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As usual, don't player bash, don't flame, and don't balance whine. Failure to heed this warning will have consequences.
DoubleDouble
Profile Joined August 2011
United States106 Posts
August 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#3741
On August 20 2012 01:33 darkest44 wrote:
I hope people finally realize that QXC balance whines too much for a guy who simply doesn't have the skills to win tournaments.

User was warned for this post

qxc speaks the truth. he speaks for the general public and most terrans. nobody can have control like Mvp where he can make ravens look so viable. Mvp was on another level with ghosts before the nerf as well. you think that just because mvp builds ravens its automatically viable? there are so many steps and procedures he takes to actually get to that point. you are a fucking idiot and i hate people like you.

User was warned for this post
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#3742
Wait why don't these guys have booth?

Wouldn't they hear every single words that they casters are saying?
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#3743
On August 20 2012 01:35 LittLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:32 SkelA wrote:
Why zergs doesnt split their army ? They move in a giant blob and seeker missles just destroys everything

Getting too used to a-movin' *

*SENTENCE CONTAINS SARCASM

The sunglasses really sealed that whole thing
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#3744
On August 20 2012 01:35 Yaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:33 Zane wrote:
On August 20 2012 01:33 mambar wrote:
On August 19 2012 23:16 Waxangel wrote:
On August 19 2012 23:16 Dodgin wrote:
hey waxangel tell me more about how mvp is terrible outside GSL


^___________^


if he wins this series, 4-1 nerchio

Apologize

But he was right, his multitasking was so standard on Atlantis.

he was right too when he said that mvp was terrible outside GSL ? I mean, waxangel didn't even think mvp would get out of the open bracket so pretty sure he's got something against him.

Yeh it's pretty funny tbh. Such average multitasking that every Korean terran could pull off is what we've witnessed today.

Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#3745
On August 20 2012 01:35 Huragius wrote:
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On August 20 2012 01:32 SkelA wrote:
Why zergs doesnt split their army ? They move in a giant blob and seeker missles just destroys everything


Zergs don't micro a shit. You barely see any flanks, not even talking about unit splitting O_o


Only the highend micro, and KeSPA players seem to micro. DRG, Stephano (as much as I dislike him), Nestea when he doesn't hate kittens, Symbol.
The Bomber boy
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9269 Posts
August 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#3746
I hope Nerchio will roachbust now
You're now breathing manually
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#3747
guys waxangel will never ever ever ever say mvp will win a game, at least in iem
mambar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States841 Posts
August 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#3748
On August 20 2012 01:35 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:35 mambar wrote:
On August 20 2012 01:33 Zane wrote:
On August 20 2012 01:33 mambar wrote:
On August 19 2012 23:16 Waxangel wrote:
On August 19 2012 23:16 Dodgin wrote:
hey waxangel tell me more about how mvp is terrible outside GSL


^___________^


if he wins this series, 4-1 nerchio

Apologize

But he was right, his multitasking was so standard on Atlantis.

I'm pretty sure Nerchio isn't owning Mvp like Wax kept saying

I was being sarcastic.

Every Romanian I know is sarcastic
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
August 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#3749
On August 20 2012 01:35 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:32 Porcelina wrote:
On August 20 2012 01:29 Bromazepam wrote:
On August 20 2012 01:28 Asha` wrote:
On August 20 2012 01:27 Bromazepam wrote:
Where is your balance whine now?


Best SC2 player in history edging out #2 foreign Zerg?


Typical.


Do you have any objections to the ranking given to those players? I guess Nerchio is debatable? Because you are watching the best player in SC2 history hands down.

Especially MVP is debatable imo.
He is historically the best sc2 player yes, but atm? Dunno, he has had a lot of health issues and he is not as ahead of the other players as he once was.


I am sorry but the initial post you objected to stated unequivocally that Mvp was the 'best SC2 player in history'. You say this is debatable but that he is historically the best SC2 player?

???
DasHawk
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark362 Posts
August 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#3750
I must say that this have been the most successfull IEM turnament so far, its just been all around good. Good commentating, good scheduling, no big problems, not too much wait inbetween matches, good turnament format, great games. Only think i dont like is the super akward host, he's pretty fail :-/

And i think its showing in the impressive viewer numbers, cant remember a IEM turnament having this many viewers for a loooong time. And its even crazy good weather in most of europe right now. But i guess SC2 > Sun :D
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
August 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#3751
On August 20 2012 01:30 yoshi245 wrote:
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On August 20 2012 01:28 Leetley wrote:
On August 20 2012 01:27 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Maybe the Raven buff will help Terran out late game after all

Meh, it's just a speed buff.


Speed buff only helps a tiny amount, but I agree. It's meh and doesn't address the issue. Ravens are basically floating detectors until they eventually get enough energy to cast a missle. Makes their relative cost (not even including upgrades), hardly worth enough unless the Terran is very rich on a macro map like Atlantis or Metro. Try pulling this on possibly a smaller map like Ohana or Daybreak, probably not as easy.

Mmm. But it has been seen that proper amount of ravens and vikings obliterate any air flock. It usually comes down to micro.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
August 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#3752
On August 20 2012 01:35 Irre wrote:
I really wish people would acknowledge how much of a B word MVP is for Sc2...winning winning winning through every single part of sc2, even with injuries and bad state of terran it doesnt matter he is ALWAYS the favorite ALWAYS a champion!

and then some guy says he has bad mechanics and another says he is terrible outside of korea.
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
August 19 2012 16:37 GMT
#3753
On August 20 2012 01:34 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:32 Porcelina wrote:
On August 20 2012 01:29 Bromazepam wrote:
On August 20 2012 01:28 Asha` wrote:
On August 20 2012 01:27 Bromazepam wrote:
Where is your balance whine now?


Best SC2 player in history edging out #2 foreign Zerg?


Typical.


Do you have any objections to the ranking given to those players? I guess Nerchio is debatable? Because you are watching the best player in SC2 history hands down.


I am watching the accomplishments of a player getting belittled by the biggest foreigner-bashing balance-whiner of the forum only because he's foreigner and zerg.


Nerchio's accomplishments are quite marginal compared to MVP. That isn't belittling it is just a fact
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
August 19 2012 16:37 GMT
#3754
On August 20 2012 01:35 Waxangel wrote:
true, the 3 - 1 is impossible but I'm sure he'll get the 3 - 2


Its not funny anymore... Stop disrespecting Mvp. Seriously.
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
August 19 2012 16:37 GMT
#3755
On August 20 2012 01:36 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:34 zmansman17 wrote:
On August 20 2012 01:33 darkest44 wrote:
I hope people finally realize that QXC balance whines too much for a guy who simply doesn't have the skills to win tournaments.


This match has nothing to do with Balance.,

This is MVP. You are watching one of the Best plauers in the world

And that is the only place where balance should matter. and so far, it seems balanced.


Not exactly because what he can do 99.99% of players cannot. Balance can't even be generalized from the best player in the world.
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
August 19 2012 16:37 GMT
#3756
On August 20 2012 01:35 Zwerver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:27 Fusilero wrote:
Naaaarchio hasn't even forced MVP to open his mouth yet.

You've been looking at the wrong times, he probaly switches keyboard every game with the amount he is drooling.


Drooling makes you win.
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
August 19 2012 16:37 GMT
#3757
On August 20 2012 01:34 zmansman17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:33 darkest44 wrote:
I hope people finally realize that QXC balance whines too much for a guy who simply doesn't have the skills to win tournaments.


This match has nothing to do with Balance.,

This is MVP. You are watching one of the Best plauers in the world


It's a dumb statement anyway, QXC never balance whines because he doesn't feel like he's on a level where he is allowed to.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33526 Posts
August 19 2012 16:37 GMT
#3758
On August 20 2012 01:36 sam05396 wrote:
guys waxangel will never ever ever ever say mvp will win a game, at least in iem


never, ever
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
August 19 2012 16:37 GMT
#3759
On August 20 2012 01:29 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:27 mcc wrote:
not Stephano yet

Because Stephano definitely would not lose vs Mvp, right? >_<

I have no idea, I was commenting on lategame management of Nerchio compared to Stephano. Nerchio seems to be better at holding all-ins than Stephano, but his maxed army, lategame play is lacking compared to Stephano. Plus Stephano's decision making is also somewhat better.
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 16:38:13
August 19 2012 16:37 GMT
#3760
On August 20 2012 01:34 zmansman17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:33 darkest44 wrote:
I hope people finally realize that QXC balance whines too much for a guy who simply doesn't have the skills to win tournaments.


This match has nothing to do with Balance.,

This is MVP. You are watching one of the Best plauers in the world


How so? Nerchio is also a top player obviously. MVP has used Raven's quite effictively over and over. Balance should be judged by the best players is the point, not guys who never win anything. Players who can't win any tournaments anyway calling units useless is misleading.
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