Great game, turned ZvT into almost a TvT with the "fight for every inch" warfare. Not researching drop to bother his expans probably hurt the most as he got two free expans with almost no defense for a large part of the game. Admittedly, there were few times 200/200 could be spared. Speaking of which, seemed like great resource management from Midian from an amateur's POV.

This game also reminds me of why I always reinforce expans with a sunk and lurk whenever possible. Dropships are a biatch!

ffswowsucks

Greece2298 Posts

December 08 2005 05:39 GMT

really nice play by both sides but i cant undertand something. Is Midian against defilers and dark swarm ?!...

jtan

Sweden5891 Posts

December 08 2005 06:02 GMT

gg!

Nice vesselpicking all the time midian^^ must have been damn annoying:D

HeavenS

Colombia2259 Posts

December 08 2005 06:47 GMT

**fap fap fap**

awesome game. really nice play on both sides. Yes some mistakes were made, but thats like every other game.

greatmeh

Canada1964 Posts

December 08 2005 06:53 GMT

whats sadist's aka?

FalliNinLove

Slovakia865 Posts

December 08 2005 07:50 GMT

well sadist is just Sadist and always been sadist

American Terran player if i am right
this game was sooooooooooooooooooo long... and soooo boring i felt a sleep in half

but thx anyway

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

December 08 2005 08:03 GMT

40 min lair vs no upgrade terran!

J/k actually its a very gg and jamie did some nice jju tactics with lurker stall :D Anytime a z does well on requiem its worth a watch imo.

wasted

Germany1789 Posts

December 08 2005 09:48 GMT

#10

long and epic game, but i must say i didn't really like it. Z trying to bruteforce the win with pure hyd/lurk, but only 1/1 in upgrades until almost 40:00. rines were only 1/1 too, what a nice slaughtering we could have seen

also dark swarm or attack on the expo with drop or guards would have been pretty devastating imho

SoMuchBetter

Australia10606 Posts

December 08 2005 10:16 GMT

#11

really nice game

Purind

Canada3562 Posts

December 08 2005 10:47 GMT

#12

Talk about patience!

Twisted

Netherlands13554 Posts

December 08 2005 14:49 GMT

#13

you people talking about swarm this guardians that have no understanding of brood war whatsoever

NovaTheFeared

United States7232 Posts

December 08 2005 15:51 GMT

#14

Yes, you can tell Midian's econ is severely stressed for almost all the endgame and that doesn't leave much room for teching. In the last 15+ minutes if he had gone hive the game could have ended on the spot with T winner.

EDIT: Clarity.

BaBBlE-BEEble

35 Posts

December 08 2005 15:57 GMT

#15

On December 08 2005 23:49 Twisted wrote:
you people talking about swarm this guardians that have no understanding of brood war whatsoever

But that's how they do it in pro replays.

ffswowsucks

Greece2298 Posts

December 08 2005 20:34 GMT

#16

Twisted because MidiaN is good doesnt mean he cant play better or that whatever he is doing cant be commented by other people.I asked because I was curious. SO yea explain to me why swarm is soooooo useless in your pov. Swarm is a must nowadays and if he indeed had swarm the game would have had a totally drifferent play.

nortydog

Australia3067 Posts

December 08 2005 20:35 GMT

#17

I got a question, why was midian constantly running away from battles he couldve easily won(I think?), like at some point in the middle of the game sadist had a miniscule force compared to midian (12 lurks, 2-3 groups of hydra) but slowly pushed across the map (building up his force) picking off so many of midians units along the way.

nortydog

Australia3067 Posts

December 08 2005 20:36 GMT

#18

Anyway, very nice game :D

ToT)MidiaN(

England2183 Posts

December 08 2005 21:17 GMT

#19

I overrated his army once or twice I guess, I thought I had too little because I was trying to re establish my economy, thus I figured I was low on units in comparison to him. Therefore I was intent on buying time rather than engaging, and most of the time I did have the smaller army but there were cases when I could've won, yes. And as for the swarm issue, it wasn't possible to tech because doing so costs resources and time, you can't just instantly acquire swarm free of charge, I would've had to sacrifice a lot of units to get swarm, and in doing so I would've got run over. Bigger mistakes came early in the game, not anticipating the cloaked wraiths, because I figured my tech was very fast in relation to his, thus I thought he'd abandon the wraiths and go 3 rax when he saw my spire so fast, hence I made lurker tech pretty soon and abandoned muta/scourge rather early myself, and skipped overlord speed. Basically I was operating on assumptions the whole game, many of which were logical, but ultimately incorrect.

Twisted

Netherlands13554 Posts

December 09 2005 01:22 GMT

#20

On December 09 2005 05:34 ffswowsucks wrote:
Twisted because MidiaN is good doesnt mean he cant play better or that whatever he is doing cant be commented by other people.I asked because I was curious. SO yea explain to me why swarm is soooooo useless in your pov. Swarm is a must nowadays and if he indeed had swarm the game would have had a totally drifferent play.

I was gonna say about the same as midian just did, so read his explanation why he didn't get swarm.

To put it simple if you're lazy: he didn't have the resources or time to tech to swarm, his mistake was to not anticipate correctly to sadists wraiths. That caused him to get way behind. He also got hydra range and speed, so he needs to spend all money in hydra/lurk. If he had gotten lurk/ling (which is more costeffective but more risky), he could've gotten swarm.

edit: to respond to your question about wether it's fine to ask questions: yes it is. But what you posted wasn't a question, it was a way of saying: if midian teched to defiler+swarm he would've won for sure, which he wouldn't. If he had teched to defiler+swarm, he would've lost, because there would be no way to keep his expands, and he would just get overrun.