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On November 07 2010 06:10 dapierow wrote:
Why are people saying their disappointing in Idra losing to the same strat 3 times in a row? Face it even with hydras with that map NAzgul can abuse anything with blink
Maybe because he threw away a bunch of lings, roaches, and 2 overlords early for no reason? If he really thought blink stalkers were coming there was no reason to do that.
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On November 07 2010 06:10 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 06:03 The KY wrote:On November 07 2010 06:01 Synk wrote:
infestors + speedlings would have raped that, infestors take awhile to get out but its easy to buy enough time with speedlings. If he could get hydra out he could have had FG as well, really sucks to see a high caliber player lose to such a cheap cheap strategy in a BO3. I know its all about winning but at what cost, so you have 1 good cheese build thats great. What are you going to do in the next series, and the series after that when people know exactly how to counter it. I hate seeing anyone win in that fasion, just abused a cheap strategy, but I'm equally disappointed that Idra didn't really adapt his play to it at all. Maybe Nazgul knew Idra would be so cocky that he wouldn't even change his play up and thats why he did it 3 times in a row... but man that felt really stupid and cheap to watch. There's always one...if the game doesn't go on for 45 minutes and have 4 bases some no hoper will call it stupid, cheap or boring. That's not true. Even 45 minutes games, 4+ bases, nukes and storms is not enough to prevent people from making the "that was nothing special" posts.
Haha, sadly true. I guess people in groups literally are just stupid as fuck.
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On November 07 2010 06:11 jacclark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 06:07 Joementum wrote:
LMFAO. All of teamliquid practiced ONE build versus IdrA? I commend TL on their practicing, but it just goes to show you that IdrA really is that big of a thread. As a former top-level gamer and athlete, my experience shows that no one really enjoys poor sportsmanship. Competition is difficult enough without needless unpleasantries. Eventually, people get fed up and group together to deal with that behaviour. Like a bully, you eventually got to deal with him before it gets worse.
I really really don't think that's what it is. I'm pretty sure it's the threat thing.
And while Nazgul's blinks in game 3 didn't impress me, in game 1 he blinked almost perfectly, it was outstanding.
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On November 07 2010 06:11 neoenigma wrote:
I really, really wish Huk only made blink stalkers and abused kulas against Ret. I bet all the liquid fans here would change their tune.
I would lose all respect for HuK if he did that.
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On November 07 2010 06:10 HydroXy wrote:
Damnit, I chose to go to the gym at 30 minutes into game 2 of Socke v Jinro, hoping that they wouldn't cast Idra's game. Sure enough, as I walk in the door I hear "huge upset by Nazgul."
Did Jinro win game 2?
What happened to Idra? Was it even 2-1?
Oh man you missed an epic game 2 there with Jinro and Socke. And yes Idra lost 2-1, naz going 1 base blink stalkers in all three games.
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On November 07 2010 06:11 neoenigma wrote:
I really, really wish Huk only made blink stalkers and abused kulas against Ret. I bet all the liquid fans here would change their tune.
I would laugh my ass off if it was like Kiwikaki vs Haypro finals and Kiwi wins using that strategy
or ret, or whatever Liquid'Zeg!
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On November 07 2010 06:09 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 06:07 endlives wrote:On November 07 2010 05:58 TERATON wrote:
Nazgul is bad because he used same build and won with it? how about idra is even worse if he actually lost to it... its an abusive strat. I think the key to his victory was him getting close spawns on metal and then getting the ultra blink abusive kulas-ravine. once i heard that map choice i was like GG already. I'm getting really disappointed with one base play being so effective. blink stalkers is one of the easiest builds to execute, especially if you take it all in like he did every time..so funny to hear the commentators raging about the "insane " micro of grabbing a hurt stalker and blinking it to the back. So sad Idra didn't crush it. Not suprised TL banded together to cheese him though. Best way to take out a superior all-around player. Please enlighten me how that was cheese? Idra knew it was coming yet he still failed. Why? Because he is more predictable than ppl want to admit. He drones up and drones up.
Why? Because how do you want him to counter it? If he techs up to hydras too quickly, his hydra force will be too late and too small. You have to go roach/ling and hold off long enough. Because of Kulas' easily abusable cliffs it makes it even easier for Nazgul. IdrA was in solid shape in game 3 but the final engagement he misread Nazgul's intention and his army was split so he gg'd out.
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On November 07 2010 06:09 Kazang wrote:
Nazgul bitch slapped Idra tbh. Idra is way too inflexible to counter such smart play. Can't just rely on out macro'ing people every game.
All due respect but in my humble opinion Idra can absolutely rely on pure macro as Zerg, simply because his play is almost flawless past the 15 minute mark. His problem in match three was not getting hyrdas. Had Idra not played so singlemindedly, he would have won.
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nuu mah tye z'd care a pace.
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On November 07 2010 06:11 Minx_x wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 06:10 Azarkon wrote:![[image loading]](http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8167/nazgul22jt.png) "Hai guys I heard Idra is pretty tough what should we do?" ![[image loading]](http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b103/Git-R-Done_LTCG/Nazgul2.jpg) "Boot camp!!!!!!" ![[image loading]](http://www.mymym.com/gfx/haypro-sit.jpg) "Darn I got left behind..." HAHAHAHA amazingggggg :D:D:D:D:D::Dd
Ahahahaha, Epic! very nice 
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On November 07 2010 06:10 vrok wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 06:08 alan25 wrote:
you know what i hate, i hate people calling 1 base "all in" if you expo and just mass drones that's also an " all in " because you're just risking/depending everything on the other guy not attacking you which i find is ridiculous that any of you would even consider that "skill". You do not play zerg. You are completely clueless. Go away and keep your stupid opinions to yourself.
im 2200 u punk
User was warned for this post
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On Nazgul picking Kulas:
The map being on the Blizzard ladder is irrelevant since players of their level devote a lot of practice outside of ladder. Players like HuK, Select, Allaboutyou, etc. are unique in their incorporating the ladder grind into practice.
PvZ revolves around the Protoss' timing attack; completely neglecting a timing attack is not viable. Protoss does not succeed in that matchup with passive play, so aggressive play shouldn't be considered non-standard.
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On November 07 2010 06:13 RaneStari wrote:
YAY 4 gate!
5 gates.
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First of all, Idra is an awesome player and if you let him macro, then you are pretty much done for. Tyler used something similar in the recent show match series, there is no way you should let Idra macro. I am repeating the same thing again but some people on here simply don't understand what strategy is all about. It is out-thinking your opponent and Nazgul did exactly that. He used the same three builds because it was obviously one he had practiced and he knew that there is no way Idra would expect the same in all 3 games.
And for people calling KR imbalanced, yes I can agree. But what I cannot understand is that when Zerg get to choose SS as an easy match where they can drone on like shit, why cannot other races take advantage of Zerg's deficiencies to beat them. Yes, it was right for KR to be removed from the pool but don't talk as if KR was the reason Idra lost the third game. He obviously lost on Metalopolis also which is quite simply the best map in the pool right now.
Fact is as far as the 3 games are concerned, Naz simply out-thought Idra.
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On November 07 2010 06:11 hugman wrote:
The IdrA fanboy tears are so delicious
Haters are just as nauseating as fanboys, fyi.
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Could someone tell me how the map choosing works, is it winners choice or pregame or set maps?
Would be kinda important! Thanks!
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There was a Ret vs. HuK replay in the latest liquid weekly replay pack.
It was a good game, and I've picked the player I want to win based on the result of that game:
+ Show Spoiler +
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Idra always plays greedy yet his fanboys expect Naz to just lie down and let him drone up for eternity? uh...no. Naz with game sense!
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Yeah. PLease tell me wats to stop Huk and all other Protoss' in this torney going Blink rush at Kulas for a free win? And don't even say 6Pool!!
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