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On August 02 2010 05:11 Sfydjklm wrote: well, you have your facts, people can decide for themselves whether 82% winrate over 28 games against best terrans in the world is a worst match up or if it means Morrow is one of the best TvT players in SC2.
If you look at what terrans he faced, except a couple I believe Morrow is clearly the better one. A better player beating a worse one doesn't necessarily give you much information.
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On August 02 2010 05:19 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 05:11 Sfydjklm wrote: well, you have your facts, people can decide for themselves whether 82% winrate over 28 games against best terrans in the world is a worst match up or if it means Morrow is one of the best TvT players in SC2.
If you look at what terrans he faced, except a couple I believe Morrow is clearly the better one. A better player beating a worse one doesn't necessarily give you much information. 4-0 vs each Strelok and Tarson. :O
But yea. Sorta the point. Not too many terrans better then morrow.^^ also i can claim the same about his tvz and tvp. You gotta understand that there is certain finesse when it comes to this arguement, were talking about a top 10 non-korean player with no apparent weak match ups.
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Good job for the 3rd place FA, but I believe you could take the tournament if you played your best. Anyway Morrow is sick as usual on SC2 :p
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On August 02 2010 05:25 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 05:19 nam nam wrote:On August 02 2010 05:11 Sfydjklm wrote: well, you have your facts, people can decide for themselves whether 82% winrate over 28 games against best terrans in the world is a worst match up or if it means Morrow is one of the best TvT players in SC2.
If you look at what terrans he faced, except a couple I believe Morrow is clearly the better one. A better player beating a worse one doesn't necessarily give you much information. 4-0 vs each Strelok and Tarson. :O But yea. Sorta the point. Not too many terrans better then morrow.^^ also i can claim the same about his tvz and tvp. You gotta understand that there is certain finesse when it comes to this arguement, were talking about a top 10 non-korean player with no apparent weak match ups.
and morrow just played strelok in bo3 for craftcup on friday and lost 0-2
just saying! variance!
either way he is a great player no matter what matchup he plays so
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whos the dude that beat morrow?
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On August 02 2010 05:31 Xeris wrote: whos the dude that beat morrow?
see page 10
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Gratz to the win SharkGSjoW! Really cool when a player manages to win a major tournament out of the blue like that.
Great fun too being there too, meeting many of swedish, and finnish, Starcraft folks. See ya soon at some other SC event in the future.
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On August 02 2010 05:25 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 05:19 nam nam wrote:On August 02 2010 05:11 Sfydjklm wrote: well, you have your facts, people can decide for themselves whether 82% winrate over 28 games against best terrans in the world is a worst match up or if it means Morrow is one of the best TvT players in SC2.
If you look at what terrans he faced, except a couple I believe Morrow is clearly the better one. A better player beating a worse one doesn't necessarily give you much information. 4-0 vs each Strelok and Tarson. :O But yea. Sorta the point. Not too many terrans better then morrow.^^ also i can claim the same about his tvz and tvp. You gotta understand that there is certain finesse when it comes to this arguement, were talking about a top 10 non-korean player with no apparent weak match ups.
I'm not saying you are wrong but I don't think the record you posted on previous page necessarily proves your point. You'd have to put in in a larger sample size against terran, protoss and zerg players that are of equal skill level (not just good players) to get a good idea of the strength of each of his match-up. But whatever, I honestly don't care. I just felt like butting in a little. Moving on.
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On August 02 2010 06 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 02 2010 06 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:17 GTR wrote: can't wait for reps Dont get your hopes up, the only games saved are the streamed ones.
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awesome event, everyone is always so manner at these things. im sad naniwa didnt come tho
were many good games and i think show can become a great player if he keeps up the hard work. ive been slacking lately on my practice and it has reflected my scores by not winning any tour yet while in phase 2 i practiced quite a bit and won alot. i can admit im not talented so if i dont get the hours into it im not gonna win, i was happy to come to the finals because there were many great players here.
show is a great guy and im happy he won, i asked him and he said he practiced alot lately and i think he deserve to win because he played smart, creative and fight hard in practice
its maybe uncalled to call judgement on 1 or 2 tvts ive had but in general ive been pretty much unstoppable in tvt since day 1, 10-1 i think my gosugamers stats were there. its just that recently i stopped practicing so much and ppl stopped tank viking (-10 dmg tank nerf) so now i see this new smart style by show just outclassing me, same with strelok some days ago as mentioned in this thread where he just plays a way i have not seen^^
it was a long day and started early in the morning and im sure everyone were tired towards the end i actually only slept about 1 hour this night, maven (admin) called me on my cellphone because i overslept and came 1 hour late, im just so thankful they cares about the players that much and in future i will pay my respects by preparing in practice more and sleeping more, also even more for all the great support ive gotten lately i hope i dont come off as a jackass here with lame excuse of being tired, i think it would he still could have beaten me as easily even if i was at my a-game.
at first when i saw him i thought he was just cheeser but i learned today he is a very smart player with good apm and multitasking, he told me hes actually a macro-oriented player, like swedish TLO bringing creativity with economy )
maybe next tour they should have online qualifiers like enivid said to me because then these finish and danish players could qualify at their home and go here so they dont come and lose qualifier and its a waste. so i think its better with online qualifier. on top of that then u dont have to remove players like zpux just so u can invite the ppl outside sweden, i hope in their future tournaments it will be like this
im very motivated to start practicing now, i learned today that theres much work to be done for me if i want to win in this match up
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^^Looking forward to more games from you. Keep practicing.
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great post morrow always so mannered, look forward to replays. didnt know ur TvT was so strong but tough day i gues for u.
either way thx all for games and i think it was huge succes^^
gj show!
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Awesome tournament, I watched it live whole sunday :O
Btw, did you by chance record those games you streamed. Will there be VoDs for those?
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SjoW is a great player. I've had the pleasure of knowing him since before he was good at wc3 even and he can really take a good foothold in the scene if he puts the hours into it. He has allways been a low apm high efficiency player with good map control and tactics. Yes he used to play protoss in beta and switched to terran in p2 I believe. His terran play is at another level at this point.
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It was really fun to meet everyone again!
Big props to Maven for putting this together, although I must say the people working at IOL were anything but helpful. If they've agreed on hosting a tournament and even have 8 invited people (Where some are from other countries meaning they're actually travelling for hours and living on a hotel or/we) At least they could make the exception of letting the players have a computer available for them for practice/warmup in between games.
Instead we were asked to buy gametime and create accounts if we wanted to play inbetween tournament games (?).
We didn't really have a designated tournament area for day 1, and we weren't even allowed to finish the qualifiers past Quarter finals.
Some of the finnish players who were knocked out were asked to leave for one hour at day2 because "any players who werent part of the tour anymore has to go outside til 10 AM" (Thats when it really opens, we were there at 9 am) But I mean come on? These guys travelled there from finland and now they're throwing them out for 1 hour?!
Interesting note, related to the above, even the players who had matches coming up in 1 hour (at 9 AM) were asked to leave at first and the staff didn't want us to use any of the computers. Although most of the players got kinda upset and were like "Are you fucking serious?" and after some whining here and there they finally let us use some of the computers for warming up.
Again, nothing against Maven and the actual Sc2 admins, they were great, but the ordinary staff at IOL was fucking terrible.
HayprO finished #2 at the last IOL tourney and was rewarded a cash prize + 10 hours of game time at IOL, when he tried to use that to get a comp and practice on, they said "We've got nothing confirming this sorry, you have to pay".
There was probably more but cant think of any at the moment, It'd be really nice if the staff actually showed some sort of sign of customer service next time. Inviting players over then forcing them to pay additional costs just to get a few practice games in here and there seems retarded to me.
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On August 02 2010 10:34 MorroW wrote:awesome event, everyone is always so manner at these things. im sad naniwa didnt come tho were many good games and i think show can become a great player if he keeps up the hard work. ive been slacking lately on my practice and it has reflected my scores by not winning any tour yet while in phase 2 i practiced quite a bit and won alot. i can admit im not talented so if i dont get the hours into it im not gonna win, i was happy to come to the finals because there were many great players here. show is a great guy and im happy he won, i asked him and he said he practiced alot lately and i think he deserve to win because he played smart, creative and fight hard in practice its maybe uncalled to call judgement on 1 or 2 tvts ive had but in general ive been pretty much unstoppable in tvt since day 1, 10-1 i think my gosugamers stats were there. its just that recently i stopped practicing so much and ppl stopped tank viking (-10 dmg tank nerf) so now i see this new smart style by show just outclassing me, same with strelok some days ago as mentioned in this thread where he just plays a way i have not seen^^ it was a long day and started early in the morning and im sure everyone were tired towards the end i actually only slept about 1 hour this night, maven (admin) called me on my cellphone because i overslept and came 1 hour late, im just so thankful they cares about the players that much and in future i will pay my respects by preparing in practice more and sleeping more, also even more for all the great support ive gotten lately  i hope i dont come off as a jackass here with lame excuse of being tired, i think it would he still could have beaten me as easily even if i was at my a-game. at first when i saw him i thought he was just cheeser but i learned today he is a very smart player with good apm and multitasking, he told me hes actually a macro-oriented player, like swedish TLO bringing creativity with economy ) maybe next tour they should have online qualifiers like enivid said to me because then these finish and danish players could qualify at their home and go here so they dont come and lose qualifier and its a waste. so i think its better with online qualifier. on top of that then u dont have to remove players like zpux just so u can invite the ppl outside sweden, i hope in their future tournaments it will be like this im very motivated to start practicing now, i learned today that theres much work to be done for me if i want to win in this match up SjoW you fish 
Anyway, after reading a comment about Madfrog losing to a true old schooler (SjoW), I googled him and realized the guy was around during the very first WC3 ladder season... I knew he used to play WC3 but didn't know he was that old school - that's pretty cool!
On August 02 2010 17:12 meRz wrote: It was really fun to meet everyone again!
Big props to Maven for putting this together, although I must say the people working at IOL were anything but helpful. If they've agreed on hosting a tournament and even have 8 invited people (Where some are from other countries meaning they're actually travelling for hours and living on a hotel or/we) At least they could make the exception of letting the players have a computer available for them for practice/warmup in between games.
Instead we were asked to buy gametime and create accounts if we wanted to play inbetween tournament games (?).
We didn't really have a designated tournament area for day 1, and we weren't even allowed to finish the qualifiers past Quarter finals.
Some of the finnish players who were knocked out were asked to leave for one hour at day2 because "any players who werent part of the tour anymore has to go outside til 10 AM" (Thats when it really opens, we were there at 9 am) But I mean come on? These guys travelled there from finland and now they're throwing them out for 1 hour?!
Interesting note, related to the above, even the players who had matches coming up in 1 hour (at 9 AM) were asked to leave at first and the staff didn't want us to use any of the computers. Although most of the players got kinda upset and were like "Are you fucking serious?" and after some whining here and there they finally let us use some of the computers for warming up.
Again, nothing against Maven and the actual Sc2 admins, they were great, but the ordinary staff at IOL was fucking terrible.
HayprO finished #2 at the last IOL tourney and was rewarded a cash prize + 10 hours of game time at IOL, when he tried to use that to get a comp and practice on, they said "We've got nothing confirming this sorry, you have to pay".
There was probably more but cant think of any at the moment, It'd be really nice if the staff actually showed some sort of sign of customer service next time. Inviting players over then forcing them to pay additional costs just to get a few practice games in here and there seems retarded to me. Hm I didn't have to pay :D Did I accidentally cheat by just sitting down at working computers in the sc2 area? :D Cause I thought we had that entire area (scene+stuff behind it) to use haha
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lol sniped, that is fucked up anyways i would do it on purpose jinro. i would be super angry too especially if i just lost a game or didnt have the chance to warmup which is a huge issues for me
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