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NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
August 15 2012 02:39 GMT
#1
obvi group 4 XD
CarlMikael
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1043 Posts
August 15 2012 03:00 GMT
#2
4 - 1 - 2 - 3 in that order
waterglen
Profile Joined October 2009
United States103 Posts
August 15 2012 03:13 GMT
#3
I started by looking at group 1 and by the time I got to group 4 i was O_O
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
August 15 2012 03:21 GMT
#4
Group 4. The other groups have some real monsters but the rest are pushovers.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
August 15 2012 03:39 GMT
#5
Yeah, I picked group 4 because it's all around pretty danm solid which makes group play actually pretty brutal.
Adapt and React I MKP, PartinG, EffOrt ♥
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
August 15 2012 03:54 GMT
#6
all the groups are relatively hard to be honest
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 15 2012 04:44 GMT
#7
Group 4 is the hardest, although all groups look relatively good.
Moderatorlickypiddy
Protocon
Profile Joined February 2010
United States255 Posts
August 15 2012 05:14 GMT
#8
i say 4231
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somguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Mexico6 Posts
August 15 2012 05:22 GMT
#9
Honestly, can someone explain to me why group 4 is tough? All the groups look evenish to me. They all have Koreans who at some point where dominant, but none of them are on a particular tear recently. The foreigners are for the most part people that at the high end of their play skill could compete with Koreans. A couple names I don't personally know much about (DBS, XlorD, Tarson) but all in all no group looks particularly stacked to me, what am I missing?
Balance is in motion.
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
August 15 2012 06:19 GMT
#10
White-ra will make us proud by just playing ;D!
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
August 15 2012 07:26 GMT
#11
On August 15 2012 14:22 somguy wrote:
Honestly, can someone explain to me why group 4 is tough? All the groups look evenish to me. They all have Koreans who at some point where dominant, but none of them are on a particular tear recently. The foreigners are for the most part people that at the high end of their play skill could compete with Koreans. A couple names I don't personally know much about (DBS, XlorD, Tarson) but all in all no group looks particularly stacked to me, what am I missing?

People often consider the 'group of death' as the one with 2 or 3 big names in it, but often the rest are scrubs. I feel Group 4 is a legit group of death, the weakest players are probably Cloud and White-Ra and I can still see them winning games against the rest of the players in it.
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Sqorpion
Profile Joined October 2011
Denmark384 Posts
August 15 2012 07:29 GMT
#12
On August 15 2012 14:22 somguy wrote:
Honestly, can someone explain to me why group 4 is tough? All the groups look evenish to me. They all have Koreans who at some point where dominant, but none of them are on a particular tear recently. The foreigners are for the most part people that at the high end of their play skill could compete with Koreans. A couple names I don't personally know much about (DBS, XlorD, Tarson) but all in all no group looks particularly stacked to me, what am I missing?


If you were thrown into one of these groups, which one would be the hardest for you?
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
Xhiwi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
49 Posts
August 15 2012 09:50 GMT
#13
Definitely but I really hope ClouD is going to win this.
-insert kitschy quote here-
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
August 15 2012 09:52 GMT
#14
Group 4 is not the hardest, people always give White-Ra waaaaay too much credit. Not that he's a bad player but he hasnt been a threat to win anything in quit a while.
conz
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom163 Posts
August 15 2012 10:11 GMT
#15
Is XlorD better than Stephano yet? :D
TheRealDude: you were lucky you scouted
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 19:36:07
August 15 2012 19:35 GMT
#16
I really thought that group 3 looked quite hard, guess... RESULTS DISAGREE! Seriously though, I think that group 3 will be quite difficult.
User was warned for too many mimes.
RonsterMonster
Profile Joined August 2012
United States1 Post
August 15 2012 20:12 GMT
#17
I agree with docvoc, group 3 looks the hardest to me. Although group 4 is very tough as well!
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
August 15 2012 20:24 GMT
#18
On August 15 2012 12:54 kochanfe wrote:
all the groups are relatively hard to be honest

relative to what?
sceroh
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium182 Posts
August 15 2012 21:38 GMT
#19
i'd say 3412, but that's just my opinion
diokko
Profile Joined December 2010
26 Posts
August 15 2012 22:44 GMT
#20
Why is Naniwa even in group play.. he's a joke -- flaming other players accusing them of making him lose, give me a break. Otherwise, group 4 seems to be the hardest imo.
Warheart
Profile Joined June 2012
Italy25 Posts
August 15 2012 22:54 GMT
#21
group 4 seems the most balanced to me,only cloud is below the other players' level; the other groups are decent but one can kinda foresee who is going to dominate them.
war is in my heart,death is by my side!
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
August 15 2012 23:29 GMT
#22
undoubtedly grp4
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
August 16 2012 06:27 GMT
#23
Honestly, I wouldn't say that any of these groups are stacked. Looks fairly even and I think that any serious contender can make a run with enough luck.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 07:15:21
August 16 2012 07:14 GMT
#24
no clue why i really feel this way, but whenever i see (T)Bomber in a bracket, it's automatically the hardest one to me :D
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Danger Boy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States47 Posts
August 16 2012 11:40 GMT
#25
The clip of the Boss Toss MC with the trophy is amazing.. He wants that again!
Fun only makes dieing worse...
dBdHellRider
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Sweden63 Posts
August 16 2012 13:46 GMT
#26
4...4 and 4
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Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
August 17 2012 16:14 GMT
#27
groups 2 and 4
FalsePretense9
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada4 Posts
August 17 2012 19:06 GMT
#28
i said 3 because in comparison to the other groups, there is more talent straight up. i mean other groups have better players for sure, as you can see in group 4, but the overall bar of skill level in group 3 is higher than the other groups
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Ps2 Xtreme
Profile Joined September 2011
United States12 Posts
August 18 2012 22:57 GMT
#29
Idk why group 1 isn't 2nd in that list, in group 2 mvp is just going to clean house, it isn't hard.
Protoss- Thank God, your main army is dead. MKP- Orly
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
August 19 2012 17:48 GMT
#30
When is this competition beeing held. I can't find any links to it.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
August 21 2012 13:40 GMT
#31
I think group 4 by far...
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10253 Posts
August 21 2012 15:59 GMT
#32
all i saw was white-ra and i voted lol.
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zedrOne
Profile Joined May 2010
France471 Posts
August 22 2012 08:04 GMT
#33
4 by far.
even if the gr 1 is the easyest, i dont think naniwa cant get out of it.
LockeTazeline October 31 2012 06:02. Posts 166 : A Bo9 is really just a Bo1 played 9 times.
danceking
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden20 Posts
August 22 2012 15:26 GMT
#34
On August 15 2012 18:52 CaptainCrush wrote:
Group 4 is not the hardest, people always give White-Ra waaaaay too much credit. Not that he's a bad player but he hasnt been a threat to win anything in quit a while.


I don't think people are looking at white-ra when they say it's really hard group.

I'd say 4 aswell, but all groups look really great.
Don't think, feel
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 17:39:33
August 22 2012 17:39 GMT
#35
On August 16 2012 05:24 MichaelDonovan wrote:
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On August 15 2012 12:54 kochanfe wrote:
all the groups are relatively hard to be honest

relative to what?


I think he means 'moderately'.
Parskatt
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden9 Posts
August 22 2012 20:42 GMT
#36
On August 16 2012 07:44 diokko wrote:
Why is Naniwa even in group play.. he's a joke -- flaming other players accusing them of making him lose, give me a break. Otherwise, group 4 seems to be the hardest imo.

Because he is a good player?
nn42
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden18 Posts
August 23 2012 13:34 GMT
#37
On August 16 2012 07:44 diokko wrote:
Why is Naniwa even in group play.. he's a joke -- flaming other players accusing them of making him lose, give me a break. Otherwise, group 4 seems to be the hardest imo.


Yes, you're right, the seeding into groups are based on twitter quotes and general size of fanbase, previous results are obviously not the sole reason.

gj hating

VoxxGD
Profile Joined July 2012
United States6 Posts
August 24 2012 00:00 GMT
#38
White-ra nuf said
WoodLeagueAllStar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States806 Posts
August 25 2012 09:27 GMT
#39
I know I am a scrub for sure since I picked G1
In 1984, I was hospitalized for approaching perfection. --Random Rules
Savant7
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom9 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 12:36:39
August 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#40
Too many MC fanboys... MVP is back I mean come on... he makes terran imba again :D everyone was saying mech didn't work above low masters before and now they're eating their words
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