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Bubulefou
Profile Joined February 2011
France29 Posts
October 18 2011 18:49 GMT
#261
How can we get a ticket? Is it the same ticket for Paris Games Week?

I'll be there. To see MKP in action.
Xodushai
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden174 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 18:51:38
October 18 2011 18:50 GMT
#262
My predictions:
1: Marineking, HayprO
2: MC, meRz
3: Idra, ClouD
4: ThorZaIN, DarKFoRcE
5: Stephano, Grubby
6: Nerchio, Strelok
7: SjoW, Socke
8: MaNa, elfi

Exited to finally see cArn at a live event!
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
October 18 2011 18:57 GMT
#263
On October 19 2011 00:46 AIOL! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 18:40 Shaetan wrote:
On October 18 2011 18:00 Larsin wrote:
On October 18 2011 08:54 Shaetan wrote:
1: MKP/Haypro
2: MC/Bischu
3: IdrA/Cloud
4: Thorzain/Darkforce
5: Stephano/Grubby
6: Nerchio/Strelok
7: Sjow/Socke
8. Mana/Elfi

RO16:
MKP>Bischu
Mana>Socke
Thorzain>Cloud
Stephano>Strelok
MC>Haypro
Sjow>Elfi
Idra>Darkforce
Nerchio>Grubby

RO8:
MKP>Mana
Stephano>Thorzain
MC>Sjow
Idra>Nerchio

SF:
MKP>Stephano
MC>Idra

F:
MKP>MC


I totally agree with ur list out of the groups. Idra is going to have a lot of ZvZ. He can easily make a mistake and loose one of those series.


His ZvZ is fairly good. I think (and this is speculative) that lately he has realized that he can play slightly safer in the early game against most opponents (read: not Koreans) and even if he is behind as a result, make up for it with mechanics. This should allow him to beat most of the Zs in his group. I don't know about Nerchio, haven't really seen him play so I just went with a bit of fanboyism there. I do remember that Idra lost to him in IPL2 (iirc) so we'll see.


I can't disagree more, Nerchio has a beasty ZvZ (just behind Stephano in eu), he can roflstomp idra who isn't as strong in ZvZ as his other MU.

And you have a really good way to know the "strongness" of a top Zerg in ZvZ : look the ratio : )

-cause you must know why Terran have in general a better ratio than the other races, the TvT isn't a "coin flip", the best player wins most of the time. As a result, win can see the strongest Terrans near 80% most of the time

- on the other hand zergs and protossi got a coin-flip mirror MU, so even if a player is far better than his opponent he may loose (fe vs 7pool = loose), this results as a ratio slighty better than 70% for the best.

-you can find a good toss or zerg in mirror when he has a really good ratio, this means he doesn't loose that much in mirro MU. For exemple ToD has a good PvP and one of the best P ratio in europe. Lalush and Nerchio are known for there ZvZ so they are over 75%. But Darkforce who is as good as Lalush in ZvT (if not better) is not that concistent in ZvZ.


All this shit to say that Nerchio got a reall strong ZvZ and can beat Idra (i didn't find idra's ratio but i think it's behind the Nerchio's 79 :S). Moreover i think he alredy 3-0 him in IPL2... so let's see. I'd give 60-40 in Nerchio's favor.



I even said that I was fanboying by predicting Idra>Nerchio. Nerchio's ZvZ is ~70%, Idra's is ~71%.

I personally don't think Stephano's ZvZ was that impressive (only games I saw were those vs. Lucky) so if Nerchio's is close to that I think it should be fairly even (if not slight edge to Idra).

That 3-0 series was interesting, do you remember how the games went?
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DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 18 2011 19:18 GMT
#264
Meh, it's hard to make predictions before brackets come out. It really really depends on how the brackets are laid out.

IMO the clear favourite is MKP. The only people in this tournament that have a chance to beat him are: MC, IdrA, Stephano. And even than, IdrA/Stephano are a small chance.

IdrA has a good chance to win if he can avoid Nerchio/Stephano. His ZvZ can be spotty sometimes (even though I think he has improved lately). He's shown he is capable of beating anyone ZvT (including MKP). And his ZvP looked strong enough to beat MC at MLG (even though he inevitably lost that series).

Nerchio has a decent chance if he can get over LAN nerves and perform like he does online. Also, I think he'd need to avoid MKP and to a lesser extent MC.

Stephano needs to avoid MKP and he has a solid chance too.

Hell, basically any of the 3 zergs (stephano, idra, nerchio) has a strong chance if someone else knocks out MKP lol
leBIGcrab
Profile Joined February 2011
France313 Posts
October 18 2011 19:20 GMT
#265
I'm seeing Idra... And i'm really excited about Carn playing this. Gonna be the 1st time i see his korean training and it's gonna be live! Awesome.
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
October 18 2011 19:32 GMT
#266
On October 19 2011 04:18 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh, it's hard to make predictions before brackets come out. It really really depends on how the brackets are laid out.

IMO the clear favourite is MKP. The only people in this tournament that have a chance to beat him are: MC, IdrA, Stephano. And even than, IdrA/Stephano are a small chance.

IdrA has a good chance to win if he can avoid Nerchio/Stephano. His ZvZ can be spotty sometimes (even though I think he has improved lately). He's shown he is capable of beating anyone ZvT (including MKP). And his ZvP looked strong enough to beat MC at MLG (even though he inevitably lost that series).

Nerchio has a decent chance if he can get over LAN nerves and perform like he does online. Also, I think he'd need to avoid MKP and to a lesser extent MC.

Stephano needs to avoid MKP and he has a solid chance too.

Hell, basically any of the 3 zergs (stephano, idra, nerchio) has a strong chance if someone else knocks out MKP lol


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Electronic_Sports_World_Cup_2011/Main_Tournament
Bracket format is listed.
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MyNameIsAlex
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece827 Posts
October 18 2011 19:32 GMT
#267
moutas is zerg
Motoorhead
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland67 Posts
October 18 2011 20:14 GMT
#268
On October 19 2011 04:18 DoomsVille wrote:

He's shown he is capable of beating anyone ZvT (including MKP). And his ZvP looked strong enough to beat MC at MLG (even though he inevitably lost that series).



He lost to MKP in pretty convincing fashion. The game he won was MKP making laugh of him going mech lol. No, he is not capable of beating anyone ZvT. Stop trolling fanboys.
If you never stop - failure is not an option.
Sabre
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1086 Posts
October 18 2011 20:15 GMT
#269
Blizzcon AND ESWC. IN ONE WEEKEND. Get hyped :D
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Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
October 18 2011 20:27 GMT
#270
On October 19 2011 05:14 Motoorhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 04:18 DoomsVille wrote:

He's shown he is capable of beating anyone ZvT (including MKP). And his ZvP looked strong enough to beat MC at MLG (even though he inevitably lost that series).



He lost to MKP in pretty convincing fashion. The game he won was MKP making laugh of him going mech lol. No, he is not capable of beating anyone ZvT. Stop trolling fanboys.


His ZvP is going to be his downfall but in G3 vs MKP if he hadn't gotten overeager running headlong into the remnants of MKPs army with tiny groups of units and had instead pulled back regrouped and attacked he likely would have won.
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Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 20:31:20
October 18 2011 20:29 GMT
#271
On October 19 2011 04:18 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh, it's hard to make predictions before brackets come out. It really really depends on how the brackets are laid out.

IMO the clear favourite is MKP. The only people in this tournament that have a chance to beat him are: MC, IdrA, Stephano. And even than, IdrA/Stephano are a small chance.

IdrA has a good chance to win if he can avoid Nerchio/Stephano. His ZvZ can be spotty sometimes (even though I think he has improved lately). He's shown he is capable of beating anyone ZvT (including MKP). And his ZvP looked strong enough to beat MC at MLG (even though he inevitably lost that series).

Nerchio has a decent chance if he can get over LAN nerves and perform like he does online. Also, I think he'd need to avoid MKP and to a lesser extent MC.

Stephano needs to avoid MKP and he has a solid chance too.

Hell, basically any of the 3 zergs (stephano, idra, nerchio) has a strong chance if someone else knocks out MKP lol

I think MC is the favorite after his MLG run, he has positive records vs Idra, Stephano, and MKP, both of whom he just beat at MLG. Yeah Idra took a game off MC...but that's Dual Sight man that's a free win :D. Also I think Nerchio has no chance against MKP and MC...he's fallen to much weaker Protoss and the only good korean Terran he faced he got 3-0ed.
quakerix
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands172 Posts
October 18 2011 20:41 GMT
#272
On October 19 2011 03:49 Bubulefou wrote:
How can we get a ticket? Is it the same ticket for Paris Games Week?

I'll be there. To see MKP in action.


Yes its the same ticket as Paris Games Week

On October 19 2011 04:32 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
moutas is zerg


Fixed, thanks.
e-Sports freelancer
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
October 18 2011 21:40 GMT
#273
I'm surprised they keep running this tournament considering they still owe a shitload of money.
Terran & Potato Salad.
quakerix
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 21:57:13
October 18 2011 21:56 GMT
#274
On October 19 2011 06:40 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
I'm surprised they keep running this tournament considering they still owe a shitload of money.


Technically they don't.
e-Sports freelancer
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
October 18 2011 22:23 GMT
#275
On October 19 2011 06:56 quakerix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 06:40 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
I'm surprised they keep running this tournament considering they still owe a shitload of money.


Technically they don't.

explain please
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quakerix
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands172 Posts
October 18 2011 22:27 GMT
#276
On October 19 2011 07:23 Shaetan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 06:56 quakerix wrote:
On October 19 2011 06:40 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
I'm surprised they keep running this tournament considering they still owe a shitload of money.


Technically they don't.

explain please


The brand ESWC was previously owned by another company that went bankrupt. The new company that owns the ESWC brand are not obliged by law to pay debts made by the previous owners.

The new company organised last years ESWC and paid out just a few weeks after the event.
e-Sports freelancer
ENM_Alexb
Profile Joined July 2010
United States129 Posts
October 18 2011 22:39 GMT
#277
On October 19 2011 05:14 Motoorhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 04:18 DoomsVille wrote:

He's shown he is capable of beating anyone ZvT (including MKP). And his ZvP looked strong enough to beat MC at MLG (even though he inevitably lost that series).



He lost to MKP in pretty convincing fashion. The game he won was MKP making laugh of him going mech lol. No, he is not capable of beating anyone ZvT. Stop trolling fanboys.


even MKP said he doesnt want to play idra, and that him and nestea are the toughest zergs to play
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lfmw8/i_have_puma_mkp_and_rain_in_the_same_room_ask/
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
October 18 2011 22:44 GMT
#278
On October 19 2011 07:27 quakerix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 07:23 Shaetan wrote:
On October 19 2011 06:56 quakerix wrote:
On October 19 2011 06:40 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
I'm surprised they keep running this tournament considering they still owe a shitload of money.


Technically they don't.

explain please


The brand ESWC was previously owned by another company that went bankrupt. The new company that owns the ESWC brand are not obliged by law to pay debts made by the previous owners.

The new company organised last years ESWC and paid out just a few weeks after the event.


Thank you for the info, I wasnt aware of this take over.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
October 18 2011 22:46 GMT
#279
Haha I forgot this was going on the same weekend as Blizzcon. Gogo MKP, MC, and IdrA!
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
October 18 2011 22:58 GMT
#280
On October 19 2011 05:14 Motoorhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 04:18 DoomsVille wrote:

He's shown he is capable of beating anyone ZvT (including MKP). And his ZvP looked strong enough to beat MC at MLG (even though he inevitably lost that series).



He lost to MKP in pretty convincing fashion. The game he won was MKP making laugh of him going mech lol. No, he is not capable of beating anyone ZvT. Stop trolling fanboys.


Did you not watch his games against Bomber? Those were some of the baddest ass ZvT I have seen in a long time. In an interview with MKP/Puma/Rain, two of them said that among the most feared ZvT are IdrA/Nestea/DRG + Show Spoiler +
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lfmw8/i_have_puma_mkp_and_rain_in_the_same_room_ask/
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