EPTPoor antarctica, an unloved secret bw powerhouse T_T
Strongest BW nation outside of Korea
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Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
Poor antarctica, an unloved secret bw powerhouse T_T | ||
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PrinCe (H)
Honduras207 Posts
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niom
Poland46 Posts
On August 15 2004 08:03 Legionnaire wrote: Redid the poll so you scandanavian loving freaks can stop crying. Poor antarctica, an unloved secret bw powerhouse T_T rotfl | ||
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pdk001
Korea (South)922 Posts
korean ppl remember about Xm_super | ||
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Pol
Poland1187 Posts
 Poland | ||
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NerO
United States2071 Posts
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Ebenol
Sweden1983 Posts
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pheered.user
United States2603 Posts
I voted for usa but i think canada or germany wins this | ||
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RookieRookie
China99 Posts
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PlayCraft
84 Posts
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Pomozite
Croatia647 Posts
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NaLeSnick
Poland5 Posts
imo Blackman | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
I voted China. | ||
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Selector
Germany243 Posts
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MaGnIfIcA
Norway2312 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
On August 15 2004 08:03 Legionnaire wrote: Redid the poll so you scandanavian loving freaks can stop crying. Poor antarctica, an unloved secret bw powerhouse T_T rofl <3 leg | ||
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ErOs_LatInnO
China4 Posts
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Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
On August 15 2004 10:22 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: Everyone knows Norway is the best BW nation, add it to the poll asap! Next time you can make the poll, instead of making poor old me do it! Is norway event a nation? i think its just a conspiracy, a myth made to hide the truth! | ||
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SonnyBlack
Germany457 Posts
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Yarertz
Djibouti1891 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
Poland/China Canada/Sweden/usa | ||
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jacob
Poland23 Posts
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ReTrooper
Germany526 Posts
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
Why the hell is poland so goddamn high, i don't get it. | ||
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Ilintar
Poland794 Posts
On August 15 2004 12:08 Frits wrote: Germany, duh. Why the hell is poland so goddamn high, i don't get it. And that's the beauty of it all :> | ||
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Ceril
Sweden1343 Posts
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Berg_zerg
Germany294 Posts
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Babar
Barbados128 Posts
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Babar
Barbados128 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
other countries may have 1 or 2 players who are better than chinese guys, but overall China is strongest. then comes Germany/Poland/Canada in a tie for 2nd | ||
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thu_anh
Netherlands22 Posts
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AgonyRush
United States2540 Posts
On August 15 2004 11:16 BigBalls wrote: Germany Poland/China Canada/Sweden/usa Seriously how the hell can u put usa 5here?=/ | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
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LugoLian
Chile15 Posts
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DarkGhost]Coon[
United States1471 Posts
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Zeller
United States1109 Posts
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NaLeSnick
Poland5 Posts
Raven > Mondragon Something Else ? :> | ||
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scGhost
Poland168 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
Blackman, sys, draco, tomson, raven, and other people im forgetting are REALLY strong. I dont give a crap about the top 50 of a country, only the top 5 matter in terms of labeling whether one is better than another. If we are discussing clans, is cf better than pg because from spots 15-50 cf rapes pg? Only the amount of players that would play in a nation war matter, and it is usually 4 or 5. Top 5 from each of the following nations: germany>poland>canada=china>usa>sweden | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
i didnt list norway because slayer isnt a _top_ player anymore and erling is very good, but i dont think he is amazing. eh, ill list norway too. usa, sweden, finland, netherlands, norway, russia, spain are pretty close nations actually. i listed usa as top 5 cause of rek/assem living in korea, and froz's ability. | ||
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Ezo
Poland42 Posts
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shmay
United States1091 Posts
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Pomozite
Croatia647 Posts
On August 15 2004 09:53 NaLeSnick wrote: Pj ? lol ? imo Blackman Blackman best non korean??? I really don't know what makes you think so. He won 3rd WCG place 2 years ago. What else has he done? | ||
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SpuniasauR
Australia1500 Posts
:. russia> all except korea. ^^ | ||
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Quiksilver
United States424 Posts
On August 15 2004 17:24 Pomozite wrote: Blackman best non korean??? I really don't know what makes you think so. He won 3rd WCG place 2 years ago. What else has he done? Yeah really what HAS Blackman done since? | ||
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SpuniasauR
Australia1500 Posts
god get some subjectivity. | ||
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iNtOXiCaTeD
19 Posts
On August 15 2004 14:32 NaLeSnick wrote: Blackman > Fisheye:> yeah 2 years ago Raven > Mondragon LOL! lets have a look at it the other way round Fisheye > Raven Mondragon >>>>> Blackman (ZvZ :p) ^.^ | ||
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0x64
Finland4555 Posts
Josez > boxer and Josez is far from best peruvianusian around.. | ||
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worst.player
625 Posts
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KhresT
Brazil187 Posts
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
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SChasu
United States1505 Posts
i voted germany | ||
Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
On August 15 2004 12:04 ReTrooper wrote: Antarctica > Korea! But Antarctica are only good on ice maps. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
 I couldn't decide between Germany and Canada, both have a lot of good players, but I think the top Germans stand out more than the top Canadians, so I picked them. What the hell is up with Poland being so far in the lead though?? I mean really?? | ||
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Million
United States559 Posts
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
On August 15 2004 10:02 MaGnIfIcA wrote: Yea, what really strong players are from Poland ? I would have to go for Germany Yea, what really strong players are from Poland anyway!? I mean, blackman/sys/wiget/mario/tomson/raven/dunaj/macia/InsertGoodPolishPlayerNameHere don't count, so Poland is horrible! | ||
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Zzang
1303 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
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NaLeSnick
Poland5 Posts
ok Joke, We Trust in Raven :p "Blackman > Fisheye:> yeah 2 years ago " Lol lol lol U think that blackman doesn't play bw becouse nobody have him new replays ? U will see!!! | ||
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
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xG-BlizzY
Slovakia97 Posts
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
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WooKasZ
Poland7 Posts
We have also Spawn,Draco & Pako Maybe NuclearAntelope will tell who is good in USA? I know 2 maybe 3 players from USA;/ | ||
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
china and germany are stronger than poland, hell probably canada too | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
On August 15 2004 12:08 Frits wrote: Germany, duh. Why the hell is poland so goddamn high, i don't get it. blackman and sys o_o but i'd still pick mondy & fisheye over them ._. | ||
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hitchhiker
Portugal337 Posts
poland is getting som many votes | ||
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
Germany or China..couldn't decide,so i voted canada ;] | ||
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readY_bg
Bulgaria168 Posts
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CrazyGamei
France11 Posts
Buehehehe is this a joke ? I mean yes Poland on 1st i can understand, they have a lot of really good players out there. But Germany ? Fish as well as Mondy would get easly owned by most of Poland /China players. I remember Fishy having a hard time with Blackmans terran , with he rarelly even looks at. IMHO : Poland / China / 3rd maybe Germany/Russia. | ||
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SiRaY_
Poland2 Posts
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CrazyGamei
France11 Posts
"heheeheheh srry Poland but I think you wont take one game vs Germany. Germany has the strongest players outside korea.Mondragon/Breakdown/Fisheye/. . . . . . . But I think admins had to put BULGARIA team. 10x" Yeah ? I found the results of the two last matches GER VS POL POL 7 : 6 GER POL 5 : 3 GER Still wanna try ? Pathetic :> | ||
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CrazyGamei
France11 Posts
BLackman is a zerg player and Fisheye had a hard time beating his Terran lol:> (witch he almost never uses as fas as im concerned) And yes Blackman > Mondragoon 100 %. Oh and it was Blackman vs Fisheye 2:1 i guess (With Fishy getting 1 point on Blacks Terran hahaha) I mean sorry Germany, nothing personal -_- but im just being neutral and when i see all those &*(^% wrighting " Mondy is the best " , "Germany is the best" i get mad , couse Germany really bites the earth compered to Poland or China. | ||
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SuperRzezniK
Poland36 Posts
About Black... maybe he already playing War3? who knows... I belive in Pol-Team GL boys! | ||
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SiRaY_
Poland2 Posts
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MoooN
Germany402 Posts
he doesnt play any tournaments he rarely plays nationwars he won nothing since wcg ( maybe with smurf) he releases no reps and when u look @ mondragon .... he played nearly every nationwar he played and won many tournaments ( MANY!) all in all mondragon rarely lost any official game and has maybe the most impressive stats in official games i have ever seen | ||
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NaLeSnick
Poland5 Posts
then Fish lost with bm 1:2 | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3423 Posts
Pol won with ger last 2 times, true, but that was long time ago ... And blackman shouldnt be taken into consideration since nobody knows what's going on with him atm. And remember that Poland lost vs very underastimted Russia, so I wouldnt bo so sure about Poland vs Germany | ||
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[CS]Pablo
Brazil338 Posts
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Skrzetuski
Dominica1 Post
BTW: this is polish wgt nation cup stats site - http://www.wgtour.com/resultT.php?datab=broodwar&id=174&type=country . It's no so bad, isn't it? | ||
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maVi
Germany542 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
legs is my hero | ||
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YouLoveMe
46 Posts
anyway russia>poland (some one disagree?), so poland ARE NOT strongest. IMHO 1.ger 2-3.canada=china 4.russia 5.antarctida | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
ps. I hope blackman is gonna get 4pooled, proxy gated and proxy bbs'ed @ wcg.  | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
Anyways, I voted for Poland since last times I lacked some patriotism and have to make it up somehow | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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CrazyGamei
France11 Posts
Germany just cant swallow that they are NOT THE BEST. If anywone is the best it would be Poland, Canada maybe China But NOT Germany. And trying to messure Mondragoons Skills with Blackmans skills (even those form 2 years bacK) is basicly pointless becosue BM is waaaaayyyyy (long way) better. | ||
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Destroyer
Czech Republic931 Posts
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CrazyGamei
France11 Posts
Mondragoon ? Fishy ? Breakdown ? Infinity ? 4 players ? And thats that ? Ok Raven , sYs , Mario , Pako , Blackman , Tomson , Spawn , Wiget. They could own Germany without no problems , and there are much more good players. Same West : H_Paul_WII, Grrrr, Testie Germany is not the best , maybe 3 , 4 ... Get over with it. | ||
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CrazyGamei
France11 Posts
Someone sayed Blackman cant be counted "becouse he doesnt show his skills" ... LOL - He didnt show his skils before WCG 2002 either ... Furthermore the famouse Fishy went 2nd on wcg 2003 and BM went 3rd on wcg 2002. And the truth is that BM owned Fishy with his zerg like a child and made gave him a hard time with his terran (and as we all know , he plays zerg) So i resume that compering those two is just funny :> Same as compering mondy to him. | ||
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lefty
United States1896 Posts
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Jim
Sweden1965 Posts
On August 16 2004 10:32 CrazyGamei wrote: Look who does actually Germany have ? Mondragoon ? Fishy ? Breakdown ? Infinity ? 4 players ? And thats that ? Ok Raven , sYs , Mario , Pako , Blackman , Tomson , Spawn , Wiget. They could own Germany without no problems , and there are much more good players. Same West : H_Paul_WII, Grrrr, Testie Germany is not the best , maybe 3 , 4 ... Get over with it. Mondragon is crazy good. Ogerdaniel, Socke, Hexer would probably be equal to everyone except draco and bm. And if you think Blackman would own Mondragon ez you are so wrong. Mondragon is almost as good as the korean zergs at zvz and blackmans game is zvt and zvp. | ||
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Platon[HS]
Poland24 Posts
On August 16 2004 10:18 Beyonder wrote: Do we have so many Polish forum members? Yes You have but some of them juts read this site and forum adn don't write anything ;] | ||
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BetrayaL
Germany250 Posts
On August 16 2004 10:32 CrazyGamei wrote: Look who does actually Germany have ? Mondragoon ? Fishy ? Breakdown ? Infinity ? 4 players ? And thats that ? hexer, breakdown, ogerdaniel, socke, rob, rifter, fenris, cope etc. but nice try. | ||
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Destroyer
Czech Republic931 Posts
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CrazyGamei
France11 Posts
1 - Draco is one of our weakest players in POL-team history , so if u think he is good , u dont have any idea how others play (spawn , wget ,sys , mario , etc etc etc) 2 - Blackman is blackman , u have info f 2 years ago on his z/z. I can bet he probibly rocks now. | ||
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BetrayaL
Germany250 Posts
On August 16 2004 11:29 CrazyGamei wrote: 1 - Draco is one of our weakest players in POL-team history , so if u think he is good , u dont have any idea how others play (spawn , wget ,sys , mario , etc etc etc) the profile says your are from france, but you use "our" if you talk about poland. looks like you are just another retard without arguments  you are only talking about things that were 2 years ago. | ||
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CrazyGamei
France11 Posts
U have very bad info my friend 1 - Draco is one of THE WEAKEST Pol-team members in history. If u think he is good ... then players like sYs , Spawn , Wiget , Mario , Pako etc. are Gods. 2 - Blackman is gaining skills. 2 years have past and i bet his z/z went up very high. And were not talking about a match of Mondi vs BM but o the terms of skills. I mean Blackmans ZvP and ZvT is one of the best in the world, and u ant say that about Mondragon sry ;.> | ||
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CrazyGamei
France11 Posts
Yes im intersted in Polish SC scene becouse it is the best. | ||
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CrazyGamei
France11 Posts
Poland 7 : 6 Germany Poland 5 : 3 Germany Blackman 2 : 1 Fisheye (almost owned Fishy with Terran) POOL : 38 : 21 % Poland #1 So i bet that you simply can`t admit Germany is damn worse, and it is. | ||
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CrazyGamei
France11 Posts
I mean do u think only German Players Gain skills ? Polish "high players" overal skill level has grown very high during the last two years, and keeps on growing. Just look at Raven for example ... | ||
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BetrayaL
Germany250 Posts
90% you are talking about bm. and btw, your gods (raven, spawn etc.) lost vs russia 2-5. poland is one of the best nations for sure, but they are not the only country, that claims to be the strongest nation. | ||
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readY_bg
Bulgaria168 Posts
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tomson
Poland641 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3423 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3423 Posts
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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.YouJustGotRapeD
United States227 Posts
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.YouJustGotRapeD
United States227 Posts
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Jim
Sweden1965 Posts
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Art_of_Kill
Zaire1232 Posts
germany china canada and poland are some level i think in 2on2 germany > all (korea too!!!) | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
Poland is just fucking sick. blackman is sick, draco is sick, sys is sick, tomson is sick, raven is good and spawn is ok. germany is fucking nasty too with mondi, fisheye, and whoever else of the 10 great players they have fills out their top 5. Yeah there are a lot of polish people worthlessly spamming their opinions but it is pretty clear to me that these are EASILY the two best nations outside korea. china/canada are a distant 3rd. | ||
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IPS.ZeRo
Germany1142 Posts
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iLoveLulu
Venezuela457 Posts
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Freezer_au
Australia1461 Posts
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sy_nic
China2 Posts
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A.KidMaN
Poland37 Posts
Pj > blackman ? Last time blackman > pj 2-0 in a very 1 side games I dunno whitch nation is better pol or ger but bot have very strong players ... If i remember good blackman destroyed zvt Oddysay on terran map Hall of Valhalla and went 3rd WCG What have done Pj ? t_T | ||
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lefty
United States1896 Posts
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jay
China15 Posts
poland vs china | ||
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Star.Blue
China1 Post
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True_Spike
Poland3423 Posts
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BetrayaL
Germany250 Posts
On August 16 2004 23:57 A.KidMaN wrote: If i remember good blackman destroyed zvt Oddysay on terran map Hall of Valhalla and went 3rd WCG if i remember good boxer destroyed tvz blackman on lost temple and went 1st wcg. stop with that retarded "abc destroyed xyz". you say blackman destroy his oppenents, because you only see replays of him winning. there are rarely any replays where blackman lost and thats not because he win 95% of his games. | ||
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tomson
Poland641 Posts
On August 17 2004 04:33 BetrayaL wrote: if i remember good boxer destroyed tvz blackman on lost temple and went 1st wcg. stop with that retarded "abc destroyed xyz". you say blackman destroy his oppenents, because you only see replays of him winning. there are rarely any replays where blackman lost and thats not because he win 95% of his games. That actually came out pretty bad, since Kidman gets to see Blackman play live pretty often and maybe even has replays that were never spread. Mondragons style isn't exactly impressive. He's pretty slow, he doesn't micro/macro on an amazing level, nor does he have the multitask. But he always plays wise. He's the king of consistency. You can always count on him. | ||
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tough
China1 Post
pj won yellow. http://yaoyuan.com/show.php?SID=29168 op_legend -->> [NC]..YelloW I LOVE REN is pj! it's korea can join wcg.the id is a korea friend give to him. | ||
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BetrayaL
Germany250 Posts
On August 17 2004 04:41 tomson wrote: Mondragons style isn't exactly impressive. He's pretty slow, he doesn't micro/macro on an amazing level, nor does he have the multitask. But he always plays wise. He's the king of consistency. You can always count on him. comparing mondragon and blackman is pointless. most people know mondragon because of replays etc., but most people dont know blackman, because there are only a few replays. blackman rarely play tournaments or show himself to the public. on the other side mondragon proved that he is one of the best player outside korea atm. thats the difference and thats one reason why you cant compare these two players. besides that blackman is still one of the best z players outside korea according to his 3rd place on the wcg a few years ago. | ||
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Freezer_au
Australia1461 Posts
Anyway you can't judge blackman because of one WCG where he did well. He has hardly achieved anything since then. Might aswell be worshipping fisheye for finishing 2nd | ||
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NaLeSnick
Poland5 Posts
rotfl =] and Bullshit! All knew that Blackman played the same strat on wcg 2 years ago but why only Boxer and Yellow defeated him ? | ||
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
On August 16 2004 01:41 WooKasZ wrote: POLAND GOGOGO We have also Spawn,Draco & Pako Maybe NuclearAntelope will tell who is good in USA? I know 2 maybe 3 players from USA;/ Time to hop aboard the clue train. I was making fun of the guy who said that poland had no good players, retard. | ||
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Zhyan
United States23 Posts
don't just look at pj. he even don't qualify the "chinese national team qualification (16 progamers tournament, thats why you didn't see pj in WEG)". and in the recent DCG match after WCG, he only got the 4th prize of StarCraft(in which pku_bb got the 1st prize). China has really many good players. i vote china not because of pj. but because of the good players and their pro-league. | ||
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
On August 16 2004 16:49 BigBalls wrote: you just got raped, youre a retard Poland is just fucking sick. blackman is sick, draco is sick, sys is sick, tomson is sick, raven is good and spawn is ok. germany is fucking nasty too with mondi, fisheye, and whoever else of the 10 great players they have fills out their top 5. Yeah there are a lot of polish people worthlessly spamming their opinions but it is pretty clear to me that these are EASILY the two best nations outside korea. china/canada are a distant 3rd. I think you have the right concept here, but china is better than either of them. You have: Pj, MTY, WYW, HK, HBQ, and some other 2-3 letter names that I can't think of. The thing is, if we look at the country as a WHOLE, china just has so many players. Perhaps germany or poland's best 1v1 lineup can best china, but overall china is better. | ||
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tomson
Poland641 Posts
a) they're Asian b) most people are clueless about their scene, so when they see a new name doing pretty good they're starting to think the country is full of talents But like I said - just a bit. | ||
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xG-BlizzY
Slovakia97 Posts
On August 17 2004 07:31 tomson wrote: China is a bit overrated, because: a) they're Asian b) most people are clueless about their scene, so when they see a new name doing pretty good they're starting to think the country is full of talents But like I said - just a bit. i dont understand your a.) point... what does it have with BW skills ? Are also Japanese "bit overrated" cuz they are asian ? | ||
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xG-BlizzY
Slovakia97 Posts
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DreamOfVision
Poland318 Posts
as for blizzy, japan isent overrated because they dont have a lot of "Big Names". Such as Korea, China, Germany, Poland, ECT. So they arent really "rated" at all. Most of us know whats going on in Europe BW wise, but not so much in china. There for we know that Europe has some good players. BUT since we dont know whats going on in china we cant really tell weather they are good or not. All we can go on are names such as PJ and WYW. | ||
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niom
Poland46 Posts
Oh, i forgot. Ask =AG=Raven about the difference between Pol and China, he's sittin in their bw community for a long long time, and he's a expert of it | ||
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Saiyo
France127 Posts
 none of them u guys now France or even Chile  they really own lately, but nobady can says that Chine is the best Nation, u still have germany  Go Go Go France with Elky  | ||
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Saiyo
France127 Posts
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
3rd-----Germany 4th-----Canada | ||
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
On August 16 2004 04:21 readY_bg wrote: heheeheheh srry Poland but I think you wont take one game vs Germany. Germany has the strongest players outside korea.Mondragon/Breakdown/Fisheye/. . . . . . . But I think admins had to put BULGARIA team. 10x Someone is living in a dream? | ||
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sztuczyn
Poland694 Posts
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