• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:01
CEST 17:01
KST 00:01
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun11[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Data needed Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) ASL21 General Discussion [TOOL] Starcraft Chat Translator JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2437 users

g5vsmachinewow

Forum Index > Replays
Post a Reply
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 01 2009 22:05 GMT
#1
^_^
StalinRusH
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States734 Posts
September 02 2009 00:45 GMT
#2
nice game...i thought machine actually had it...damn G5 and him using the banking system!
A Combination Of Tuberculosis And A Tomahawk To The Head:: Nothing Bonds Drunken Idiots Like Sexual Innuendos ::
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-02 02:25:51
September 02 2009 02:23 GMT
#3
Ugh, I hate it when people say "this game is over" every time one player gains a moderate advantage. :/

Nice game, good arb usage.

Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
September 02 2009 03:32 GMT
#4
I think it's interesting that Machine hotkeys his hatches from 1-5 and his units from 6-0. That's unlike anybody else's hotkeys and it seems interesting.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
September 02 2009 04:08 GMT
#5
On September 02 2009 12:32 Athos wrote:
I think it's interesting that Machine hotkeys his hatches from 1-5 and his units from 6-0. That's unlike anybody else's hotkeys and it seems interesting.

Actually, I've heard of quite a few players (koreans, mostly) that use this setup. Maybe they find 5a6a7a faster and easier than 1a2a3a? I wouldn't like it, as I don't like to use my pinkie much for anything but Ctrl and it's easier for me to quickly snap to 1 than to 5. But I can see the justification.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 02 2009 04:16 GMT
#6
its what polish people and blackman did
iD.NicKy
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
France767 Posts
September 02 2009 07:29 GMT
#7
epic epic game indeed
poor 'insert the looser here'
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 02 2009 09:48 GMT
#8
I recently wondered if it isn't more effective to use 1-5 or so for hatches and 6-0 for units, along with using patrol instead of attack move since they work the same if you are actually encountering an army. That would also allow you to use something like 0 for mutas (close to hold and patrol obviously) without having your unit hotkeys separated or mixing up unit and building hotkeys. There is the problem with units not staying where you want them to stay, though, so you have to be more careful with when to use patrol and when to simply move your units.
Well, just an idea, I didn't try it yet.

I really like the hallucinated archons. I wonder if he did it only for the meatshields or if it actually made it harder for the zerg to get up a proper surround, which would reduce the damage even more. But imo he overdid it a bit, sometimes he should have saved a few more storms. But I definately think it is a good thing to do if you have too many templars to effectively use all those storms. You can also cast hallucination, morph the temps without enegry into archons and then attack, as the hallucinations will last long enough. Just like in million man march.
Zergs would really have a good use for ensnare in this case (easier to place well than plague and also kills all hallucinations).
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
September 02 2009 09:48 GMT
#9
On September 02 2009 13:08 3clipse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2009 12:32 Athos wrote:
I think it's interesting that Machine hotkeys his hatches from 1-5 and his units from 6-0. That's unlike anybody else's hotkeys and it seems interesting.

Actually, I've heard of quite a few players (koreans, mostly) that use this setup. Maybe they find 5a6a7a faster and easier than 1a2a3a? I wouldn't like it, as I don't like to use my pinkie much for anything but Ctrl and it's easier for me to quickly snap to 1 than to 5. But I can see the justification.

When you hotkey army to late digits, you attack with them using Patrol, not Attack command. Early digits are closer to S, so that's why people use it for hatches. I thought that this is the standard setup for zerg
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 02 2009 09:49 GMT
#10
On September 02 2009 18:48 ZBiR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2009 13:08 3clipse wrote:
On September 02 2009 12:32 Athos wrote:
I think it's interesting that Machine hotkeys his hatches from 1-5 and his units from 6-0. That's unlike anybody else's hotkeys and it seems interesting.

Actually, I've heard of quite a few players (koreans, mostly) that use this setup. Maybe they find 5a6a7a faster and easier than 1a2a3a? I wouldn't like it, as I don't like to use my pinkie much for anything but Ctrl and it's easier for me to quickly snap to 1 than to 5. But I can see the justification.

When you hotkey army to late digits, you attack with them using Patrol, not Attack command. Early digits are closer to S, so that's why people use it for hatches. I thought that this is the standard setup for zerg

Well it was unlikely that I was the first to think of it :p I wonder why I have never heard of that.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
September 02 2009 13:33 GMT
#11
On September 02 2009 12:32 Athos wrote:
I think it's interesting that Machine hotkeys his hatches from 1-5 and his units from 6-0. That's unlike anybody else's hotkeys and it seems interesting.


it's because he uses two hands to macro saw him doing it at a lan. and he uses patrol instead of attack move.
WeSt
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Portugal918 Posts
September 02 2009 16:31 GMT
#12
On September 02 2009 13:08 3clipse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2009 12:32 Athos wrote:
I think it's interesting that Machine hotkeys his hatches from 1-5 and his units from 6-0. That's unlike anybody else's hotkeys and it seems interesting.

Actually, I've heard of quite a few players (koreans, mostly) that use this setup. Maybe they find 5a6a7a faster and easier than 1a2a3a? I wouldn't like it, as I don't like to use my pinkie much for anything but Ctrl and it's easier for me to quickly snap to 1 than to 5. But I can see the justification.


I use that hotkey setup. 1-4 for hatches and 5-9 units and 0 defiler/scourge

It's useful to macro as zerg -> 1sZ2sZ3sZ4sZ... zergs just need to make a lot of lings to win the game.
zvz is imba
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
September 02 2009 16:40 GMT
#13
this is a lot like http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=100206 in that + Show Spoiler +
protoss can win without ever attacking because of zerg's obsession with spending all their money on units that get sacrificed onto turtled up bases
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 02 2009 18:59 GMT
#14
i was all excited about a bunch of comments.. and I found a discussion on hotkeys
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
September 02 2009 19:58 GMT
#15
im new here, so sorry if this is a spoiler :/

can someone explain why G5 used hallusion on the archons? It seems like such a HUGE waste of energy. He could have used 2 storms with the amount of energy he had... just doesnt seem very smart to me. IF the hallucinations did any damage, then off course it would be a viable option but psyonic storm seems like a better option. He could have ended the game if he engaged the army and casted all those storms.
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
September 24 2009 03:35 GMT
#16
Against Ultras in particular hallucinations are great at soaking up hits and physically blocking units from hitting the Archons. Storm tends not to be that good against Ultras anyway and you end up damaging your own units most of the time in that situation... definitely an uncommon strategy, but one worthy of consideration.
AIV_Funnytoss and sGs.Funnytoss on iCCup
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #246
WardiTV630
TKL 285
Liquipedia
INu's Battles
11:00
INu's Battles#15
SHIN vs ByuNLIVE!
IntoTheiNu 1024
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Serral 1485
TKL 243
Hui .191
trigger 71
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 37740
Calm 5428
Sea 2376
Mini 665
Shuttle 480
firebathero 459
EffOrt 418
Hyuk 416
Light 384
BeSt 357
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 228
Leta 184
actioN 151
Hyun 119
Dewaltoss 114
hero 101
Killer 81
ToSsGirL 75
Sharp 70
Hm[arnc] 66
Pusan 66
[sc1f]eonzerg 55
Sea.KH 42
Free 39
yabsab 25
Barracks 20
scan(afreeca) 19
GoRush 17
Rock 17
zelot 16
910 15
Shine 13
IntoTheRainbow 12
Terrorterran 10
SilentControl 10
Sacsri 9
JulyZerg 6
Dota 2
Gorgc4872
qojqva1709
monkeys_forever281
syndereN211
Other Games
singsing2316
B2W.Neo1082
hiko834
DeMusliM404
crisheroes294
ArmadaUGS66
Rex38
QueenE37
Trikslyr12
Grubby0
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream73
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco3797
• Michael_bg 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4295
• TFBlade1522
Other Games
• WagamamaTV235
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
1h
Replay Cast
9h
Replay Cast
18h
RSL Revival
19h
Classic vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs Maru
WardiTV Invitational
20h
IPSL
1d 1h
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 9h
RSL Revival
1d 19h
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 23h
[ Show More ]
BSL
2 days
IPSL
2 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
GSL
4 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
5 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
6 days
Escore
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-30
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.