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4M TvZ Part 2: The American Way - Page 2

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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
October 21 2013 19:38 GMT
#21
Thank you very much for this great guide. SC2 can really be beautiful if you let players like Polt spend some time at a computer :o
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
October 21 2013 20:01 GMT
#22
yayyyyyy

amazing write up
<3
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
October 21 2013 20:04 GMT
#23
what a bad guide, still not updated to the new units in StarcraftII... What about MULEs, you forgot them again!! The meta is 5M right now, get your shit together.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
October 21 2013 20:25 GMT
#24
On October 22 2013 05:04 graNite wrote:
what a bad guide, still not updated to the new units in StarcraftII... What about MULEs, you forgot them again!! The meta is 5M right now, get your shit together.

Its actually 7m, you forgot the manner mule dropped after you wipe the map with zerg..which is a totally different unit than the standard mule and well worth two m's.
Liquid Fighting
Darthsanta13
Profile Joined July 2011
United States564 Posts
October 21 2013 20:25 GMT
#25
I'm just a protoss but this is still awesome. I love in depth analysis like this. I'll have to read it when I get home.
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
October 21 2013 21:00 GMT
#26
vaderseven, you have written some truly outstanding guides of late. I look forward to your dissection of modern TvP's Reaper FE into 2 Barracks (please? :D).

Well worth the read and the study.
Sketch123
Profile Joined October 2013
Russian Federation11 Posts
October 21 2013 21:32 GMT
#27
I was searching through VODs looking for inspiration for another article when I saw Polt lose an army in a weird way and then win the game shortly afterward.

Can we have a link please?
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
October 21 2013 21:44 GMT
#28
damn, what a guide. I've only read through the Belshir Vestige game, but it's fascinating. Reading stuff like this shows the depth of SC2 and makes it more exciting!
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
October 21 2013 21:51 GMT
#29
Awesome guide! Thanks for this contribution. You make TL.Net better :D
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fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
October 21 2013 21:54 GMT
#30
On October 22 2013 06:32 Sketch123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
I was searching through VODs looking for inspiration for another article when I saw Polt lose an army in a weird way and then win the game shortly afterward.

Can we have a link please?


It is not exactly the same story, but be amazed by Polt : he loses his whole fucking economy, faces DRG who has a huge bank, and makes a comeback out of thin air :

DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
October 21 2013 22:25 GMT
#31
Worth noting that Polt has exceptional micro as well. While he doesn't always micro, when he does, it's stupid good. Big part of the reason why he wins.
Suichoy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada397 Posts
October 21 2013 22:26 GMT
#32
AWESOME guide, thank you. I've been very curious about Polt's TvZ play after watching his interview with Thorin.
Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
October 21 2013 22:46 GMT
#33
This is sick analysis.
But I bet polt won't like it.
Lucky that's these kind of game sensing is hard if not impossible to learn
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
October 21 2013 22:50 GMT
#34
Map control, decision making and positioning are traits that have defined many of the best SC2 players. Polt is very similar to Taeja in his general style I think (although not necessarily in TvZ).
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
October 21 2013 23:48 GMT
#35
Woah what a massive write up good job!
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14456 Posts
October 21 2013 23:56 GMT
#36
Nice guide ! Let's go for another translation.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
October 22 2013 00:57 GMT
#37
On October 22 2013 06:32 Sketch123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
I was searching through VODs looking for inspiration for another article when I saw Polt lose an army in a weird way and then win the game shortly afterward.

Can we have a link please?


I believe I was referring to the game vs jeadong on neo planet when I wrote that.
Crugio
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia45 Posts
October 22 2013 01:27 GMT
#38
Are there any weaknesses in this style that Zerg can exploit?
I'm in a world of hurt!
KeyHunt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States218 Posts
October 22 2013 01:45 GMT
#39
Great article. But, you really should try to source Nicolas Chaussois for the banner; considering he is the one that made the drawing in the banner.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
October 22 2013 02:31 GMT
#40
On October 22 2013 10:45 KeyHunt wrote:
Great article. But, you really should try to source Nicolas Chaussois for the banner; considering he is the one that made the drawing in the banner.


Look at the top and bottom of the article. We would never have posted it without permission or credit.
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