EPTGSL Code A Round of 8 Day 1 - Page 54
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veraliar
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legaton
France1763 Posts
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LDdota
United States1465 Posts
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Steamroller
Finland756 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:44 fearus wrote: Honesty that canon vs hatch cancelling race was like: Losira: 7-2 => Min raise HuK: AA => ALL IN Losira: 7-2 => ...fold.. HuK: AA =>  hahaha yeah pretty much :D | ||
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:49 WingEn wrote: So if any other protoss player went canon rushing and then expanded after failing, it's considered all in? ooohhh. just admit it, it was a failed canon rush. he thought zerg was playing passive that's why he expanded as well in hope to make up for the 550minerals waste. losira simply outplayed him wayyyyyy lot. not talking bad about huk, he was my first idol of sc2 and his plays are interesting, better off the standard playstyles. but his just not good enough to win losira IMO. Have you ever played PvZ before? Ever? It's a forge fast expand. Since BW, you would be able to cannon a Z FE as part of your FE build. It is not cheese, and it is not an all-in. What was an all-in was a one-base roach rush. | ||
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:49 WingEn wrote: So if any other protoss player went canon rushing and then expanded after failing, it's considered all in? ooohhh. just admit it, it was a failed canon rush. he thought zerg was playing passive that's why he expanded as well in hope to make up for the 550minerals waste. losira simply outplayed him wayyyyyy lot. not talking bad about huk, he was my first idol of sc2 and his plays are interesting, better off the standard playstyles. but his just not good enough to win losira IMO. Theres a big difference between a cannon rush and just blocking a zerg expo/forcing a cancel. A true cannon rush is pretty all-in, what Huk did is meant to give breathing room for the toss to fe. | ||
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:48 Durp wrote: LOL, not a single zerg here seems to understand the forge-fe build for Protoss vs Zerg. You MUST cannon the natural and force a cancel or a zerg double expands, and crushes you. This is invariably true. If you feel compelled to argue it, do not; use the search function and you will be proven wrong. HuK did not cheese Losira, that is the appropriate way to forge FE on maps without small chokes (such as Xel Naga or Metal). The cannons are supposed to be canceled, he just did not do it in time. Please understand cheese before crying it. Losira responded appropriate to HuK's play with an all in. No more so than the terrans who punished zerg hatch first with the 2rax/rine all in. + Show Spoiler + Zergs turn ZvP to the same all-in fest of former TvZ. I love this game. Problem with what Huk did was that he built 3 cannons instead of a single cannon to force a cancel. In essence, Huk was all-in mineral wise. And then Losira cancels the hatch while Huk lets all 3 cannons finish. Pretty much Game. Set. Match. All Losira had to do was feign an expansion and bust down the wall knowing Huk will have minimal resistance with 550 minerals down the drain. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
Come on now guys. We don't go after Artosis for saying Templuuurrrrrs, no reason to go after Kelly for her accent. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:50 bennyaus wrote: It isn't cheesing by putting cannons next to a hatch first Zerg, btw. It is standard, punishment for going hatch first. Similar to 2rax pressure vs Z going hatch first. It isn't cheesy, it is a pressure designed to counter it. Terrans are not punished for a 2rax barracks pressure that does no damage. Protoss are EXTREMELY behind if their cannons do little to no damage.. | ||
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Yokoblue
Canada594 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:48 Durp wrote: LOL, not a single zerg here attacking HuK seems to understand the forge-fe build for Protoss vs Zerg. You MUST cannon the natural and force a cancel or a zerg double expands, and crushes you. This is invariably true. If you feel compelled to argue it, do not; use the search function and you will be proven wrong. HuK did not cheese Losira, that is the appropriate way to forge FE on maps without small chokes (such as Xel Naga or Metal). The cannons are supposed to be canceled, he just did not do it in time. Please understand cheese before crying it. Losira responded appropriate to HuK's play with an all in. No more so than the terrans who punished zerg hatch first with the 2rax/rine all in. + Show Spoiler + Zergs turn ZvP to the same all-in fest of former TvZ. I love this game. Ace Forge FE and never canon rushed... Ur agument is wrong Ace won IEM btw... | ||
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greycubed
United States615 Posts
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
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zYwi3c
Poland1811 Posts
Lets hope he will not face MVP or MKP ;D | ||
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tsularesque
Canada226 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:48 Canucklehead wrote: Only issue with new caster is he has one level for his voice and hasn't shown excitement yet. It's the same level throughout the whole cast. Ideally, they can replace Kelly with Klazart. Then you have enjoyable voices and one can get excited enough for both of them. | ||
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RJ231
Canada19 Posts
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mcgriddle
United States253 Posts
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kuroshiro
United Kingdom378 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:39 emc wrote: GG, losira wins with aggressive 1 base roach play. strange, every protoss I see demolish zerg players, but with huk, it's like he is clearly worse than the zerg players and is struggling to win every game. Or maybe losira is actually really good, I can't really tell. Huk looks to be refusing to use the standard `zerg-killer' build that you see protoss's owning with. If zerg knows that you never do it then you can set up to essentially blind counter mass gateway with roaches. Obviously Huk knows this but is confident enough in his control to compensate for that. I guess he's got some way to go with that. Anyway my point is that it's difficult to compare him with other toss in PvZ because he uses a completely different build. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:47 dani` wrote: If you would have watched you would have known the Cannons finished *before* LosirA canceled the Hatchery. Still though, I think HuK could have canceled at least 1 Cannon, no need to have 3 if he would have let the Hatchery finish. Yea, Huk's timing on the cannons was very slightly early which makes a huge difference in tht situation. Most of the time he cancels the cannons at the perfect time. I think the decision to expand after he didn't get those cannons cancelled wasn't great, altho he would've been in trouble against tht roach rush anyway. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:51 DrakeFZX3 wrote: Problem with what Huk did was that he built 3 cannons instead of a single cannon to force a cancel. A single canon wont force a cancel. | ||
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HankScorpio
Canada66 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:41 dapierow wrote: Someone needs to give you a smack for that stupid post Well, why don't you come down here and do that, big boy? You don't mock a guy who is supposedly your friend on a television camera - that's what the lock...I mean make up room is for. But I suppose the concept of friendship is foreign to you. | ||
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