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kingwillah
Profile Joined February 2008
United States16 Posts
August 12 2010 01:55 GMT
#1
Remember this topic?

Sen hasn't streamed in a while but he's back more stunning and innovative play. Watch his ZvP match @ around 21 min. His moxie with zerg just makes me squeal like a fangirl

He won basically 2 base zerg v 2 base protoss, pretty much unheard of, using only hydra/roach/ling against collosi/stalker/zealot.

Once the P army got too large to handle head on, he abuses nydus by attacking key structures and retreating back into the nydus when the P returns to base.
epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 02:12:52
August 12 2010 02:07 GMT
#2
Sen is good. The top zergs doing well doesn't mean zerg is balanced. They're just that good.

If you compare FP VoDs you can probably see a huge difference in skill.

Thanks for the Sen VoD though. Nice to see them from good zergs.
XSmokeX
Profile Joined July 2010
United States16 Posts
August 12 2010 02:25 GMT
#3
Cool game but as the above poster said, Sen doing well as Zerg doesn't mean a whole lot. He isn't restricted by his micro and macro like the 99% of Zerg community is.

Also, the game seemed real close as some points, with Sen even pulling his drones off his expo to help defend against that final push.

Considering how Sen is arguably one of the best Zerg players and it was that close against a random protoss from a ladder match, I would say if anything that furthers the idea that Zerg are needing some sort of buff or somebody needs to hurry up and think of some genius strategy lol.
Eschaton
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 02:32:11
August 12 2010 02:26 GMT
#4
Wow, just wow. Sen just stopped a 4Gate on Desert Oasis after getting double pylon + cannon blocked at his ramp by powering drones until he was able to bust the pylons with banes and get his expo up and start pumping roaches.

Also, the Chinese Zerg voice is perfect.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
August 12 2010 03:07 GMT
#5
Sen's a fucking baller <3

IDK why the Protoss persisted with Colossi when seeing mass Roaches though instead of Immortals.
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mesohawny
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada193 Posts
August 12 2010 03:32 GMT
#6
makes you wonder about 2 base 3 hatch.

sen is godly.
love you long time
BigFatRoAcH
Profile Joined July 2010
Japan90 Posts
August 12 2010 03:49 GMT
#7
WOW
Sen's click speed is like god... 10 times as fast as mine and he doesn't even make a mistake.
And I can't even make a expansion while harrassing.
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
August 12 2010 04:13 GMT
#8
watch the game at like 38 minutes

sen does

a

fucking

drone bust
Keap
Profile Joined July 2010
United States214 Posts
August 12 2010 04:14 GMT
#9
Sen > Idra for best foreigner zerg right now. I'd say best zerg period but who knows what goes on in the korean side of things
charlie420247
Profile Joined November 2009
United States692 Posts
August 12 2010 04:30 GMT
#10
ya sen is pretty baller i dont know about better than idra since there both extremely high level players and have way different styles.

Cool game but as the above poster said, Sen doing well as Zerg doesn't mean a whole lot. He isn't restricted by his micro and macro like the 99% of Zerg community is.

Also, the game seemed real close as some points, with Sen even pulling his drones off his expo to help defend against that final push.

Considering how Sen is arguably one of the best Zerg players and it was that close against a random protoss from a ladder match, I would say if anything that furthers the idea that Zerg are needing some sort of buff or somebody needs to hurry up and think of some genius strategy lol.


what your saying then is that zerg is broken because 99% of the zerg community is restricted by there micro/macro!!! lmao!
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Sephyre
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia111 Posts
August 12 2010 05:00 GMT
#11
Why did this go from a discussion of Sen's tactics in ZvP to zerg-is-broken in less than 1 post? :p
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comis
Profile Joined April 2010
United States333 Posts
August 12 2010 05:04 GMT
#12
Drone rushing from now on.
AncienTs
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan227 Posts
August 12 2010 05:12 GMT
#13
his micro is pretty impeccable <3
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tangwhat
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand446 Posts
August 12 2010 05:33 GMT
#14
Ahahahahahh his series with Lengnan will never be topped.
Bigpon86
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States238 Posts
August 12 2010 05:42 GMT
#15
On August 12 2010 13:13 shawster wrote:
watch the game at like 38 minutes

sen does

a

fucking

drone bust

That guy is so retarded.... doing a nexus forst early expand on close positions LT? Lol seriously...
This is my quote.
Hann1bal
Profile Joined June 2010
United States46 Posts
August 12 2010 05:46 GMT
#16
Is this in a youtube channel somewhere I can watch?
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onionchowder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States137 Posts
August 12 2010 05:59 GMT
#17
IE? Really? Ewwwwww
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Ikkuh
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands170 Posts
August 12 2010 06:22 GMT
#18
sen is awesome
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
August 12 2010 06:27 GMT
#19
that nydus play was sick
JustQuitWarcraftIII
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States679 Posts
August 12 2010 06:34 GMT
#20
Logged in after 2 months just to say that Sen's play is insane.
Tethyrian
Profile Joined August 2010
33 Posts
August 12 2010 06:36 GMT
#21
Yeah, the combination of IE and the barf-Blue windows xp colors made me almost stop watching.

Epic bl bust though on those cannons lol
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
August 12 2010 06:40 GMT
#22
Woo what? I'm watching it asap!
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Gevin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States21 Posts
August 12 2010 06:57 GMT
#23
Chinese zerg voice is hilarous man.
DuneBug
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
August 12 2010 07:12 GMT
#24
wow.... his micro is nuts, but beyond that...

just saw a toss scout him going 15pool or something on LT. The toss nexus'd before forge. Sen rushed him with like 12 drones and 4 zerglings.
Sen won.

TIME TO SAY GOODNIGHT BRO!
ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
August 12 2010 08:30 GMT
#25
On August 12 2010 14:00 Sephyre wrote:
Why did this go from a discussion of Sen's tactics in ZvP to zerg-is-broken in less than 1 post? :p


lol seriously.

Sen is amazing. Hands down my favourite player in the beta. I'd love to see more streaming and replays
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Maggeus
Profile Joined April 2010
France277 Posts
August 12 2010 08:33 GMT
#26
Nerf Sen.

Err, I meant Terr... Zerg, of course ! No worries. Common mistake by me.

I'd just like to add that Sen play is... Well, insane ? (Like the computer APM. Harr Harr Harrrr. ...)
rockon1215
Profile Joined May 2009
United States612 Posts
August 12 2010 08:56 GMT
#27
everybody loves Sen. He is such a baller. I'm always disappointed when he is not a part of SC2 tournaments, which is like all of them
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Sen
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Taiwan108 Posts
August 12 2010 10:25 GMT
#28
Hey hi anyone here hope you guys enjoyed my games
Sen
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Taiwan108 Posts
August 12 2010 10:27 GMT
#29
i will stream more oftenly soon i am getting a new gosu computer soon :D
Sen
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Taiwan108 Posts
August 12 2010 10:30 GMT
#30
On August 12 2010 15:57 apekzhrk wrote:
Chinese zerg voice is hilarous man.

hahaha~ i think so too i like enlgish voice so much than chinese voice !
Sen
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Taiwan108 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 10:41:13
August 12 2010 10:34 GMT
#31
On August 12 2010 12:49 BigFatRoAcH wrote:
WOW
Sen's click speed is like god... 10 times as fast as mine and he doesn't even make a mistake.
And I can't even make a expansion while harrassing.

hehe ~ every highlevel players can do this with eazy! that mean you need more train man

baeracaed
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States604 Posts
August 12 2010 10:36 GMT
#32
Please stream more Sen, I'm a big fan. Us low level Zergs feel screwed right now.
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Stimpk
Profile Joined July 2010
France165 Posts
August 12 2010 10:48 GMT
#33
Sen is gonna play in the HDH2 !
He's my favourite player. I expect a lot from him during that tournament.

GOGO sen
Gnial
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada907 Posts
August 12 2010 11:11 GMT
#34
Wow that was a lot of ZvP...really makes me want to switch from P to Z after seeing all of that magic.
1, eh? 2, eh? 3, eh?
Scruff
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore509 Posts
August 12 2010 11:43 GMT
#35
Sen is such a baller. I wish he streams more. I learned lots from his stream. You are our idol! Sen fighting!

Plsss streaamm moreee
I astonish myself everyday
NETRAT
Profile Joined July 2010
Belarus180 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 12:29:21
August 12 2010 12:24 GMT
#36
wow, Sen, tnx for sharing, had a lot of fun watching, amazing micro with drones and zerlings splits
proxy hatcheries was something i've only heard of but never seen, i wonder if it's valuable or not, but it seems to screw people much because it's scary
Zevah
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Argentina187 Posts
August 12 2010 13:17 GMT
#37
Sen is the most inspiring Zerg player i've seen...

Cheers for Zen and his gameplay!!
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
August 12 2010 13:32 GMT
#38
On August 12 2010 19:48 Stimpk wrote:
Sen is gonna play in the HDH2 !
He's my favourite player. I expect a lot from him during that tournament.

GOGO sen


I've heard his ZvZ isnt that good, so he might get unlucky. Hopefully he will not get busted out cause of some unlucky zvz fight. But who knows, he might have stepped his ZvZ up quite a bit.
WCH
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada239 Posts
August 12 2010 14:18 GMT
#39
On August 12 2010 16:12 DuneBug wrote:
wow.... his micro is nuts, but beyond that...

just saw a toss scout him going 15pool or something on LT. The toss nexus'd before forge. Sen rushed him with like 12 drones and 4 zerglings.
Sen won.



It was a normal pool at 14, the protoss was just greedy
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
August 12 2010 14:20 GMT
#40
I just watched that 80 min VOD and just WOW. My favorite part was when he puts the hatchery in the FE toss natural :D
Take that stupid toss and your pylon gimmicks on our FE naturals !! :D
mcJ
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark322 Posts
August 12 2010 14:35 GMT
#41
On August 12 2010 19:25 Sen wrote:
Hey hi anyone here hope you guys enjoyed my games


Sick games bro, hope we will see a rep pack from your side soon ^________^
f0rk
Profile Joined March 2010
England172 Posts
August 12 2010 14:40 GMT
#42
On August 12 2010 19:27 Sen wrote:
i will stream more oftenly soon i am getting a new gosu computer soon :D


A replay pack would be amazing!
WCH
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada239 Posts
August 12 2010 14:51 GMT
#43
On August 12 2010 19:25 Sen wrote:
Hey hi anyone here hope you guys enjoyed my games


Great games, nice used of the nydus to break the contain. BTW how did u break that collsi army at ur base on LT O_O.....
rbkl
Profile Joined March 2010
772 Posts
August 12 2010 14:54 GMT
#44
On August 12 2010 13:14 Keap wrote:
Sen > Idra for best foreigner zerg right now. I'd say best zerg period but who knows what goes on in the korean side of things


IdrA is foreign? Since when!?!
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RawrAnOcean
Profile Joined February 2006
United States359 Posts
August 12 2010 15:11 GMT
#45
Seems like the same style to beat T. Sen is just above all players, imagine if he played a better race.
Icx
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Belgium853 Posts
August 12 2010 15:15 GMT
#46
On August 12 2010 23:54 rbkl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 13:14 Keap wrote:
Sen > Idra for best foreigner zerg right now. I'd say best zerg period but who knows what goes on in the korean side of things


IdrA is foreign? Since when!?!


Foreigner = everyone that is not korean. And Idra his birthplace america, so a lot of people see him as a foreigner.
Brazen[six]
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada203 Posts
August 12 2010 15:18 GMT
#47
I'll have to check this out when I get home. I love Sen play.
JJ!
Profile Joined July 2010
33 Posts
August 12 2010 15:22 GMT
#48
are you planning on going to korea for the big GOM tournament, Sen?
Burn2Memory
Profile Joined August 2010
United States574 Posts
August 12 2010 15:26 GMT
#49
glad sens back streaming again, such a good zerg player and I love watching him play
JQL
Profile Joined July 2010
United States214 Posts
August 12 2010 15:39 GMT
#50
I really enjoy your games sen, stream more please. I love how sen never rushes to tech up, unless its really necessary. Most people are bitching about the larva injection and creep tumor micro yet Sen takes it to the next level with constant overlord micro.
no way
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
August 12 2010 15:45 GMT
#51
Sen, why are you so goddamn good?
AnodyneSea
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Jamaica757 Posts
August 12 2010 16:01 GMT
#52
my hero! <3
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Skarra
Profile Joined August 2010
39 Posts
August 12 2010 16:02 GMT
#53
Nydus was f*cking insane, not to mention his macro.. he was attacking gold expo, defending main, and nydus at the same time. AHHH!
ImperialFenix
Profile Joined June 2010
30 Posts
August 12 2010 16:13 GMT
#54
Go Sen, jia you. Love watching you play.
shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
August 12 2010 17:32 GMT
#55
Hi, Sen.
Please stream more when you get your new computer. And upload more replays
Your such a great great player.
Voltaire: The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.
Ikkuh
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands170 Posts
August 12 2010 18:06 GMT
#56
WO AI NI
ConsummateK
Profile Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
August 12 2010 18:14 GMT
#57
Hmm mental note - will need to check this out later.
Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
August 12 2010 18:44 GMT
#58
is there any way i could get the chinese sounds in my english client?
dont ever say that
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23442 Posts
August 12 2010 18:47 GMT
#59
Quadruple post:
Because when you're Sen, only 1 post is a disappointment.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
August 12 2010 18:50 GMT
#60
Last time I checked Taiwanese people still settle for bbs kind of stuff for forum, not really like western ones, multiposting is pretty common.

Anyway, Taiwanese representing, just go to Taipei (what was that place again, 光華?) and put together a gosu comp already Sen. Where do you live in Taiwan anyway?
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 19:20:55
August 12 2010 19:10 GMT
#61
anyone see the part at 27minute?? two blue balls and a queen

ok serious note, that nydus game was sick..
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 19:23:48
August 12 2010 19:20 GMT
#62
On August 12 2010 19:25 Sen wrote:
Hey hi anyone here hope you guys enjoyed my games


Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
August 12 2010 19:21 GMT
#63
Google still yields calculator for computer? You'd think they would've fixed that already.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 12 2010 19:29 GMT
#64
Sen is awesome Just need to work on that ZvZ but I understand most top Zergs (including IdrA) hate it atm.
Stoli
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada173 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 19:36:21
August 12 2010 19:36 GMT
#65
On August 12 2010 19:25 Sen wrote:
Hey hi anyone here hope you guys enjoyed my games

shit im a huge fan, thanks for the ZvT lessons
Twisting joints like a contortionist
LeCastor
Profile Joined July 2010
France234 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 21:18:31
August 12 2010 21:17 GMT
#66
Love that play !

Proxy hatch and drone rush against pre-walling protoss are very interresting games.
YunhOLee
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Canada2470 Posts
August 13 2010 00:32 GMT
#67
god damn that sen a serious top baller, manner hatchery at the natural of the guy in the last game LOL
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kingwillah
Profile Joined February 2008
United States16 Posts
August 13 2010 02:45 GMT
#68
fuck yeah, my thread has succeeded, rather than a ZvP discussion it's a "sen plz hv mai babies" thread.

that said:
SEN HAVE MY FUCKING BABIES.
RicoFeng
Profile Joined August 2010
China5 Posts
August 13 2010 03:21 GMT
#69
Nice player...lol
Hello
l2p
Profile Joined August 2010
Niger5 Posts
August 13 2010 18:21 GMT
#70
http://pt.justin.tv/b/synctrim/b/268195361

On 43:20 to 50 can anyone care to explain me how he microed those drones ?

Im asking cause i dont see him cliking it directly neither going in the tab area. selecting them please explain me.

eeeeeee
LeCastor
Profile Joined July 2010
France234 Posts
August 19 2010 16:13 GMT
#71
Where can i find sen replays ?

I only find a pack for the beta.

An hell yeah on the asian server every protoss is going 2 gw.
LeCastor
Profile Joined July 2010
France234 Posts
September 13 2010 07:25 GMT
#72
From the recent streams, i see him do an early evo chamber, to counter the protoss +1 weapon upgrade.

Is it worth to delay that much the lair ?
Zerokaiser
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada885 Posts
September 13 2010 07:45 GMT
#73
Don't bump a month old thread to ask that...

Anyways, yes. It is.
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taketobreak
Profile Joined August 2010
73 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 07:50:26
September 13 2010 07:49 GMT
#74
sen is sick ...

i mean really good kinda sick
LeCastor
Profile Joined July 2010
France234 Posts
September 13 2010 15:13 GMT
#75
On September 13 2010 16:45 Zerokaiser wrote:
Don't bump a month old thread to ask that...

Anyways, yes. It is.


So what should i do ? Open a new thread !

comis
Profile Joined April 2010
United States333 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 15:23:33
September 13 2010 15:23 GMT
#76
On September 14 2010 00:13 LeCastor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2010 16:45 Zerokaiser wrote:
Don't bump a month old thread to ask that...

Anyways, yes. It is.


So what should i do ? Open a new thread !



Yea you're supposed to open a new thread so Zerokaiser can quote you and link to a search result to this thread saying you should have asked it here - then he'll call you a noob.
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