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Proleague to start on April 12
Shinhan Bank Proleague 2008 will kick off on the 12th of April with the same 12 teams that participated last season. It seems like the issue with Samsung Khan has been resolved and the rumors of ACE disbanding have been proven false.
2008's season will work slightly different than previous seasons, as it will only last 6 months and have its Grand Final on the 2nd of August. So it's basically only half a season.
In September 2008 Proleague Season 08/09 will begin with some format changes. Until now the Proleague Seasons have been divided into a 1st half and 2nd half, both halves with playoffs and final. After that, the 1st half and 2nd half champion would battle it out once again in the ultimate Grand Final. The new system however, will consist of 4 rounds, meaning each team has to play all other teams 4 times (4x11matches = 44 matches in total for each team). After this is finished, six teams will qualify for the playoffs. The #1 ranked team will automatically qualify for the grand final. Team #3 will play against Team #6, Team #4 will play against Team #5. The winners of those matches will play each other. The winner of this match will then play Rank #2. And the winner of this match will then finally play against Rank #1 in the Grand Final.
I'm sorry, I guess this was very confusing, maybe someone can draw a tournament table or so :p
An official press conference will be held on the 10th of April.
Source:
FiFo
Fomos
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it's not confusing at all man!
but who cares, about the format as long as it's not completely retarded... i'm just soooo happy i will be able to see ACE team again!
hope this time they will win some more games :}}
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Melbourne5338 Posts
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WOOHOO im so excited for the new season!
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This means we will see 308 games at maximum.
308 until the playoffs of course..
With playoff / final (35)
it would be 343
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Belgium9950 Posts
If I counted correctly this should make for 220 games in 6 months. Thats alot.
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Finally. This will be excellent.
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On April 02 2008 21:42 RaGe wrote:
If I counted correctly this should make for 220 games in 6 months. Thats alot.
How can it be 220? :o
Every team has to face all others teams 4 times. So its 4*11 = 44.
44 Best of 7
44*7 (max games) = 308
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660 potential games in 4 months is ridiculous.
Edit: I'm talking about the upcoming season. The other season's something like...1320 potential games over 6 months.
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sorry to say, but the image provided by pachi is slightly off.
it should be
"Play Offs
Third Place vs Sixth Place
Fourth Place vs Fifth Place
Winner 3v6 vs Winner 4v5
Winner vs Second Place"
in the 2nd row of the 2nd coloumn.
At least if I understand the text correctly, y'know 
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In the regular season of everybody plays each other 4 times, it's 12 choose 2 games times 4:
12! / (10! * 2!) * 4 = 12 * 11 / 2 * 4 = 264 matches (bo5) played; 792-1320 games total
or, each team plays every other team, so each team (12 teams) plays 11 teams (every team but itself), 12 * 11 counts each matchup twice (team A vs. team G is the same match as team G vs. team A) so you divide by 2. And this happens 4 times.
I do suck hard at combinatorics though.
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On April 02 2008 21:38 pachi wrote:
my god pachi you're amazing, how do you come up with this stuff so fast?
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On April 02 2008 22:14 Myrmidon wrote:
In the regular season of everybody plays each other 4 times, it's 12 choose 2 games times 4:
12! / (10! * 2!) * 4 = 12 * 11 / 2 * 4 = 264 matches (bo5) played; 792-1320 games total
or, each team plays every other team, so each team (12 teams) plays 11 teams (every team but itself), 12 * 11 counts each matchup twice (team A vs. team G is the same match as team G vs. team A) so you divide by 2. And this happens 4 times.
I do suck hard at combinatorics though.
Its Best of 7!
Every team playes every other team:
12 Teams,
11 Matches for every team.
11 Best of 7 Matches mean:
11 * 7
This happens 4 times which means
11 * 7 * 4 = 308
+ Playoffs / Final
(11 * 7 * 4) + 35 = 343!
Edit: Why divide by 2? Its nonsense.. G vs A is the same as A vs G, but its still different matches.
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On April 02 2008 22:02 praetor.at wrote:sorry to say, but the image provided by pachi is slightly off. it should be "Play Offs Third Place vs Sixth Place Fourth Place vs Fifth Place Winner 3v6 vs Winner 4v5 Winner vs Second Place" in the 2nd row of the 2nd coloumn. At least if I understand the text correctly, y'know
this is correct
and another thing:
the 2008/2009 season (that starts in september) will have just as many league matches as the previous seasons. with the only difference that there will be playoffs and finals only one time. so in total there will be slightly less games compared to previous seasons.
the upcoming 2008 season (april - august) will have exactly half of the games (2 rounds + playoffs). the reason for this is that kespa from now on wants the leagues to start in fall, so they can have the grand final in summer at pusan beach. so the upcoming season is only half as long as usual.
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On April 02 2008 22:18 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2008 22:14 Myrmidon wrote:
In the regular season of everybody plays each other 4 times, it's 12 choose 2 games times 4:
12! / (10! * 2!) * 4 = 12 * 11 / 2 * 4 = 264 matches (bo5) played; 792-1320 games total
or, each team plays every other team, so each team (12 teams) plays 11 teams (every team but itself), 12 * 11 counts each matchup twice (team A vs. team G is the same match as team G vs. team A) so you divide by 2. And this happens 4 times.
I do suck hard at combinatorics though. Its Best of 7! Every team playes every other team: 12 Teams, 11 Matches for every team. 11 Best of 7 Matches mean: 11 * 7 This happens 4 times which means 11 * 7 * 4 = 308 + Playoffs / Final (11 * 7 * 4) + 35 = 343! Edit: Why divide by 2? Its nonsense.. G vs A is the same as A vs G, but its still different matches.
How is this a response to him? You are seeking different answers.
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HonestTea
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Sometimes I wish Pachi would make a graphic of my life so that it's all simple and easy to understand
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Not dividing by 2 is the nonsense. Team1 plays versus Team2, that is 2 teams and only one game. If you don't divide by 2 you duplicate all matches.
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Calgary25998 Posts
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So will this be Boxer's last season on Ace?
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WOOHOO
Finally after all that time of waiting 
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Melbourne5338 Posts
On April 02 2008 23:08 HonestTea wrote:
Sometimes I wish Pachi would make a graphic of my life so that it's all simple and easy to understand
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On April 03 2008 00:32 pachi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2008 23:08 HonestTea wrote:
Sometimes I wish Pachi would make a graphic of my life so that it's all simple and easy to understand
pachi is amazing.
Edit: Figure I'd also put in that I like shorter seasons so I'm looking forward to the 08 one more than the 08/09. Plus, it's sooner.
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On April 03 2008 00:32 pachi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2008 23:08 HonestTea wrote:
Sometimes I wish Pachi would make a graphic of my life so that it's all simple and easy to understand
LOL
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is awesome32278 Posts
On April 03 2008 00:32 pachi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2008 23:08 HonestTea wrote:
Sometimes I wish Pachi would make a graphic of my life so that it's all simple and easy to understand
hahah
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South Africa4316 Posts
Thanks Snowbird! Can't wait to see the new league and the new maps in use. It's going to be great!
Hahahaha Pachi!
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Belgium9950 Posts
On April 02 2008 22:18 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2008 22:14 Myrmidon wrote:
In the regular season of everybody plays each other 4 times, it's 12 choose 2 games times 4:
12! / (10! * 2!) * 4 = 12 * 11 / 2 * 4 = 264 matches (bo5) played; 792-1320 games total
or, each team plays every other team, so each team (12 teams) plays 11 teams (every team but itself), 12 * 11 counts each matchup twice (team A vs. team G is the same match as team G vs. team A) so you divide by 2. And this happens 4 times.
I do suck hard at combinatorics though. Its Best of 7! Every team playes every other team: 12 Teams, 11 Matches for every team. 11 Best of 7 Matches mean: 11 * 7 This happens 4 times which means 11 * 7 * 4 = 308 + Playoffs / Final (11 * 7 * 4) + 35 = 343! Edit: Why divide by 2? Its nonsense.. G vs A is the same as A vs G, but its still different matches.
nah G vs A is counted as same as A vs G i think
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Dividing by two is absolutely necessary. BTW, when was it announced that the regular-season matches were best of 7?
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United States37500 Posts
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If regular season matches are bo7 Ace is gonna take it in the butt even more than than before.
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like same amount of game compressed into 6 months.
the torrent tracker is going to blow up.
Pros:
Atleast 6 teams can get play off. Very high chance to see KTF.
Cons:
crap teams can now give away 0-4 instead of 0-2.
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Bo7 proleague match what? when?
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I were off. Sorry-_- Guess calculating with headache is not that cool :D!
Btw Pachi what program do you use for graphics?
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United States20664 Posts
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On April 03 2008 00:02 Chill wrote:
625.5 games is madness.
madness? no, Chill. this... is...
STARCRAAAAAAFT!!!
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So basically, first and second place finishers get to sit out most of the battles
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Pachi's graphic of Hot Bid's life is kinda cool.
I wish they'd have some UMS micro maps that are completely useless that require no skill. I also wish for all-kills and 2v2s, 3v3s, and 4v4s. And b/c I think it'd be interesting, fastest maps. One of the round robins should just be junk games where the players and their races and the map is chosen out of a hat.
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so are they really going to use Hunters?
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Where is everyone getting this best of 7 business from??
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United States20664 Posts
44 is so unlucky ;;
why'd they choose something like that.
Anyway, I hope KTF makes playoffs -.- just need to be top half, that should not be hard.
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With so many games, Baezzi will be very busy this season :p
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
It is a simple problem involving gauss formula. Lets say 1'st team plays 44 games. That means the 2'nd team, having already played 4 games with the 1'st team, will play 40 more games. The 3'rd team, having played 4 games with the 1'st and the 2'nd team will play 36 more games. Just follow the pattern until you get to 12'th team which will have played 0 more games for the other 11 teams have already played them. So you get this expreson.
44+40+36+32+28+24+20+16+12+8+4 or (44+4)x5.5 = 264 matches
If it is bo7 then we will see 1056 - 1848 games in the 08/09 season. That's a ridiculous amount of games! That's not even counting the playoffs.
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omg -.-
You guys are having so much trouble with how many games they have to play, what did we say the average IQ on TL was?
It tells you that in every round, every team will play against 11 other teams
So that's 11 * 12 / 2 = 66
Four rounds: 66 * 4 = 264
Upwards of seven games: 264 * 7 = 1848 games...
It's really not that hard...
If you are unconvinced, think about it this way, forget that every team has to play 11 matches. Think about it as every team has to play against every other team once in every round.
Since there are 12 teams, we have 11+10+9+...+1 = 66 matches in every round (if this is too hard to grasp, try 3 ppl shaking hands with each other once, how many handshakes? 4 ppl? 5 ppl?)
4 rounds and 7 games per match = 66 * 4 * 7 = 1848 It's magic...
+ Show Spoiler +Added subliminal message for fun
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On April 04 2008 06:14 Cambium wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Added subliminal message for fun
<3 :D
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On April 04 2008 06:14 Cambium wrote:omg -.- You guys are having so much trouble with how many games they have to play, what did we say the average IQ on TL was? It tells you that in every round, every team will play against 11 other teams So that's 11 * 12 / 2 = 66 Four rounds: 66 * 4 = 264 Upwards of seven games: 264 * 7 = 1848 games... It's really not that hard... If you are unconvinced, think about it this way, forget that every team has to play 11 matches. Think about it as every team has to play against every other team once in every round. Since there are 12 teams, we have 11+10+9+...+1 = 66 matches in every round (if this is too hard to grasp, try 3 ppl shaking hands with each other once, how many handshakes? 4 ppl? 5 ppl?) 4 rounds and 7 games per match = 66 * 4 * 7 = 1848 It's magic... + Show Spoiler +Added subliminal message for fun
Hey what the fuck? My reasoning and calculations were correct. 
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Awsome the grand finals are on my birthday!!!
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Hunters for teamplay classic. ^^
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