talking about volume, I dont know how VLC handles their audio engine so that it's freaking louder than any other media player. 200% at max instead of 100% lol
On September 04 2012 20:42 FreudianTrip wrote: Oh shit, they're making Grubby wear those terrible vests? I just thought it was Moletrap not being able to dress himself. It's so funny.
On September 04 2012 20:41 Waxangel wrote: Bo1 just goes against so much precedent already set by the SC2 scene. Also, most consumers of SC2 didn't follow BW, so tradition isn't a mitigating factor for them at all. I think change is inevitable if OSL wants a bigger foreign audience, though obv they know their business in terms of the domestic market.
Tradition isn't a good reason anyway tbh. Plus I suppose it could be argued that SC2 is more volatile (at the moment) so the more games in a series the better to determine the better player.
On September 04 2012 20:33 TommyP wrote: Will this be NesTea's last Code S?
Depends on if he'll get seeded or not.
Koreans (except kespa ones) dont get seeds. Judging by his play today and last week in OSL, he will get crushed in ro32 and probably in Code A.
Except that he always, always plays better in the GSL. This is a tough season though, and he's in a hard group. It may well be the season he drops down, but he'll be right back up.
On September 04 2012 20:39 The KY wrote: I should probably have told someone I was coming to my parents house today. Only my sister and her boyfriend are home.
:/
On an unrelated note, putting my biggest headphones on and turning the volume on OSL to REALLY REALLY LOUD.
lol. You should probably also watch GOM at the same time at max volume, symbol vs hero is on.
On September 04 2012 20:42 FreudianTrip wrote: Oh shit, they're making Grubby wear those terrible vests? I just thought it was Moletrap not being able to dress himself. It's so funny.
The reason why I personally feel a Bo1 Round Robin is best for a group is in a Bo1 the stronger player will usually win. It rewards studying your opponent and playing standard and safe is more likely as not only can you hold cheese, but it takes you to the mid game (needs to be longer, stupid maps) and late game.
You can also prepare a cheese for a Bo1, but you're putting way more on the line as if you lose that's it.
Hey guys im sorry but something came up i need to take care of, would someone mind making a poll after the remaining games just asking if people would recommend it or not? Ill update OP asap. Thanks and sorry TT =[
On September 04 2012 20:42 FreudianTrip wrote: Oh shit, they're making Grubby wear those terrible vests? I just thought it was Moletrap not being able to dress himself. It's so funny.
On September 04 2012 20:42 FreudianTrip wrote: Oh shit, they're making Grubby wear those terrible vests? I just thought it was Moletrap not being able to dress himself. It's so funny.
it's the same wardrobe as the KR casters
So does sense of style go
Black People > White People > Koreans?
We're talking about style, not "swag" (not that the comparison applies to "swag" either).
On September 04 2012 20:28 Growiel wrote: Last played super well BUT BO1s are really really stupid and should not exist ever in any kind of serious tournament.
Think of all the matches we saw end in a comeback or the 2-1 because one player cheesed first game or whatever.
Don't burry NesTea because he lost two BO1s.
It's a LOT easier to study NesTea's play through the ton of available replays then to study a new player style.
Drop the BO1 and i'm sure NesTea would have come out of this group.
I would buy into this argument if not for the 10 years of OSL history with almost all of them ending up being epic from prelims to the finals. The Bo1s are perfectly fine.
Still remains to be seen as those 10 years were of BW. SC2 is a different game and the pace of the game is unlike BW.
I don't quite understand why everyone complains about it so much. It's group stage. If it was a single elimination Bo1 bracket that makes sense but I personally don't see why it's a huge deal to have a Bo1 group.
some people prefer to see game plans which aren't as awesome in a Bo1. Also sc2 is not build for a bo1 system, so doubt bo1 will stay in for long. Anyway right now most people are used to bo3 and most prefer what they are used too. Players used to bo3 facing a bo1 probably feel they have to play defensive, while players with more experience don't get bothered by it and end up ahead. Atleast this is what i get out of the games in the osl.
On September 04 2012 20:39 The KY wrote: I should probably have told someone I was coming to my parents house today. Only my sister and her boyfriend are home.
:/
On an unrelated note, putting my biggest headphones on and turning the volume on OSL to REALLY REALLY LOUD.
lol. You should probably also watch GOM at the same time at max volume, symbol vs hero is on.
On September 04 2012 20:42 FreudianTrip wrote: Oh shit, they're making Grubby wear those terrible vests? I just thought it was Moletrap not being able to dress himself. It's so funny.
it's the same wardrobe as the KR casters
So does sense of style go
Black People > White People > Koreans?
Pretty sure. I observed the same order can be made for a lot of other things. Whites are kinda in between Asians and Blacks. :D
On September 04 2012 20:39 The KY wrote: I should probably have told someone I was coming to my parents house today. Only my sister and her boyfriend are home.
:/
On an unrelated note, putting my biggest headphones on and turning the volume on OSL to REALLY REALLY LOUD.
I don't like the Korea castors speaking in Korean... ahaha that sounds weird~ they're much better saying tankuuu and marineeee than haebyung (in their own language... )
And baby just lost a ton of tanks to a single cloaked banshee
On September 04 2012 20:39 The KY wrote: I should probably have told someone I was coming to my parents house today. Only my sister and her boyfriend are home.
:/
On an unrelated note, putting my biggest headphones on and turning the volume on OSL to REALLY REALLY LOUD.
are they watching animes?
Y...yes. I don't mind her watching animes but I'd rather not hear her watching animes.
On September 04 2012 20:55 BLinD-RawR wrote: if you hit cloak before the viking missiles reach you you don't take damage?
wow
Yeah I remember being PISSED when that first happened to me just after release haha.
On September 04 2012 20:39 The KY wrote: I should probably have told someone I was coming to my parents house today. Only my sister and her boyfriend are home.
:/
On an unrelated note, putting my biggest headphones on and turning the volume on OSL to REALLY REALLY LOUD.
are they watching animes?
Y...yes. I don't mind her watching animes but I'd rather not hear her watching animes.
Baby rushing in with his bionic forces and snipes a couple tanks, runs in too deep and loses a lot MVP running uphill and both sides lose a lot of units
Baby seems to have such a great understanding of unit ranges / positioning and such. The little moves, going in and out with his marauders all the time are so smooth and efficient, pleasure to watch.
landing near 1 or 3 tanks okay, but don't land clumped up vikings in front of 10 tanks, so painful to watch. MVPs mech is so nice to watch, when usually mech play looks so untrained.
Great great play by Mvp. But Baby has developed into a heavy choker, his future looked so bright, but he has not been going anywhere during the last two years.
On September 04 2012 20:55 BLinD-RawR wrote: if you hit cloak before the viking missiles reach you you don't take damage?
wow
dota mechanics =D
Technically only windwalk dodges and other forms of invisibility don't. And going from detected to undetected doesn't interrupt anything in WC3.
in wc3 im pretty sure blademaster can dodge storm bolds with windwalk and in dota you can dodge stuff with lothars edge
Yeah, lothar's is just windwalk iirc (haven't played dota for a while). Blink also dodges, and several other custom triggers in DotA like potm's leap.
Windwalk dodges when cast, even if the bm's still detected. But if the bm windwalks, then storm bolt is thrown (or equivalent skill), then the bm moves out of detection/dust ends/whatever then it will hit.
At any rate, the point is that invisibility doesn't cancel attacks in wc3/dota, one skill that also makes you invisible does (and anything based off that skill in UMS maps)
When Mvp plays mech I feel like he is so confident in his army movement. He move his army like he think he will never be caught unsiege. When I play it so freaking scary to move mech army around the map.
Does MC advance almost regardless? Even going through situations halfway through the group only Flash can go through in 1st now vs MC and the other two lose in head to head.
On September 04 2012 21:43 bittman wrote: Does MC advance almost regardless? Even going through situations halfway through the group only Flash can go through in 1st now vs MC and the other two lose in head to head.
On September 04 2012 21:43 bittman wrote: Does MC advance almost regardless? Even going through situations halfway through the group only Flash can go through in 1st now vs MC and the other two lose in head to head.
MC is pretty much through
Ok listening to casters now gives the one possibility of him not getting through.
EDIT: Hahah moletrap. "And MVP takes a page out of his own book and wins"
On September 04 2012 21:43 bittman wrote: Does MC advance almost regardless? Even going through situations halfway through the group only Flash can go through in 1st now vs MC and the other two lose in head to head.
MC is pretty much through
well there is a possiblity but a lot of things have to happen for it, but I want him and Flash to go through in their group anyway so yay!
On September 04 2012 21:43 bittman wrote: Does MC advance almost regardless? Even going through situations halfway through the group only Flash can go through in 1st now vs MC and the other two lose in head to head.
There's only one scenario in which MC doesn't automatically go through: Flash > MC, Best > Flash and San. That would put San at 0-3 and the rest at a 2-1 tie breaker.
On September 04 2012 21:43 bittman wrote: Does MC advance almost regardless? Even going through situations halfway through the group only Flash can go through in 1st now vs MC and the other two lose in head to head.
There's only one scenario in which MC doesn't automatically go through: Flash > MC, Best > Flash and San. That would put San at 0-3 and the rest at a 2-1 tie breaker.
Also possible : Mc 3:0 and the other three players 1:2
On September 04 2012 21:43 bittman wrote: Does MC advance almost regardless? Even going through situations halfway through the group only Flash can go through in 1st now vs MC and the other two lose in head to head.
There's only one scenario in which MC doesn't automatically go through: Flash > MC, Best > Flash and San. That would put San at 0-3 and the rest at a 2-1 tie breaker.
Also possible : Mc 3:0 and the other three players 1:2
On September 04 2012 21:43 bittman wrote: Does MC advance almost regardless? Even going through situations halfway through the group only Flash can go through in 1st now vs MC and the other two lose in head to head.
There's only one scenario in which MC doesn't automatically go through: Flash > MC, Best > Flash and San. That would put San at 0-3 and the rest at a 2-1 tie breaker.
Also possible : Mc 3:0 and the other three players 1:2
On September 04 2012 20:41 Waxangel wrote: Bo1 just goes against so much precedent already set by the SC2 scene. Also, most consumers of SC2 didn't follow BW, so tradition isn't a mitigating factor for them at all. I think change is inevitable if OSL wants a bigger foreign audience, though obv they know their business in terms of the domestic market.
OGN doesn't treat that as precedent obviously nor do they have any reason to. they are a teevee company
On September 04 2012 21:41 Hyperionnn wrote: Tard00: Look at that kespa noob getting steamrolled.
That OGN chat is disgusting to be honest
GSL fans are very invested in seeing Kespa players lose. It's considered a huge knock against a player to lose to them at the minute.
it's funny cuz San is a GSL player D:
Indeed. By 'very invested' I mean 'it's becoming a borderline psychosis'.
I believe WCS did some great damage to their collective psyche...
It goes the other way around as well though, some BW fans does the same thing when KeSPA player wins.
"some"
a lot, actually. I see more BW fans hating on GSL players than the other way around.
Not really, all of you like hating. GSL and KeSPA fans.
There's a reason why i don't root for any football team (neither madrid, neither barcelona)... it allows you to enjoy way more the games instead. Same for sc2.
On September 04 2012 21:41 Hyperionnn wrote: Tard00: Look at that kespa noob getting steamrolled.
That OGN chat is disgusting to be honest
GSL fans are very invested in seeing Kespa players lose. It's considered a huge knock against a player to lose to them at the minute.
it's funny cuz San is a GSL player D:
Indeed. By 'very invested' I mean 'it's becoming a borderline psychosis'.
I believe WCS did some great damage to their collective psyche...
You didn't follow the WCS threads in this forum, did you? When the old BW fans came out shitting on the GSL players as they did lose to the KESPA Pros.... So don't wonder when they hit back...
On September 04 2012 20:41 Waxangel wrote: Bo1 just goes against so much precedent already set by the SC2 scene. Also, most consumers of SC2 didn't follow BW, so tradition isn't a mitigating factor for them at all. I think change is inevitable if OSL wants a bigger foreign audience, though obv they know their business in terms of the domestic market.
OGN doesn't treat that as precedent obviously nor do they have any reason to. they are a teevee company
Bo1 makes for much more watchable days of play too.
I mean I'm watching the GSL at the moment...
...in fact I've been watching it on and off for the last 4 and a half hours, and there's still 1 game + another a bo3 to be played before the days play ends.
bo3 group play can just make days go waaaaaay too long. At this point I barely pay proper attention for the more than a set or two because I've got to get other things done too and it just takes up too much time =(
On September 04 2012 21:41 Hyperionnn wrote: Tard00: Look at that kespa noob getting steamrolled.
That OGN chat is disgusting to be honest
GSL fans are very invested in seeing Kespa players lose. It's considered a huge knock against a player to lose to them at the minute.
it's funny cuz San is a GSL player D:
Indeed. By 'very invested' I mean 'it's becoming a borderline psychosis'.
I believe WCS did some great damage to their collective psyche...
It goes the other way around as well though, some BW fans does the same thing when KeSPA player wins.
"some"
a lot, actually. I see more BW fans hating on GSL players than the other way around.
Not really, all of you like hating. GSL and KeSPA fans.
There's a reason why i don't root for any football team (neither madrid, neither barcelona)... it allows you to enjoy way more the games instead. Same for sc2.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Not on the fact that everyone hates, but that having a favorite team has you enjoying the game less than not having a favorite team. Having a favorite team gives meaning to every game. Each game feels more intense, Quick baseball example - I would not really enjoy watching (MLB) Houston v. Kansas Cty - however I would watch the Boston Red Sox v. Any Team regardless of their current position in the standing. Granted I would watch the Houston game, it just wouldn't be fun. Similar to watching a pro you don't care about v. watching a pro that you acftually like.
On September 04 2012 21:41 Hyperionnn wrote: Tard00: Look at that kespa noob getting steamrolled.
That OGN chat is disgusting to be honest
GSL fans are very invested in seeing Kespa players lose. It's considered a huge knock against a player to lose to them at the minute.
it's funny cuz San is a GSL player D:
Indeed. By 'very invested' I mean 'it's becoming a borderline psychosis'.
I believe WCS did some great damage to their collective psyche...
It goes the other way around as well though, some BW fans does the same thing when KeSPA player wins.
"some"
a lot, actually. I see more BW fans hating on GSL players than the other way around.
Not really, all of you like hating. GSL and KeSPA fans.
There's a reason why i don't root for any football team (neither madrid, neither barcelona)... it allows you to enjoy way more the games instead. Same for sc2.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Not on the fact that everyone hates, but that having a favorite team has you enjoying the game less than not having a favorite team. Having a favorite team gives meaning to every game. Each game feels more intense, Quick baseball example - I would not really enjoy watching (MLB) Houston v. Kansas Cty - however I would watch the Boston Red Sox v. Any Team regardless of their current position in the standing. Granted I would watch the Houston game, it just wouldn't be fun. Similar to watching a pro you don't care about v. watching a pro that you acftually like.
You disagree because you only find meaning if you root for a player. I don't, i just chill and enjoy the games. Good games already have a meaning, a powerful one, you don't need to be rooting for a player, following a storyline or whatever to enjoy them. That's why i don't root for people, i would miss awesome matches, or get stupidly pissed at flawless play from others players which i dislike... just for the sake of being a fanboy.
What i am saying (if i am saying something), is that rooting for teams is ok, as far you still enjoy the game enough to don't be dumb about it (like 99% of the posts about KeSPA vs GSL players).
On September 04 2012 21:41 Hyperionnn wrote: Tard00: Look at that kespa noob getting steamrolled.
That OGN chat is disgusting to be honest
GSL fans are very invested in seeing Kespa players lose. It's considered a huge knock against a player to lose to them at the minute.
it's funny cuz San is a GSL player D:
Indeed. By 'very invested' I mean 'it's becoming a borderline psychosis'.
I believe WCS did some great damage to their collective psyche...
It goes the other way around as well though, some BW fans does the same thing when KeSPA player wins.
"some"
a lot, actually. I see more BW fans hating on GSL players than the other way around.
Not really, all of you like hating. GSL and KeSPA fans.
There's a reason why i don't root for any football team (neither madrid, neither barcelona)... it allows you to enjoy way more the games instead. Same for sc2.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Not on the fact that everyone hates, but that having a favorite team has you enjoying the game less than not having a favorite team. Having a favorite team gives meaning to every game. Each game feels more intense, Quick baseball example - I would not really enjoy watching (MLB) Houston v. Kansas Cty - however I would watch the Boston Red Sox v. Any Team regardless of their current position in the standing. Granted I would watch the Houston game, it just wouldn't be fun. Similar to watching a pro you don't care about v. watching a pro that you acftually like.
I think the main problem is that A LOT of contributers (BW and SC2) don't seem to understand the diffirence between, ribbing (The act or an instance of joking or teasing) and agressivly cutting someone down at the knees. Jokes (ribbing) are funny when both parties can have a laugh about. With one party feeling a bit sour, of-course.
On September 04 2012 22:37 Godwrath wrote: There's a reason why i don't root for any football team (neither madrid, neither barcelona)... it allows you to enjoy way more the games instead. Same for sc2.
You don't know what you are missing mate. The passion of supporting is easily more than half of the fun with footie!
On September 04 2012 22:45 sharkie wrote: GSL today will probably go close to midnight today and you guys want Bo3s lol.
Yeah, pretty funny. In group stages it is not even "lose one game and you are out". I really prefer the OSL system. For GSL, unless my absolute favorites play, I only watch some of games of match 1 and 2 and the winner's match. Rest is far too much.
On September 04 2012 22:37 Godwrath wrote: There's a reason why i don't root for any football team (neither madrid, neither barcelona)... it allows you to enjoy way more the games instead. Same for sc2.
You don't know what you are missing mate. The passion of supporting is easily more than half of the fun with footie!
I don't miss it, i already did in the past. I just found i dislike "to make my own" others people accomplishments. And the arguements between both sides... well being an "outsider" i can tease both followerbase... which can be more tedious because i am not biased haha
On September 04 2012 20:41 Waxangel wrote: Bo1 just goes against so much precedent already set by the SC2 scene. Also, most consumers of SC2 didn't follow BW, so tradition isn't a mitigating factor for them at all. I think change is inevitable if OSL wants a bigger foreign audience, though obv they know their business in terms of the domestic market.
OGN doesn't treat that as precedent obviously nor do they have any reason to. they are a teevee company
Bo1 makes for much more watchable days of play too.
I mean I'm watching the GSL at the moment...
...in fact I've been watching it on and off for the last 4 and a half hours, and there's still 1 game + another a bo3 to be played before the days play ends.
bo3 group play can just make days go waaaaaay too long. At this point I barely pay proper attention for the more than a set or two because I've got to get other things done too and it just takes up too much time =(
Well Bo3 allows me to watch the last series of the day cause of work so I'm all for it
On September 05 2012 00:21 monkybone wrote: What, 20 $ for a few vods a week?
wtf...
Anyone know how to circumvent this?
korean vods are free.
although they take a day to upload them
Is that so? Will gladly watch those then, at least until I see how well the 20$ package does.
NVM they seemed to have made them not free.
Disappointing to say the least if that's true. I stayed up to watch, then fell asleep on the assumption they'll have the vods up later. I'm done with this season.
On September 05 2012 00:21 monkybone wrote: What, 20 $ for a few vods a week?
wtf...
Anyone know how to circumvent this?
korean vods are free.
although they take a day to upload them
Is that so? Will gladly watch those then, at least until I see how well the 20$ package does.
NVM they seemed to have made them not free.
Disappointing to say the least if that's true. I stayed up to watch, then fell asleep on the assumption they'll have the vods up later. I'm done with this season.
there are other ways to get the VODs but they are not legal and allowed on TL.
On September 05 2012 00:21 monkybone wrote: What, 20 $ for a few vods a week?
wtf...
Anyone know how to circumvent this?
korean vods are free.
although they take a day to upload them
Is that so? Will gladly watch those then, at least until I see how well the 20$ package does.
NVM they seemed to have made them not free.
Disappointing to say the least if that's true. I stayed up to watch, then fell asleep on the assumption they'll have the vods up later. I'm done with this season.
there are other ways to get the VODs but they are not legal and allowed on TL.
What the freak is this? TommyP, I appreciate your effort and what you did here by Live Reporting, but you just did two NOT acceptable things.
1: If you create a live report thread, ALL the results must be filled out. I have done this several times as well so I'm not perfect, but I do ALWAYS make sure it's filled out in the end. Right now you have the results for the first two matches but not the last two. This is unacceptable. People depend on these live report threads to know the results and not everyone chooses to use Liquipedia.
2: DO NOT put your own statements in recommendations section. That is for TL viewers to decide. If you're not going to post a poll for each game, then don't bother having a recommendations section at all. Saying things like "Not worth watching really" and "Dear God do not watch this game" are your personal opinions and not the opinions of other people. Maybe the games were not as bad as you thought or maybe the games were as bad as you thought but you embellished it. The bottom line is, it is not for you to decide but for a poll to decide.
On September 05 2012 01:03 SeeKeR wrote: What the freak is this? TommyP, I appreciate your effort and what you did here by Live Reporting, but you just did two NOT acceptable things.
1: If you create a live report thread, ALL the results must be filled out. I have done this several times as well so I'm not perfect, but I do ALWAYS make sure it's filled out in the end. Right now you have the results for the first two matches but not the last two. This is unacceptable. People depend on these live report threads to know the results and not everyone chooses to use Liquipedia.
2: DO NOT put your own statements in recommendations section. That is for TL viewers to decide. If you're not going to post a poll for each game, then don't bother having a recommendations section at all. Saying things like "Not worth watching really" and "Dear God do not watch this game" are your personal opinions and not the opinions of other people. Maybe the games were not as bad as you thought or maybe the games were as bad as you thought but you embellished it. The bottom line is, it is not for you to decide but for a poll to decide.
well there is no disputing point No:1
although Point No:2 its been done a lot, hell I've done the same in my LR threads but its always good to not only put out your opinion but a poll at the same time too.
On September 05 2012 01:03 SeeKeR wrote: What the freak is this? TommyP, I appreciate your effort and what you did here by Live Reporting, but you just did two NOT acceptable things.
1: If you create a live report thread, ALL the results must be filled out. I have done this several times as well so I'm not perfect, but I do ALWAYS make sure it's filled out in the end. Right now you have the results for the first two matches but not the last two. This is unacceptable. People depend on these live report threads to know the results and not everyone chooses to use Liquipedia.
2: DO NOT put your own statements in recommendations section. That is for TL viewers to decide. If you're not going to post a poll for each game, then don't bother having a recommendations section at all. Saying things like "Not worth watching really" and "Dear God do not watch this game" are your personal opinions and not the opinions of other people. Maybe the games were not as bad as you thought or maybe the games were as bad as you thought but you embellished it. The bottom line is, it is not for you to decide but for a poll to decide.
well there is no disputing point No:1
although Point No:2 its been done a lot, hell I've done the same in my LR threads but its always good to not only put out your opinion but a poll at the same time too.
I've done this before as well, and let me tell you... you get flamed like a bitch. People don't appreciate your own input. And if you do put in your own input, they also want a poll or some other source.
What the fudge guys. They want us to buy season passes to get 480p+ and access to VODs. It's pretty much the worst deal in the world... 480p? Seriously? Even MLG is better than that noise.
On September 05 2012 01:03 SeeKeR wrote: What the freak is this? TommyP, I appreciate your effort and what you did here by Live Reporting, but you just did two NOT acceptable things.
1: If you create a live report thread, ALL the results must be filled out. I have done this several times as well so I'm not perfect, but I do ALWAYS make sure it's filled out in the end. Right now you have the results for the first two matches but not the last two. This is unacceptable. People depend on these live report threads to know the results and not everyone chooses to use Liquipedia.
2: DO NOT put your own statements in recommendations section. That is for TL viewers to decide. If you're not going to post a poll for each game, then don't bother having a recommendations section at all. Saying things like "Not worth watching really" and "Dear God do not watch this game" are your personal opinions and not the opinions of other people. Maybe the games were not as bad as you thought or maybe the games were as bad as you thought but you embellished it. The bottom line is, it is not for you to decide but for a poll to decide.
well there is no disputing point No:1
although Point No:2 its been done a lot, hell I've done the same in my LR threads but its always good to not only put out your opinion but a poll at the same time too.
I've done this before as well, and let me tell you... you get flamed like a bitch. People don't appreciate your own input. And if you do put in your own input, they also want a poll or some other source.
I'm always deciding on recommended games by myself (for BW). Ppl bitch sure, but imho if ppl do care about that stuff they should never click on the recommended games spoiler to begin with and just watch the whole match. If I see "watch this, bisu played" or "long macro game" or ïntese micro battle" I feel much better and positively informed what to watch if Im to watch the games selectively. I wouldn't do it if Im to make an OP for SC2 though, but if I see your OP with recommended games comments I would defenitely find it useful.
Point 1 is totally valid though, its really annoying not to have the results updated.
I'm sorry I made a post saying I had something to take care of and asked if someone could do polls. I'm back and I'll update it. Please don't hate me!!! Also on polls I did set up (first two games) when I looked at them they were both no. And I thought we were friends... Did you see the NesTea game by the way?
Yeah, no vods? Was this announced in advance somewhere? I was looking forward to watching these. But it's now $20? That's more than GSL for a lot less games, worse casting, and (I believe) just vods from Twitch that don't hide the number of games and so forth instead of a nice, clean website. Just randomly requiring payment with no warning doesn't bode well for their reliability or customer service.... Seems GOM isn't in any danger of getting out-competed any time soon, at least with the foreigner audience.
On September 05 2012 01:09 Holgerius wrote: Wait, did I get this right; OSL VODs will not be available for free?
I remember them saying that it should be free after 30 days though.
is this true?
And when will they be available for those who pay? Got the 20USD subscription to see the VoDs, but they're not there...
I almost expected this. They're still having too many technical issues. It'd be best for them to run this season without charging anything and get the problems ironed out first.
Anyways, poor NesTea... pretty much out of the OSL now already after two losses.
This is brute incompetence guys, I for one won't be paying for this season. They could at least make it customer friendly as the GSL, have a real website, and promise video that isn't fucking blurry as hell. This is 2012, there's no excuse for this.
Seeing as the VODs aren't even available to those who subscribed, maybe it's by mistake that the VODs aren't available. Maybe tweeting Moletrap and Grubby will help alerting them to this problem.
Round robin, so there can still be 1-2 tiebreakers, I think.
Yes, without a doubt they aren't knocked out yet. If a player in their group goes 3-0 and they win their 3rd games then it goes to a three-way tie breaker to see who advances in the 2nd slot.
Not unequivocally. A string of 6+ favorable results for them may give them a chance of regames. (3-0 1-2 1-2 1-2 and then winning the tie-breaker)
On September 05 2012 02:58 Proseat wrote: Seeing as the VODs aren't even available to those who subscribed, maybe it's by mistake that the VODs aren't available. Maybe tweeting Moletrap and Grubby will help alerting them to this problem.
I'll bring this up with them tomorrow. I am not personally responsible, of course, so.
So, the 20$ are for this season only and not for the rest of the year, right? Starting from a Bo1 Ro16. That's really not very much content at all at quite the steep prize. I'll pass on this one (Moletrap casting doesn't make this more attractive tbh), though I really wanted to support a SC2 OSL, oh well. Grubby casting is tempting however, and I won't be able to catch it live, hmmm.
On September 05 2012 02:58 Proseat wrote: Seeing as the VODs aren't even available to those who subscribed, maybe it's by mistake that the VODs aren't available. Maybe tweeting Moletrap and Grubby will help alerting them to this problem.
I'll bring this up with them tomorrow. I am not personally responsible, of course, so.
Thanks, Grubby, you're the best. I'm sure your casting today (which, alas, I cannot witness now because of no VODs) was top-notch.
When you bring this up tomorrow, could you also recommend to them possibly not charging for this very first season as they will need time to iron out the technical mishaps? It would also grow the viewer base for now and possibly translate to more subscriptions the following season.
I've avoided seeing all SC2 news while at work today, have got home and just made it through todays GSL games, then went onto twitch to watch the OSL, and see they aren't available. So I see the subscribe button, and it says that it will give me access to the vods, so I pay the money (even though I don't reallllyyy want to give OGN money yet because of the crap broadcasts we've had so far), and I STILL dont get the vods.
These OGN guys have done an absolutely terrible job of bringing in their SC2 coverage, and they really need to look at what GOM offers and try to at least get somewhere near it.
Really dissapointed. And they already have my money
On September 05 2012 05:41 Pure-SC2 wrote: I feel like such a fricken schmuck.
I've avoided seeing all SC2 news while at work today, have got home and just made it through todays GSL games, then went onto twitch to watch the OSL, and see they aren't available. So I see the subscribe button, and it says that it will give me access to the vods, so I pay the money (even though I don't reallllyyy want to give OGN money yet because of the crap broadcasts we've had so far), and I STILL dont get the vods.
These OGN guys have done an absolutely terrible job of bringing in their SC2 coverage, and they really need to look at what GOM offers and try to at least get somewhere near it.
Really dissapointed. And they already have my money
That blows but Grubby said he would bring it up to them... maybe they will change it... I wouldnt give them my money though
On September 05 2012 07:23 FrigolitH wrote: Missed all of the games, bleh. Any of them particularly good that I should watch later when the VODs come out?
I missed it as well, but I heard Mvp vs Baby was a great match.
I desperately need to watch MVP vs Baby. Does anyone know where I can find any of these VODs (in any language really) ? Please reply or PM me, thank you very much.
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