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On April 25 2011 13:41 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 13:29 Fighter wrote:It kind of blows me away every time Boxer wins. TSL Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +He looked disappointing in the GSL, then he came out like a beast in the TSL before getting destroyed by HasuObs. And then this series against Sen... he wins game 2 on metalopolis, but close positions throw a bit of a bitter taste on his win, and then in game 3 he floats tons of minerals and gas but wins convincingly.
I really don't know what to think about him. : / Edit: Added spoiler tags. Sorry Scribble >_> He has sloppy mechanics at times, but hopefully he gets better and better. At the moment he's a fan favorite because of his history and perhaps a bit of the fact that he isn't the best right now, which makes him an underdog as well.
Yeah, it's pretty cool to root for somebody that's simultaneously a Legend and an underdog.
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I'm not a Code A player but I never ever have more than 1-1.2k minerals floating unless I'm maxed out. What's with Boxer's macro? 2k + is like a whole 1 and a half minutes of not spending AT ALL.
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On April 25 2011 13:44 DuckloadDimaga wrote:
I'm not a Code A player but I never ever have more than 1-1.2k minerals floating unless I'm maxed out. What's with Boxer's macro? 2k + is like a whole 1 and a half minutes of not spending AT ALL.
boxer has never been one for good macro, his multitasking is his greatest weakness...his micro and strategies are what make up for it though
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On April 25 2011 13:42 Turgid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 13:39 Warrior Madness wrote:On April 25 2011 13:32 woody60707 wrote:On April 25 2011 13:26 Warrior Madness wrote:
Dammit.... Sen HAD that. Huh? The only time in that game you can say Sen had that was at GLHF, because it went all down hill after that. Only Sen could comeback from an all in the way he did. What sen did after that all in was cut corners and take some risks, pumping out 20+ drones, delaying his baneling speed in favour of mutas. When Boxer was at his doorstep he didn't rally all his mutas lings and banelings together before attacking. He attacked in piecemeal, and didn't bring all his banelings.... If he had brought them and waited just a little bit he would've cleaned up that small force pretty easily and his economy from his massive droning would've started to kick in. Yeah, I absolutely agree. Like I said on the other page, Boxer's macro(or his timing, probably both) made the push weaker than it should have been, and it happened right as the mutalisks got out instead of, say, when the spire was halfway done. A lot was going right in setting that fight up as a victory for Sen until the actual engagement.
Boxer was floating minerals early game because he had to float his barracks back to his base. He was floating resources mid-game because his macro fell behind due to losing two barracks and not rebuilding enough new ones. I agree that Sen had a chance to come back because of this, but you probably noticed that Boxer pushed out BEFORE his production kicked in. Once his production kicked in there was a flood of units from his base to Sen's. Had Boxer waited, it might have been better or worse for him - it's pretty hard to say. The early push out had the advantage of catching Sen before his tech was up. A later push out would've been much larger.
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On April 25 2011 13:45 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 13:42 Turgid wrote:On April 25 2011 13:39 Warrior Madness wrote:On April 25 2011 13:32 woody60707 wrote:On April 25 2011 13:26 Warrior Madness wrote:
Dammit.... Sen HAD that. Huh? The only time in that game you can say Sen had that was at GLHF, because it went all down hill after that. Only Sen could comeback from an all in the way he did. What sen did after that all in was cut corners and take some risks, pumping out 20+ drones, delaying his baneling speed in favour of mutas. When Boxer was at his doorstep he didn't rally all his mutas lings and banelings together before attacking. He attacked in piecemeal, and didn't bring all his banelings.... If he had brought them and waited just a little bit he would've cleaned up that small force pretty easily and his economy from his massive droning would've started to kick in. Yeah, I absolutely agree. Like I said on the other page, Boxer's macro(or his timing, probably both) made the push weaker than it should have been, and it happened right as the mutalisks got out instead of, say, when the spire was halfway done. A lot was going right in setting that fight up as a victory for Sen until the actual engagement. Boxer was floating minerals early game because he had to float his barracks back to his base. He was floating resources mid-game because his macro fell behind due to losing two barracks and not rebuilding enough new ones. I agree that Sen had a chance to come back because of this, but you probably noticed that Boxer pushed out BEFORE his production kicked in. Once his production kicked in there was a flood of units from his base to Sen's. Had Boxer waited, it might have been better or worse for him - it's pretty hard to say. The early push out had the advantage of catching Sen before his tech was up. A later push out would've been much larger.
That's a good point.
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On April 25 2011 13:43 I)etox wrote:
great games by boxer today. his macro is still lagging a bit (resource float game 3) but he's definitely improving as a player. hope he's ready to take on the rest of the group, idra's gonna be scary.
Boxers macro was always like that even in his glory days, I dont see it improving that much as thats just not him.
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On April 25 2011 13:44 cablesc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 13:41 Ocedic wrote:On April 25 2011 13:29 Fighter wrote:It kind of blows me away every time Boxer wins. TSL Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +He looked disappointing in the GSL, then he came out like a beast in the TSL before getting destroyed by HasuObs. And then this series against Sen... he wins game 2 on metalopolis, but close positions throw a bit of a bitter taste on his win, and then in game 3 he floats tons of minerals and gas but wins convincingly.
I really don't know what to think about him. : / Edit: Added spoiler tags. Sorry Scribble >_> He has sloppy mechanics at times, but hopefully he gets better and better. At the moment he's a fan favorite because of his history and perhaps a bit of the fact that he isn't the best right now, which makes him an underdog as well. Yeah, it's pretty cool to root for somebody that's simultaneously a Legend and an underdog.
And the fact that he understands showmanship, unlike most players who are afraid to take risks, Boxer cares more about exciting games than winning them, he just happens to win a good deal, too.
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On April 25 2011 13:45 unit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 13:44 DuckloadDimaga wrote:
I'm not a Code A player but I never ever have more than 1-1.2k minerals floating unless I'm maxed out. What's with Boxer's macro? 2k + is like a whole 1 and a half minutes of not spending AT ALL. boxer has never been one for good macro, his multitasking is his greatest weakness...his micro and strategies are what make up for it though
HE had just dropped down a Orbital command and a bunch of mules at the gold..... and he had the game won.. Not really slipping IMO
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In any case, it's unfortunate that Sen was not able to get his revenge on Boxer - but nice try nonetheless. Feels to me like Sen still hasn't quite figured out the best way to approach Boxer's way of play, which is almost always based on early marine pressure (and marine marauder pressure in TvP). Boxer is quite predictable and I think HasuObs exploited that very well in today's TSL games. Sen needs to do the same.
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You guys really need to take into account how much effort and time it takes to properly set up a seige tank line and constant leapfrogging them while spreading out your marines to deal with baneling splash.
I swear if he kept his money down you guys would be complaining about sloppy unit positioning and lack of unit spreading.
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On April 25 2011 13:48 Louuster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 13:43 I)etox wrote:
great games by boxer today. his macro is still lagging a bit (resource float game 3) but he's definitely improving as a player. hope he's ready to take on the rest of the group, idra's gonna be scary. Boxers macro was always like that even in his glory days, I dont see it improving that much as thats just not him.
macroing in sc2 is a lot easier though, but sometimes he focuses too much on micro
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On April 25 2011 13:53 Pajegetc wrote:
You guys really need to take into account how much effort and time it takes to properly set up a seige tank line and constant leapfrogging them while spreading out your marines to deal with baneling splash.
I swear if he kept his money down you guys would be complaining about sloppy unit positioning and lack of unit spreading.
well, as a top level pro you kind of have to do both
that's why the top terrans are ahead of boxer right now because they can do both reasonably well
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Ummm guys ... didn't boxer win?
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On April 25 2011 14:05 Defacer wrote:
Ummm guys ... didn't boxer win?
Yeah but Boxer made some mistakes and I think it's pretty healthy to discuss the games in-depth 
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Loved the highlights at the end. Gretorps face is such a tease
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On April 25 2011 14:19 Turgid wrote:Yeah but Boxer made some mistakes and I think it's pretty healthy to discuss the games in-depth
Okay, fair enough.
But man, what a tough crowd!
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On April 25 2011 13:44 DuckloadDimaga wrote:
I'm not a Code A player but I never ever have more than 1-1.2k minerals floating unless I'm maxed out. What's with Boxer's macro? 2k + is like a whole 1 and a half minutes of not spending AT ALL.
he just took a gold and dropped like 6 mules on it, that means he'll get 1500 minerals in like one minute...
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boxer again slaying SEN , hihi
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On April 25 2011 13:44 cablesc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 13:41 Ocedic wrote:On April 25 2011 13:29 Fighter wrote:It kind of blows me away every time Boxer wins. TSL Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +He looked disappointing in the GSL, then he came out like a beast in the TSL before getting destroyed by HasuObs. And then this series against Sen... he wins game 2 on metalopolis, but close positions throw a bit of a bitter taste on his win, and then in game 3 he floats tons of minerals and gas but wins convincingly.
I really don't know what to think about him. : / Edit: Added spoiler tags. Sorry Scribble >_> He has sloppy mechanics at times, but hopefully he gets better and better. At the moment he's a fan favorite because of his history and perhaps a bit of the fact that he isn't the best right now, which makes him an underdog as well. Yeah, it's pretty cool to root for somebody that's simultaneously a Legend and an underdog.
It's like rooting for Rocky in Rocky Five
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But seriously, some players I just love to see win, like Boxer and FD, and I can't quite describe why. Maybe it's because they gave us a lot in their time. For that matter, I hope FD's time isn't over.
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