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MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
May 12 2011 01:14 GMT
#201
That was painful to watch

bring it back sheth!
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
starfish
Profile Joined April 2011
United States102 Posts
May 12 2011 01:14 GMT
#202
artosis looks so menacing here, GO ARTOSIS!
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
May 12 2011 01:14 GMT
#203
Very strong play by Kiwikaki. Have never seen that build before, but am sure to play against it quite a few in the near future.
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
May 12 2011 01:15 GMT
#204
Neither player was abusive, the correct response to a fast expanding toss is to double expand. Kiwi smartly at the observer, which made his stalkers unbeatable against roaches. More lings, or hydra/ling, would have held better, as Idra said.

delo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States333 Posts
May 12 2011 01:15 GMT
#205
It's a map.

LOL
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 01:17:54
May 12 2011 01:15 GMT
#206
On May 12 2011 10:08 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 10:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:00 Mordiford wrote:
On May 12 2011 09:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 12 2011 09:55 Mordiford wrote:
Ugh... I just got put off by IdrA's casting already...

"Moon is certainly the better player"...

I really don't like that, it just feels dismissive to hear, particularly considering that even while playing like shit, Rainbow still just got knocked out of Code S, and Moon isn't even in Code A.


You make that soon like Moon is bad. Stability in Code S and A is at best a fantasy.


Moon isn't bad by any means, I didn't even mean to imply that. He just certainly isn't the better player as IdrA said...

Also, second thing that I just found that bugs me, I actually mentioned this in the EG Master's Cup thread as something I was worried about with IdrA's casting, but there weren't really notable offenses in the EGMC. "Kiwikaki is abusive", what does the even mean? I never understood what that could be interpreted as other than abusing balance of the game, unless he means abusing the playstyles of his opponents, which I doubt.


I don't see how you can say that either. Rainbow's been on the downslide since his apex, and Moon went down to players who've had surprising success in GSL (Lyn, anypro, hell Virus too).

Kiwikaki abuses the strengths of his race, like any good player.


I can't say that I don't think Moon is necessarily "certainly the better player", what?

If every good player abuses the strengths of their race, what's the point of the word? I've never seen IdrA call a Zerg abusive.


I agree with Idra because of results, who these players are winning/losing against, and how they are losing. You're entitled to your opinion, I just disagree with it.

There is no point. "Abuse" is just recognition and application of your race's strengths. Idra is obviously biased in thinking Protoss' strengths are imba, but he knows their strengths nonetheless. He just thinks they are unfair.
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Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 12 2011 01:15 GMT
#207
WP by kiwi, gonna steal this build
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Aeo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States113 Posts
May 12 2011 01:16 GMT
#208
Anyone know the theme that played briefly during the last break?
"We gotta go to the crappy town where I'm the hero!"
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
May 12 2011 01:16 GMT
#209
I love hearing Idra cast. His analysis is just gold. Even his stream vod analysis was amazing. Well done NASL.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 12 2011 01:16 GMT
#210
Artosis says NesTea is the better player when he saves BitByBit.

They should fire him because he is obviously a zerg fanboy~

God you people bitch so much.
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 12 2011 01:16 GMT
#211
She be pointed out that Idra has commentated GSL and he did fine then. And we got the Darth Vader-style grin gif.
Sight-
Profile Joined January 2011
184 Posts
May 12 2011 01:16 GMT
#212
I really like idra as a commentator. He's knowledgeable and less afraid of showing it. I don't think he minds being wrong
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 12 2011 01:16 GMT
#213
I personally hate the word "abusive" used to describe stuff in SC2. Its use really has no benefits, all it does is connote some sort of imbalance/cheapness when it's used to describe play. This game is about winning by any means possible. The word "abuse" has no place in a competitive game like SC2 where the rules are all defined by the game itself. The term "abusive style" just makes it sound like one player is bullying the other around in a dishonorable way, and paints a mental image of the "abused" player as some crying, whimpering, bruised individual, curled up in a corner somewhere. It's just a stupid word that's inappropriate for a competitive RTS, in my opinion.
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 12 2011 01:17 GMT
#214
Loving idras analysis
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
May 12 2011 01:17 GMT
#215
Big mistake from Sheth not getting that hatch down before the probe came.
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
May 12 2011 01:18 GMT
#216
Are those games played in 1.3.3?
xlord 5:0
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 12 2011 01:18 GMT
#217
On May 12 2011 10:16 HolyArrow wrote:
I personally hate the word "abusive" used to describe stuff in SC2. Its use really has no benefits, all it does is connote some sort of imbalance/cheapness when it's used to describe play. This game is about winning by any means possible. The word "abuse" has no place in a competitive game like SC2 where the rules are all defined by the game itself. The term "abusive style" just makes it sound like one player is bullying the other around in a dishonorable way, and paints a mental image of the "abused" player as some crying, whimpering, bruised individual, curled up in a corner somewhere. It's just a stupid word that's inappropriate for a competitive RTS, in my opinion.



Abusive can equal smart.

If my opennent double expands I can "abuse" that by doing a 4 gate.
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Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 12 2011 01:18 GMT
#218
Probe blocks hatchery for sheth
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
AimForTheBushes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1760 Posts
May 12 2011 01:18 GMT
#219
On May 12 2011 10:16 HolyArrow wrote:
I personally hate the word "abusive" used to describe stuff in SC2. Its use really has no benefits, all it does is connote some sort of imbalance/cheapness when it's used to describe play. This game is about winning by any means possible. The word "abuse" has no place in a competitive game like SC2 where the rules are all defined by the game itself. The term "abusive style" just makes it sound like one player is bullying the other around in a dishonorable way, and paints a mental image of the "abused" player as some crying, whimpering, bruised individual, curled up in a corner somewhere. It's just a stupid word that's inappropriate for a competitive RTS, in my opinion.


Well, thank you for that opinion. It definitely helped me understand game 1 better.
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
May 12 2011 01:19 GMT
#220
On May 12 2011 10:13 1Eris1 wrote:
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On May 12 2011 10:11 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:09 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:08 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:06 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:05 dunc wrote:
18 Nexus.. very abusive.

Jesus, can we at least keep idiotic balance stuff out of casting please. Kiwikaki is a very good player, he's not "abusive".



.....Are you serious?


Yes, I'm serious.



Abusive doesn't equal imbalance, christ. It means you do something designed to do tons of damage if your oppenent doesn't react correctly.


I know what abusive is, christ. How does 18 nexus fall under that category? It doesn't. Idra just loves calling every single Protoss in the world abusive.

He's good at casting but it would be better if they wouldn't let him cast Protoss.



Because it gives you a huge early economy and quick tech? Were you not listening at all?


I have no idea why I bother arguing with one of the biggest Idra fanboys but no. That's not the case.

Honestly if you want to put stuff in perspective like that every single build in Starcraft 2 is abusive. It's such a fucking retarded way to describe things. I guess he should have 4gated but that would have been abusive too. 3gate sentry expand is abusive too.
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