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Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
April 22 2011 20:05 GMT
#881
On April 23 2011 04:12 T0fuuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 03:59 omegan wrote:
Only 800 replies for this thread (used to be 3000). Its going down from all the hypes. Now, every game is like the other games. No game looks important. No upset. No one is going to the next round. No one gets butt kicked out of tournament by another player.

IGN ftw.

Can pretty much guarantee that when ro16 comes with all games played at a studio that the numbers will explode. Ign brought 16 players to their studios to make content and people are calling it the best production. Just wait till NASL goes live in the flesh no prerecording and people physically there.

congrats to incontrol!

Round of 16 happens over a weekend it represents a very small portion of the league time wise
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
April 22 2011 20:21 GMT
#882
wow. didnt watch much yesterday but watching a vod right now, sound quality is soooo terrible, i dont think i can even be bothered to watch =/ such an echoing tin sounding VOD.

Gawww NASL has the players why cant they deliver on the production, know what would be awesome seeing all the players from NASL in IPl. Because in terms of everything but the player pool IPL > NASL

IPL season 2 will be sweet though because all but 4 players have to qualify, wich is way more exciting IMO having qualifiers
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 20:28:47
April 22 2011 20:23 GMT
#883
On April 23 2011 05:00 Executor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 04:45 Zeri wrote:
On April 23 2011 04:36 laguu wrote:
NASL is way too analytical. They spend so much time on map and game analysis. IGN casters may not have the best game knowledge but I'm having so much more fun watching it. NASL should think of SC more as ENTERTAINMENT. Just sayin.

And the sound quality needs to be fixed



No. Absolutely not. Competitive starcraft (or ANY game for that matter) didn't get big because people made it entertaining. Its a competitive game. its about the competition and about the game. Players compete to find out who's the best of the best. And spectators watch because of that alone. If you are looking to purely be entertained go watch reality TV or some other over-produced crap. Please think about what you are trying to say...

Hes right your thinking too small. The amount of people that like what your talking about amounts to about half of the Starcraft community that watches reports right now maybe. Wich amount to about 50k max watching a tournament at any given time ( usually it's far less. The 8k people that like that style watching the nasl yesterday ( and I'm sure some of the ones watching would just prefer entertainment) is a really small number in the grand scheme of things if reports wants to succeed it needs to find a nice middle ground ( like ipl) just because it's what you want doesn't mean that it's what most of the casual sc player or just a casual gamer in general who doesn't play sc2 but is interested in watching it wants.

So I think you wrong in that regard more analytical may keep viewers but it's not gonna bring in new ones. NASL will not survive with it's current rating for very long i mean destiny gets about ad many viewers as nasl does. I think if nasl is pulling in less than 30k viewers a night in the coming months it will be very unlikely that it will succeed. Gsl wc had 300,000 viewers live and even that isn't considered incredible at Least for Korea,. So nasl can try to appeal to a minority and fail or find a middle ground appeal to a greater majority and hopefully succeed if they ever fix all the other issues plaguing the league

Couldnt agree more, NASL is small potatoes right now i dont think they will beable to improve much about the show with the revenue they are bringing in right now, they would have to go out of pocket, i would say its worth it though. Honestly they should have made the prize pool significantly less in the first season and invested more in the actual production of the show, whats the point in having huge prize pools if no one wants to watch?

Also replace gretorp i dont think he is very user friendly in terms of getting new viewers and probably 50% or less of the viewers actually like him right now ( i think its probably alot less than that, most people would prefer someone else over gretorp) the way he talks and the words he uses are annoying , also he uses alot of fake excitement in his casts , he should work on sounding generally excited. I thought that maybe i could get used to him, but honestly i dont think its possible its been a week and a half and although hes improved hes just not the right style for the job. Gaw NASL if you could get one thing right make it be the casters, its really important, well actually fix your sound first then the casters.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
Zeri
Profile Joined March 2010
United States773 Posts
April 22 2011 20:30 GMT
#884
On April 23 2011 05:00 Executor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 04:45 Zeri wrote:
On April 23 2011 04:36 laguu wrote:
NASL is way too analytical. They spend so much time on map and game analysis. IGN casters may not have the best game knowledge but I'm having so much more fun watching it. NASL should think of SC more as ENTERTAINMENT. Just sayin.

And the sound quality needs to be fixed



No. Absolutely not. Competitive starcraft (or ANY game for that matter) didn't get big because people made it entertaining. Its a competitive game. its about the competition and about the game. Players compete to find out who's the best of the best. And spectators watch because of that alone. If you are looking to purely be entertained go watch reality TV or some other over-produced crap. Please think about what you are trying to say...

Hes right your thinking too small. The amount of people that like what your talking about amounts to about half of the Starcraft community that watches reports right now maybe. Wich amount to about 50k max watching a tournament at any given time ( usually it's far less. The 8k people that like that style watching the nasl yesterday ( and I'm sure some of the ones watching would just prefer entertainment) is a really small number in the grand scheme of things if reports wants to succeed it needs to find a nice middle ground ( like ipl) just because it's what you want doesn't mean that it's what most of the casual sc player or just a casual gamer in general who doesn't play sc2 but is interested in watching it wants.

So I think you wrong in that regard more analytical may keep viewers but it's not gonna bring in new ones. NASL will not survive with it's current rating for very long i mean destiny gets about ad many viewers as nasl does. I think if nasl is pulling in less than 30k viewers a night in the coming months it will be very unlikely that it will succeed. Gsl wc had 300,000 viewers live and even that isn't considered incredible at Least for Korea,. So nasl can try to appeal to a minority and fail or find a middle ground appeal to a greater majority and hopefully succeed if they ever fix all the other issues plaguing the league



There isn't a real middle ground with this issue. I'm not saying anything about what leagues should really do.. I was just trying to get the point across that while yes expanding and appealing to the masses is good, but it needs to be absolutely grounded in the importance of competition. (ie you cannot say IPL has better production and therefore it is better than the NASL, right now the NASL has better players competing for something more important (right now at least) so that is why it is better)

^^ thats really all I'm trying to say.
You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to quit thinking.
Cathasaigh
Profile Joined April 2010
United States285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 20:39:16
April 22 2011 20:34 GMT
#885
On April 23 2011 05:21 cheesemaster wrote:
wow. didnt watch much yesterday but watching a vod right now, sound quality is soooo terrible, i dont think i can even be bothered to watch =/ such an echoing tin sounding VOD.

Gawww NASL has the players why cant they deliver on the production, know what would be awesome seeing all the players from NASL in IPl. Because in terms of everything but the player pool IPL > NASL

IPL season 2 will be sweet though because all but 4 players have to qualify, wich is way more exciting IMO having qualifiers


Well I'm not a fan of the casters other than djwheat for IPL, plus there's that whole having the entire bracket released on accident thing. But if they had the NASL players, better casters, and didn't get their entire tourny spoiled before a single game was played then I would love the IPL.
This is the tale of Captain Jack Sparrow!
Eschaton
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
April 22 2011 22:45 GMT
#886
On April 23 2011 05:03 Executor1 wrote:
Also these live report threads are getting smaller and smaller only 45 pages angst later defenetly shows a dwindling interest in the league


I'd like nothing more than to be a fan of the NASL and follow the games but when a majority of the time I can't even get the stream to work, well, that's a problem.
dark fury
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden426 Posts
April 23 2011 03:25 GMT
#887
a shame i cant hear the casters today because of the loud music, i was really starting to like incontrol+gretorp.
dark fury
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden426 Posts
April 23 2011 03:30 GMT
#888
haha i love how their voices synch so well with the chill electro music in the post-game analysis. really like it!
DX_4
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany180 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 03:35:39
April 23 2011 03:35 GMT
#889
On April 23 2011 12:30 dark fury wrote:
haha i love how their voices synch so well with the chill electro music in the post-game analysis. really like it!

Day 2-3 thread is here btw.
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