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On February 18 2009 17:16 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2009 10:13 Scooge wrote:On February 17 2009 09:47 Shikyo wrote:On February 17 2009 09:32 Scooge wrote:
Where are you people getting this "pro-gamer level TvZ" from? Has there been decent games of Idra released lately or is this just based on that one comment by Artosis? Everything besides Artosis's comment points to Idra being less than pro-gamer level at TvZ (to put it nicely), and Artosis might be a little bias considering he's Idra's friend and clanmate and his website has a stake in seeing Idra do well in Korea.
He's a progamer, hence his TvZ is progamer level. That's like trying to defute the statement "Idra plays as well as Idra.". It just defines itself. You're being evasive about the question. There's no reason to get technical about it. When people say pro-gamer level they mean he's able to compete with A team pro-gamers. That he's as good as the players on televised games. Being on a pro team doesn't make you have pro-gamer level skills. There are a lot of practice partners and B team members on every pro team. True Idra is a licensed pro-gamer, but that doesn't mean much, not even factoring in his license was gifted to him and not from passing Courage. No? Progamer level means that he can take games off B-level progamers. Nobody mentioned a-class or anything like that, ever. Progamer-level means that he can take games off people with progamer licenses. Many progamers don't play televised games, but they still are progamers and, yes, progamer level.
Woo, I guess every top foreigner is pro-gamer level then. They can, and have, all beat B-team members.
Pro-gaming license means nothing. Each team can gift them to anyone. If KTF gave me a pro-gamer license (because coach loves me), am I pro-gamer level or do I just have a worthless license? Think a little.
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On February 19 2009 04:16 Scooge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2009 17:16 Shikyo wrote:On February 17 2009 10:13 Scooge wrote:On February 17 2009 09:47 Shikyo wrote:On February 17 2009 09:32 Scooge wrote:
Where are you people getting this "pro-gamer level TvZ" from? Has there been decent games of Idra released lately or is this just based on that one comment by Artosis? Everything besides Artosis's comment points to Idra being less than pro-gamer level at TvZ (to put it nicely), and Artosis might be a little bias considering he's Idra's friend and clanmate and his website has a stake in seeing Idra do well in Korea.
He's a progamer, hence his TvZ is progamer level. That's like trying to defute the statement "Idra plays as well as Idra.". It just defines itself. You're being evasive about the question. There's no reason to get technical about it. When people say pro-gamer level they mean he's able to compete with A team pro-gamers. That he's as good as the players on televised games. Being on a pro team doesn't make you have pro-gamer level skills. There are a lot of practice partners and B team members on every pro team. True Idra is a licensed pro-gamer, but that doesn't mean much, not even factoring in his license was gifted to him and not from passing Courage. No? Progamer level means that he can take games off B-level progamers. Nobody mentioned a-class or anything like that, ever. Progamer-level means that he can take games off people with progamer licenses. Many progamers don't play televised games, but they still are progamers and, yes, progamer level. Woo, I guess every top foreigner is pro-gamer level then. They can, and have, all beat B-team members. Pro-gaming license means nothing. Each team can gift them to anyone. If KTF gave me a pro-gamer license (because coach loves me), am I pro-gamer level or do I just have a worthless license? Think a little.
Pro-gaming license is not "worthless", a team can give out only 2 a year so wasting them is certainly not something they do regularly.
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F91 4:3 Idra~~~~~~~~~
Well, Idra is better than Nony........
So, 4:3 for F91.
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On February 19 2009 05:24 1030xxx wrote:
F91 4:3 Idra~~~~~~~~~
Well, Idra is better than Nony........
So, 4:3 for F91.
or not :D
i think it will be 6-1 or 5-2 in favor of F91
he is #218 on the iccup ladder.
he got balls.
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I'm going for the guy that practices with koreans for 11 hours a day. 5-2 greggory
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hmm.. F91 isn't really a pushover either
..IDrA will prolly take it 4-3 or 5-2 with F91 taking a game here and there
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On February 19 2009 06:47 Comeh wrote:
I'm going for the guy that practices with koreans for 11 hours a day. 5-2 greggory
really.
11 hours a day?
70 or so hours a week
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Woot, time for IdrA to show us what he learned, and his sexy muscles ^^.
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On February 19 2009 04:16 Scooge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2009 17:16 Shikyo wrote:On February 17 2009 10:13 Scooge wrote:On February 17 2009 09:47 Shikyo wrote:On February 17 2009 09:32 Scooge wrote:
Where are you people getting this "pro-gamer level TvZ" from? Has there been decent games of Idra released lately or is this just based on that one comment by Artosis? Everything besides Artosis's comment points to Idra being less than pro-gamer level at TvZ (to put it nicely), and Artosis might be a little bias considering he's Idra's friend and clanmate and his website has a stake in seeing Idra do well in Korea.
He's a progamer, hence his TvZ is progamer level. That's like trying to defute the statement "Idra plays as well as Idra.". It just defines itself. You're being evasive about the question. There's no reason to get technical about it. When people say pro-gamer level they mean he's able to compete with A team pro-gamers. That he's as good as the players on televised games. Being on a pro team doesn't make you have pro-gamer level skills. There are a lot of practice partners and B team members on every pro team. True Idra is a licensed pro-gamer, but that doesn't mean much, not even factoring in his license was gifted to him and not from passing Courage. No? Progamer level means that he can take games off B-level progamers. Nobody mentioned a-class or anything like that, ever. Progamer-level means that he can take games off people with progamer licenses. Many progamers don't play televised games, but they still are progamers and, yes, progamer level. Woo, I guess every top foreigner is pro-gamer level then. They can, and have, all beat B-team members. Pro-gaming license means nothing. Each team can gift them to anyone. If KTF gave me a pro-gamer license (because coach loves me), am I pro-gamer level or do I just have a worthless license? Think a little. Good luck convincing KTF to give you a license.
There are A-team progamers and B-team progamers.
We know that Idra is B-team progamer quality. He plays with B-team progamers all day, and, we can assume, holds his own.
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Picked F91. Sorry Idra.
I think you're too counterable. The more you play standard games against the same opponent, the easier it is for your opponent to find a comfort zone against you.
Then again, I don't really know what I'm talking about sense I haven't seen much of Idra's play recently. Looking forward to it.
Sidenote: A big lol at the pointless semantics bullshit arguments going on here about "what is progamer level". Both these guys are good. Really fucking good. Enough said.
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so unfair
late on Saturday night im going to be seeing chick corea live
why cant i watch both ;_;
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On February 19 2009 15:57 QuasiMachina wrote:
so unfair
late on Saturday night im going to be seeing chick corea live
why cant i watch both ;_;
you can watch unspoiled vods of games, chich corea is much better choice for the evening
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IdrA should win... Just more pressure for him and he'll choke so hopefully he does well  Gogo
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Unless Idras playstyle has changed drasticly i think he's going to be exploited by f91 quite heavily, he needs to stop playing so passively and just waiting on opponents to make misstake. I don't believe that sort of strategy works at this high level, you need to take control of your game to win it, not always count on your opponent to make a misstake.
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i want idra to win overall but id like to see lots of close games rather than someone getting steamrolled, so maybe a 4-3 in favour of idra?
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On February 19 2009 08:26 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 04:16 Scooge wrote:On February 18 2009 17:16 Shikyo wrote:On February 17 2009 10:13 Scooge wrote:On February 17 2009 09:47 Shikyo wrote:On February 17 2009 09:32 Scooge wrote:
Where are you people getting this "pro-gamer level TvZ" from? Has there been decent games of Idra released lately or is this just based on that one comment by Artosis? Everything besides Artosis's comment points to Idra being less than pro-gamer level at TvZ (to put it nicely), and Artosis might be a little bias considering he's Idra's friend and clanmate and his website has a stake in seeing Idra do well in Korea.
He's a progamer, hence his TvZ is progamer level. That's like trying to defute the statement "Idra plays as well as Idra.". It just defines itself. You're being evasive about the question. There's no reason to get technical about it. When people say pro-gamer level they mean he's able to compete with A team pro-gamers. That he's as good as the players on televised games. Being on a pro team doesn't make you have pro-gamer level skills. There are a lot of practice partners and B team members on every pro team. True Idra is a licensed pro-gamer, but that doesn't mean much, not even factoring in his license was gifted to him and not from passing Courage. No? Progamer level means that he can take games off B-level progamers. Nobody mentioned a-class or anything like that, ever. Progamer-level means that he can take games off people with progamer licenses. Many progamers don't play televised games, but they still are progamers and, yes, progamer level. Woo, I guess every top foreigner is pro-gamer level then. They can, and have, all beat B-team members. Pro-gaming license means nothing. Each team can gift them to anyone. If KTF gave me a pro-gamer license (because coach loves me), am I pro-gamer level or do I just have a worthless license? Think a little. Good luck convincing KTF to give you a license. There are A-team progamers and B-team progamers. We know that Idra is B-team progamer quality. He plays with B-team progamers all day, and, we can assume, holds his own.
He holds his own against estro's B-team we know, since he had to beat half of them during an in-house tournament to get his license. Once he got a license, CJ poached him because they thought he had potential from his games vs Stork and didn't have to worry about him getting a license. I really hope Idra has gotten better after 1 year of training. It would be awesome if he made A-team benchwarmer this year.
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On February 20 2009 08:38 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 08:26 Zozma wrote:On February 19 2009 04:16 Scooge wrote:On February 18 2009 17:16 Shikyo wrote:On February 17 2009 10:13 Scooge wrote:On February 17 2009 09:47 Shikyo wrote:On February 17 2009 09:32 Scooge wrote:
Where are you people getting this "pro-gamer level TvZ" from? Has there been decent games of Idra released lately or is this just based on that one comment by Artosis? Everything besides Artosis's comment points to Idra being less than pro-gamer level at TvZ (to put it nicely), and Artosis might be a little bias considering he's Idra's friend and clanmate and his website has a stake in seeing Idra do well in Korea.
He's a progamer, hence his TvZ is progamer level. That's like trying to defute the statement "Idra plays as well as Idra.". It just defines itself. You're being evasive about the question. There's no reason to get technical about it. When people say pro-gamer level they mean he's able to compete with A team pro-gamers. That he's as good as the players on televised games. Being on a pro team doesn't make you have pro-gamer level skills. There are a lot of practice partners and B team members on every pro team. True Idra is a licensed pro-gamer, but that doesn't mean much, not even factoring in his license was gifted to him and not from passing Courage. No? Progamer level means that he can take games off B-level progamers. Nobody mentioned a-class or anything like that, ever. Progamer-level means that he can take games off people with progamer licenses. Many progamers don't play televised games, but they still are progamers and, yes, progamer level. Woo, I guess every top foreigner is pro-gamer level then. They can, and have, all beat B-team members. Pro-gaming license means nothing. Each team can gift them to anyone. If KTF gave me a pro-gamer license (because coach loves me), am I pro-gamer level or do I just have a worthless license? Think a little. Good luck convincing KTF to give you a license. There are A-team progamers and B-team progamers. We know that Idra is B-team progamer quality. He plays with B-team progamers all day, and, we can assume, holds his own. He holds his own against estro's B-team we know, since he had to beat half of them during an in-house tournament to get his license. Once he got a license, CJ poached him because they thought he had potential from his games vs Stork and didn't have to worry about him getting a license. I really hope Idra has gotten better after 1 year of training. It would be awesome if he made A-team benchwarmer this year.
I would love to somehow see him as a TvZ sniper this year.
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When I read this thread yesterday I could've sworn it said "bloodsport"...
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I am so fucking psyched for this liquibition. Holy shit good lord oh my god gee wilikers!
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