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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
February 16 2009 22:23 GMT
#101
I'm pumped for this. I hope that nothing else in my life gets in the way so that I can watch this.
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SiMPL
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia94 Posts
February 16 2009 23:04 GMT
#102
Idra's tvz is progamer level.

I dont really know F91 but for sure any zerg player will have some trouble vs this particular terran.
Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
February 16 2009 23:23 GMT
#103
Awesome possum, awesome possum.
Super serious.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17068 Posts
February 16 2009 23:58 GMT
#104
On February 17 2009 06:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
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On February 17 2009 05:12 AttackZerg wrote:
I think most of the zergs admit to getting crushed by him or him being good ....


F91 is also a top player though, and damn, he plays good Starcraft.

I just don't think Idra can stand up to the best Zerg in China, and arguably the best Starcraft player in China.


I for sure think he can. Idra just plays such a consistent style that it'll be hard for any aggressive "non-standard," if you will, Zerg player to beat him. I think F91's risky play style is going to hurt him tremendously.
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Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
February 17 2009 00:05 GMT
#105
On February 17 2009 08:58 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 06:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On February 17 2009 05:12 AttackZerg wrote:
I think most of the zergs admit to getting crushed by him or him being good ....


F91 is also a top player though, and damn, he plays good Starcraft.

I just don't think Idra can stand up to the best Zerg in China, and arguably the best Starcraft player in China.


I for sure think he can. Idra just plays such a consistent style that it'll be hard for any aggressive "non-standard," if you will, Zerg player to beat him. I think F91's risky play style is going to hurt him tremendously.

I'm not so sure about that. Maybe IdrA has gotten a lot better since I last saw him, but it seems in most of the games I watch where he loses, he suffers some serious damage from a "stupid" cheese that hurts him so bad he can't win. The last time this happened was in Spirit, when Fenix did a quick DT drop and eventually went on to beat him.
Super serious.
Scooge
Profile Joined December 2008
Iceland144 Posts
February 17 2009 00:32 GMT
#106
Where are you people getting this "pro-gamer level TvZ" from? Has there been decent games of Idra released lately or is this just based on that one comment by Artosis? Everything besides Artosis's comment points to Idra being less than pro-gamer level at TvZ (to put it nicely), and Artosis might be a little bias considering he's Idra's friend and clanmate and his website has a stake in seeing Idra do well in Korea.

Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 17 2009 00:47 GMT
#107
On February 17 2009 09:32 Scooge wrote:
Where are you people getting this "pro-gamer level TvZ" from? Has there been decent games of Idra released lately or is this just based on that one comment by Artosis? Everything besides Artosis's comment points to Idra being less than pro-gamer level at TvZ (to put it nicely), and Artosis might be a little bias considering he's Idra's friend and clanmate and his website has a stake in seeing Idra do well in Korea.


He's a progamer, hence his TvZ is progamer level. That's like trying to defute the statement "Idra plays as well as Idra.". It just defines itself.
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Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
February 17 2009 01:07 GMT
#108
On February 17 2009 09:05 Centric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 08:58 Empyrean wrote:
On February 17 2009 06:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On February 17 2009 05:12 AttackZerg wrote:
I think most of the zergs admit to getting crushed by him or him being good ....


F91 is also a top player though, and damn, he plays good Starcraft.

I just don't think Idra can stand up to the best Zerg in China, and arguably the best Starcraft player in China.


I for sure think he can. Idra just plays such a consistent style that it'll be hard for any aggressive "non-standard," if you will, Zerg player to beat him. I think F91's risky play style is going to hurt him tremendously.

I'm not so sure about that. Maybe IdrA has gotten a lot better since I last saw him, but it seems in most of the games I watch where he loses, he suffers some serious damage from a "stupid" cheese that hurts him so bad he can't win. The last time this happened was in Spirit, when Fenix did a quick DT drop and eventually went on to beat him.

I agree, I think cheesey style play is IdrA's weakness, which makes F91 an especially fearsome opponent
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Scooge
Profile Joined December 2008
Iceland144 Posts
February 17 2009 01:13 GMT
#109
On February 17 2009 09:47 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 09:32 Scooge wrote:
Where are you people getting this "pro-gamer level TvZ" from? Has there been decent games of Idra released lately or is this just based on that one comment by Artosis? Everything besides Artosis's comment points to Idra being less than pro-gamer level at TvZ (to put it nicely), and Artosis might be a little bias considering he's Idra's friend and clanmate and his website has a stake in seeing Idra do well in Korea.


He's a progamer, hence his TvZ is progamer level. That's like trying to defute the statement "Idra plays as well as Idra.". It just defines itself.


You're being evasive about the question. There's no reason to get technical about it. When people say pro-gamer level they mean he's able to compete with A team pro-gamers. That he's as good as the players on televised games. Being on a pro team doesn't make you have pro-gamer level skills. There are a lot of practice partners and B team members on every pro team. True Idra is a licensed pro-gamer, but that doesn't mean much, not even factoring in his license was gifted to him and not from passing Courage.

omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
February 17 2009 01:20 GMT
#110
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f91 is going to embarrass many of you.
Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
February 17 2009 01:52 GMT
#111
Man I have SAT stuff that day.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 02:27:03
February 17 2009 02:22 GMT
#112
On February 17 2009 10:13 Scooge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 09:47 Shikyo wrote:
On February 17 2009 09:32 Scooge wrote:
Where are you people getting this "pro-gamer level TvZ" from? Has there been decent games of Idra released lately or is this just based on that one comment by Artosis? Everything besides Artosis's comment points to Idra being less than pro-gamer level at TvZ (to put it nicely), and Artosis might be a little bias considering he's Idra's friend and clanmate and his website has a stake in seeing Idra do well in Korea.


He's a progamer, hence his TvZ is progamer level. That's like trying to defute the statement "Idra plays as well as Idra.". It just defines itself.


You're being evasive about the question. There's no reason to get technical about it. When people say pro-gamer level they mean he's able to compete with A team pro-gamers. That he's as good as the players on televised games. Being on a pro team doesn't make you have pro-gamer level skills. There are a lot of practice partners and B team members on every pro team. True Idra is a licensed pro-gamer, but that doesn't mean much, not even factoring in his license was gifted to him and not from passing Courage.


I dont know about A team but he has taken games off other z pros.
2-0 Yellow in blizzcon and 1-2 vs some zerg on gom and the game he won it was really one sided. Yellow took a game off nada so im pretty sure yellow is still decent.

I dont think idra is weak against agressive allin builds. Look at his series vs yellow. Yellow went 2 hatch muta into guardian and 2 hatch speedling and idra defended both off well. And this was a few months so im pretty sure he improved a lot from then after practicing 8+ hours everyday.

The only problem Idra probably has is with his nerves on high stages but since this isnt on a stage or anything he should do fine.

I really dont understand why everyone downplays that he got his license without passing courage. You guys make it seem estro gave it to idra free of charge.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
February 17 2009 02:23 GMT
#113
F91 is going to go to town. That said, I'm sure there will be some sick games and Idra will certainly take a couple.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
February 17 2009 02:26 GMT
#114
I voted 5-2, F91's favor.
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KnightOfNi
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1508 Posts
February 17 2009 02:26 GMT
#115
You can't mech on Colosseum. Period.
RIP eSTRO :(
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 17 2009 02:34 GMT
#116
On February 17 2009 11:26 KnightOfNi wrote:
You can't mech on Colosseum. Period.

Light begs to differ
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
x89titan
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
February 17 2009 02:44 GMT
#117
lol all the korean training in the world an american gets cant stop a chinese. look wat happened to nony: it sent him home...rip
Heaven came down and glory filled my soul, when at the cross the Savior made me whole
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
February 17 2009 03:17 GMT
#118
On February 17 2009 11:26 KnightOfNi wrote:
You can't mech on Colosseum. Period.

wtf? colosseum is an awesome map for mech.
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dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
February 17 2009 03:47 GMT
#119
hahah how can you not mech on Col?

what exactly is bad about it?
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
February 17 2009 03:56 GMT
#120
On February 17 2009 11:26 KnightOfNi wrote:
You can't mech on Colosseum. Period.

You can wall, easily defendible 3rd gas?
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
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