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[GSTL] Preview: Fnatic RC vs MvP

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[GSTL] Preview: Fnatic RC vs MvP

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June 28th, 2012 23:32 GMT

Table of Contents






Group A, Day Two
Intro


Fnatic RaidCall vs MvP
Preview



Check out the GSTL on Liquipedia



Introduction



Finally, we're back! After a week where real-life clobbered the GSTL team (and in the case of Waxangel, TLOpens), things are returning to normal, and coverage of the world's toughest Starcraft II team competition begins again.

With elimination matches put off until next week, this week it's just winners seeking even further glory. FnaticRC and Mvp are coming off against big wins against Prime and Slayers-EG respectively, and the winner of their duel will progress directly into they final-four bracket of the tournament.

GSTL kicks off at 09:00 GMT (+00:00)!

Fnatic RaidCall

MvP



by NrGmonk

How They Got Here

As it was Fnatic RaidCall’s debut season, they had a lot to prove to the world as a fledgling team in the scary GSTL environment. Had they failed, all their investment and hard work to establish a team house in Korea would have seemed to be for naught, with much work still needed before it would bear fruit. Detractors would point and laugh at how much of a waste of money it was for a foreign company to establish a Korean training house with an almost full Korean team.

But Fnatic has succeeded, and they've proven to other international e-sports organizations that their team model was indeed viable, that their investment was sound. At first, few expected Fnatic to do well, as they were not a well-established team with only two Code S level players in Alive and Oz and a supporting lineup of relative unknowns. And although Fnatic had a relatively rough start with a close loss to TSL, they bounced back by beating two of the strongest teams in the GSTL, LG-IM and Prime. Even if Fnatic fall out of the GSTL at this very moment by losing their next two matches, they will have proven all their doubters wrong.

MvP, on the other hand, was seeded into the "Pennant Race" round of the GSTL due to their top 4 performance in the last GSTL. While they won the crown 2 seasons ago, MVP showed a disappointing performance in last season's semi-finals, with DRG notably under-performing and not taking a single game. And while MVP is much less of a one-man team than when they first broke into the scene, they still show a great reliance on their Ace. In last week's match versus Slayers-EG, for instance, even though Sniper got a quick 3-0 lead for the team, no one could take out the solid Protoss player, Puzzle, until MVP somehow found themselves with their backs against the wall, one game away from dropping down to the losers bracket, and were forced to send out DRG. Fortunately for MVP, DRG was able to close it out for the team, but I bet the MVP bench was sweating the entire time.


The Opening Match

(P)FnaticRC Oz <Whirlwind> (P)MvPfinale

The first game in a king-of-the-kill style team match is one of the most important games in the series, if not the most important. It sets the pace of the entire match and gives the winning team a distinct advantage by allowing them to set the tempo.

The big star of the opening match is Fnatic RC's (P)Oz, who was once considered the master of PvP, boasting around an 80% win rate in the match-up in official games. His unique style of PvP, which included expansions before expansions were common in PvP, baffled his opponents and drove them into unfamiliar territory.

But one day, he famously told an interviewer something along the lines of "PvP is all about skill, and if you don't think so, play me and I'll beat you." Since then, many have done just that, challenging Oz to a mirror duel. And since that day, Oz has almost not won a single important series in PvP. With loses to Creator, Squirtle, Parting, MC, Socke, Mana, Alicia, and Grubby in the last two months alone, Oz might be wanting to consider retracting those bold statements. With this upcoming game, Oz will have his recently shaky PvP tested yet again, and this time he's had plenty of time to prepare. This will be another chance for Oz to score his first win in the GSTL, as he has gone 0-2 so far. If Oz does indeed want to prove that PvP is a purely skill-based match-up and that he is a valuable addition to his team, then he better start winning games, starting with this one.

Oz's opponent (P)MvPfinale is obviously the lesser known player in this match, as he has never made it past the round of 32 of Code A in the GSL. However, if you pay attention to key team leagues, you will find that the MVP coach trusts in finale's skills a lot, sending him out much more often than most of his teammates. And Coach Choi's confidence in finale has been well rewarded so far, as finale has averaged a bit more than one kill per match. But truthfully, the real story-line is all about Oz, whether he will overcome this rather generic Protoss and manage win a PvP, or whether he will fail to live up to his bold assertions yet again.

Key Players:

MVP: (Z)Monster, (Z)Sniper, (Z)DongRaeGu

Once upon a time, MVP was known as a team consisting of a core of DRG, Genius, and sC . Now that Genius has officially left the team and sC has been slumping, partly due to health issues, MVP's has had to build a mostly new backbone. In fact, their strongest players these days are all of the same race, coincidentally the race that has been complained about the most recently: Zerg. MVPSniper made Code S this season and garnered three kills in MVP's last GSTL match. MVPMonster has been showing extremely good overseas results, placing high in both Dreamhack Stockholm and MLG Spring Championships, as well as winning GESL. And DongRaeGu is probably better than he's ever been, with his seemingly effortless sweep through the MLG Spring Championships.

As we saw from the MVP's last match versus Slayers-EG, having many strong players from a single race can be extremely beneficial. As Slayers-EG became desperate against the supposedly "easy" Sniper, they were forced to burn good "vs Z maps" against him, such as TvZ on Antiga, and PvZ on Entombed Valley. Then, when it came time for DRG to play, he had all the best maps in the map pool to choose from, greatly assisting in his victory.

Fnatic: (P)Oz, (T)aLive, (Z)ByuL, (Z)Moon

By now, Fnatic's core of key players should be firmly established in our minds. The consistent Code S performers of Oz and aLive are backed up by the Zerg duo of Moon and ByuL. Wait, that's not right. Looking at recent GSTL results, it should be something along the lines of, "The consistent Code B Zerg duo of Moon and ByuL are backed up by the lesser 'Code S' players, Oz and aLive." So far in the GSTL, Fnatic's Zerg lineup has gone 11-5, while the Code S players have gone 2-4. We know that Oz and aLive are capable of a solid number of wins from their previous team-league results in other teams, so it just remains a question of whether they can reproduce these results. Beyond the top four players in Fnatic, the rest of the unproven lineup looks rather bland, with Nightend and Rain showing not only disappointing games in the GSTL, but also builds that didn't seem to have a defined goal or purpose. Fnatic cannot especially rely on these players, so it becomes even more imperative that the Code S players in Fnatic step it up and prove why they are (or were) Code S.

Prediction:

"Zergs, Zergs, Zergs!" seems to be the theme of this season of GSTL, and neither of these teams runs short on good Zerg players. Look for this match to be determined by how well each team can use their Zergs and how well each team can use their Zerg snipers and anti-Zerg maps. Whichever team plays the first Zerg allows their opponents to use Antiga Shipyards and Entombed Valley to snipe them off, so one strategy might be to delay using Zergs until the very last moment. Or you can have your Zerg players prepare especially for the dreaded anti-Zerg maps, hoping to counter the snipers. And if all else fails, ZvZ!

While it's hard to argue against Fnatic's momentum, you have to look at the one team they lost to in their run so far of GSTL. Their weakness was against TSL and their strong Zerg ace in Symbol, who took out almost the entire team. Guess which other team has a strong Zerg ace.

MVP 5- 4 Fnatic






Writer: NrGmonk.
Graphics: Pathy.
Editor: Waxangel.
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Olinim
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4044 Posts
June 28 2012 23:34 GMT
#2
Hope Fnatic can keep their streak going. and it's cool to see moon doing well.
opterown *
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Australia54784 Posts
June 28 2012 23:36 GMT
#3
nice write up! thanks nrgmonk
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agac86
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Peru9 Posts
June 28 2012 23:42 GMT
#4
great write up! go moon!!!
wfire
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25 Posts
June 28 2012 23:42 GMT
#5
This is a different tournament than PAC, right?
GO idrA, TLO, Sheth, ret, DRG, nestea, huK, and day 9
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
June 28 2012 23:48 GMT
#6
On June 29 2012 08:42 wfire wrote:
This is a different tournament than PAC, right?

If you mean IPL TAC, then yes, it's a different tournament. IPL TAC is a mostly online tournament except for finals and has 24 international and Korean teams. GSTL is an entirely offline tournament and has 10 Korean teams.
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RUFinalBoss
Profile Joined May 2012
United States266 Posts
June 28 2012 23:51 GMT
#7
mvp i hope. or nightend all kill
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Khi
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany188 Posts
June 29 2012 00:16 GMT
#8
I guess MVP will win this 5:2. But I'm cheering for Fnatic!! Will be a good match.
"When you want to be successful as bad as you want to breathe, then you'll be successful!"
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 29 2012 00:16 GMT
#9
monk, you're becoming quite a powerful deity amongst teamliquid now haven't you.
First you overtook the strat forums as a banling and now you're writing wonderful previews for TL news.
<333

As much as I love Hwanni....

I gotta cheer...

...for DRG!!
moo...for DRG
dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
June 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#10
come on fnatic you can do it! i hope moon has been practicing zvz..
i love you
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
June 29 2012 00:37 GMT
#11
I would really love to see Fnatic advance
~~~Liquid Fighting (SC2)~~~
spacebob42
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States78 Posts
June 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#12
I'd like to see Moon take this seriously. I think he's got the potential to be a top player in SC2.
Go big or go home.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#13
On June 29 2012 09:47 spacebob42 wrote:
I'd like to see Moon take this seriously. I think he's got the potential to be a top player in SC2.



Moon is the only person in the world right now that can challenge DRG's ridiculous 500-600EMP.
The 5th race sure has potential.
moo...for DRG
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 29 2012 00:52 GMT
#14
On June 29 2012 09:50 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 09:47 spacebob42 wrote:
I'd like to see Moon take this seriously. I think he's got the potential to be a top player in SC2.



Moon is the only person in the world right now that can challenge DRG's ridiculous 500-600EMP.
The 5th race sure has potential.

drg so imba he can use terran spells! hundreds of them, too
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 29 2012 00:55 GMT
#15
On June 29 2012 09:52 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 09:50 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 29 2012 09:47 spacebob42 wrote:
I'd like to see Moon take this seriously. I think he's got the potential to be a top player in SC2.



Moon is the only person in the world right now that can challenge DRG's ridiculous 500-600EMP.
The 5th race sure has potential.

drg so imba he can use terran spells! hundreds of them, too


>_>;;

you know what I meant!!

+ Show Spoiler +
But yes, nerf DRG!
moo...for DRG
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 29 2012 00:59 GMT
#16
Still waiting for my fifth race all kill. Maybe tonight.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
June 29 2012 01:13 GMT
#17
Keen's not a key player? Poor Keen =(

Well I still get that sentiment, but gogo MVP =D
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
June 29 2012 01:32 GMT
#18
On June 29 2012 10:13 bittman wrote:
Keen's not a key player? Poor Keen =(

Well I still get that sentiment, but gogo MVP =D


I agree! Keen's in Code S ro16, seems to be playing pretty well, maybe a little overly "strategic", but getting wins
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 01:42:23
June 29 2012 01:41 GMT
#19
Moon fighting!
Let's go Fnatic!
Edit: Capslock looks... terrible. Sorry.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
SteveWoods
Profile Joined May 2012
United States57 Posts
June 29 2012 01:42 GMT
#20
I don't get the incessant quoting of that statement by Oz. Literally all he said was that if you think PvP is more about luck than skill, then he'll beat you. That quote is entirely irrelevant in the context of losing to those pros, unless unbeknownst to me, one or more of them has been claiming since Oz made that statement that PvP is largely luck-based.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 29 2012 01:52 GMT
#21
On June 29 2012 10:42 SteveWoods wrote:
I don't get the incessant quoting of that statement by Oz. Literally all he said was that if you think PvP is more about luck than skill, then he'll beat you. That quote is entirely irrelevant in the context of losing to those pros, unless unbeknownst to me, one or more of them has been claiming since Oz made that statement that PvP is largely luck-based.

creator has claimed that pvp is his weakest matchup since there's too much luck involved haha
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
June 29 2012 02:22 GMT
#22
^ So has MC.
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 29 2012 02:24 GMT
#23
we need that mothership core....
nao
moo...for DRG
NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
June 29 2012 02:42 GMT
#24
Moon > DRG anyone!?!?!?!?
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 29 2012 02:44 GMT
#25
On June 29 2012 11:42 NOOBALOPSE wrote:
Moon > DRG anyone!?!?!?!?


*slap

not going to happen


moo...for DRG
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 29 2012 03:03 GMT
#26
On June 29 2012 11:44 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:42 NOOBALOPSE wrote:
Moon > DRG anyone!?!?!?!?


*slap

not going to happen




Anything is possible in a best of one...especially ZvZ.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
June 29 2012 03:03 GMT
#27
On June 29 2012 11:44 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:42 NOOBALOPSE wrote:
Moon > DRG anyone!?!?!?!?


*slap

not going to happen


That's what the faithless said vs MKP.

Never count out the Fifth Race.
#freeshauni
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 03:08:42
June 29 2012 03:08 GMT
#28
On June 29 2012 12:03 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:44 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:42 NOOBALOPSE wrote:
Moon > DRG anyone!?!?!?!?


*slap

not going to happen


That's what the faithless said vs MKP.

Never count out the Fifth Race.



You realize....
DRG's zvz winrate....
is like 80+ % and is his best matchup overall


whereas the 5th race is only at 50%

StarCraft only has 3 races, yo...
moo...for DRG
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 29 2012 04:46 GMT
#29
During his first match, Nightend was suffering from a staph infection that eventually required him to be hospitalised, so I don't think it's exactly fair to say he showed a disappointing game and thus that's how he'll probably be again if he plays tonight.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 29 2012 04:56 GMT
#30
I don't feel this article gives the zerg players enough credit.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 29 2012 05:21 GMT
#31
I want to see Rain > DRG with a 2 rax
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 29 2012 05:43 GMT
#32
On June 29 2012 14:21 Dodgin wrote:
I want to see Rain > DRG with a 2 rax



you monster!
moo...for DRG
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
June 29 2012 06:40 GMT
#33
moon with the all kill!
IM & EG supporter
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
June 29 2012 07:50 GMT
#34
guys i tell you , i saw mvp finale stream , and i saw him vs startale_hack , if he plays the same as he played the game i saw on stream , it will EASYY allkill , and im seriously . this guy speed and decision making are top top !
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
good5321
Profile Joined June 2012
20 Posts
June 29 2012 07:54 GMT
#35
--- Nuked ---
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 29 2012 08:37 GMT
#36
On June 29 2012 14:21 Dodgin wrote:
I want to see Rain > DRG with a 2 rax



DRG crushes 2 rax almost 100% of the time, and the other 90% of the time it doesn't work against other zergs so no chance there :D
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JimmyHollow
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom249 Posts
June 29 2012 08:42 GMT
#37
On June 29 2012 14:21 Dodgin wrote:
I want to see Rain > DRG with a 2 rax


Haha that would be fun to watch
hyperknight
Profile Joined May 2011
294 Posts
June 29 2012 08:55 GMT
#38
gogo fnatic!

Still hoping to see the 5th race all-kill =D
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 29 2012 08:56 GMT
#39
On June 29 2012 17:37 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 14:21 Dodgin wrote:
I want to see Rain > DRG with a 2 rax



DRG crushes 2 rax almost 100% of the time, and the other 90% of the time it doesn't work against other zergs so no chance there :D


DRG lost to 2 rax in IPL TAC today though to IMHappy
Szabe
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary16 Posts
June 29 2012 09:28 GMT
#40
Oz has never actually lost a series vs MC
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
June 29 2012 12:14 GMT
#41
On June 29 2012 17:42 JimmyHollow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 14:21 Dodgin wrote:
I want to see Rain > DRG with a 2 rax


Haha that would be fun to watch


The LR would go up in flames.
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 29 2012 12:22 GMT
#42
On June 29 2012 17:56 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 17:37 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On June 29 2012 14:21 Dodgin wrote:
I want to see Rain > DRG with a 2 rax



DRG crushes 2 rax almost 100% of the time, and the other 90% of the time it doesn't work against other zergs so no chance there :D


DRG lost to 2 rax in IPL TAC today though to IMHappy


Ah I missed the game, well still he hardly loses to 2 rax, it's very risky.
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Terribadie
Profile Joined April 2012
8 Posts
June 29 2012 12:58 GMT
#43
Is this moon, the NE player from WC3??
SamuraiSEA
Profile Joined June 2012
Japan89 Posts
June 29 2012 13:09 GMT
#44
Am really interested in seeing how this turns out. Looking forward to Moon ^^
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 13:45:27
June 29 2012 13:45 GMT
#45
There's a typo on the frontpage image advertisement for this article.. or just below it in the text. Forgot to put the word "against" in there after "up" and before "super".

On June 29 2012 21:58 Terribadie wrote:
Is this moon, the NE player from WC3??


Yes
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
June 29 2012 15:04 GMT
#46
On June 29 2012 18:28 Szabe wrote:
Oz has never actually lost a series vs MC

MLG Spring Championships, yo
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Terribadie
Profile Joined April 2012
8 Posts
June 29 2012 15:25 GMT
#47

Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 21:58 Terribadie wrote:
Is this moon, the NE player from WC3??


Yes


Wow, so we got Moon and Grubby...all we need now is Sky! haha

I remember playing against some NA pros, Yane, Acid, etc...but none of them came to sc2 apparently. At least some of the Europe/Asia WC3 players are making a splash. I'm always rooting for fellow WC3 comp players to do well!

I am rooting for Fnatic, it'd be cool to see a company that supports e-sports so much to do well in SC2. They've dominated Heroes of Newerth for quite some time.
_switch
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia9 Posts
June 29 2012 16:07 GMT
#48
DRG how i love u

MVP all the way
liquid rising
sooch
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada299 Posts
June 29 2012 16:14 GMT
#49
Nice writeup monkymonk ^^
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 29 2012 16:44 GMT
#50
as wonderful as this preview was to read, I think one part is inaccurate:

As we saw from the MVP's last match versus Slayers-EG, having many strong players from a single race can be extremely beneficial. As Slayers-EG became desperate against the supposedly "easy" Sniper, they were forced to burn good "vs Z maps" against him, such as TvZ on Antiga, and PvZ on Entombed Valley. Then, when it came time for DRG to play, he had all the best maps in the map pool to choose from, greatly assisting in his victory.


DRG's final match against Puzzle WAS on Antiga....
moo...for DRG
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
June 29 2012 19:02 GMT
#51
Who won? (Spoiler)
FoTG fighting!
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 29 2012 19:04 GMT
#52
On June 30 2012 04:02 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Who won? (Spoiler)


team DRG did.
moo...for DRG
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