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Code S RO32: Group C Recap


By: Waxangel


Results from Live Report Thread by opterown.
+ Show Spoiler [Results] +
Squirtle vs. ThorZaIN
(P)Squirtle <Metropolis> (T)ThorZaIN
(P)Squirtle <Antiga Shipyard> (T)ThorZaIN
(P)Squirtle <> (T)ThorZaIN

(P)Squirtle wins 2-0!

Keen vs. GuMiho
(T)Keen <Entombed Valley> (T)GuMiho
(T)Keen <Cloud Kingdom> (T)GuMiho
(T)Keen <Metropolis> (T)GuMiho

(T)Keen wins 2-1!

Winners' Match
(P)Squirtle <Daybreak> (T)Keen
(P)Squirtle <Entombed Valley> (T)Keen
(P)Squirtle <Metropolis> (T)Keen

(T)Keen wins 2-1!

Losers' Match
(T)ThorZaIN <Daybreak> (T)GuMiho
(T)ThorZaIN <Antiga Shipyard> (T)GuMiho
(T)ThorZaIN <Entombed Valley> (T)GuMiho

(T)ThorZaIN wins 2-1!

Final Match
(P)Squirtle <Whirlwind> (T)ThorZaIN
(P)Squirtle <Antiga Shipyard> (T)ThorZaIN
(P)Squirtle <> (T)ThorZaIN

(P)Squirtle wins 2-0!



(T)Keen and (P)Squirtle move onto Code S RO16!
(T)GuMiho drops to Code A RO48. (T)ThorZaIN drops to Code A Ro36


Tried and True
– Keen defeats Squirtle with consecutive proxy-barracks rushes to advance to the RO16


They say that if you can't learn from the past, you're doomed to repeat it. It's a saying Squirtle should have taken to heart, as he could have avoided reliving the most painful defeat of his career. In a near repeat of game seven of the Code S Season Two finals, Squirtle was faced with a proxy 11/11 barracks all-in, held it off with almost perfect micro, and then threw the game away after moving out too quickly against his opponent's follow-up all-in. Then, he lost to the same strategy again.

Fortunately for Squirtle, the stakes were much lower this time around. His opponent was MvP.Keen in the Code S RO32 winners' match, and while the defeat meant Squirtle lost a chance to advance as the first place player in his group, he was still able advance by defeating ThorZaIN in the final match of the night.

"I haven't been able to bring myself to watch game seven yet." said Squirtle during the post-match press interview. "It's a hard strategy to stop... ...I think I'm particularly bad at stopping it."

For Keen, there was no devious motive in reviving his opponent's most painful memories. After dropping the first set to Squirtle in a macro-game on Daybreak, he adopted a purely utilitarian mindset: "After losing the first game, I thought Squirtle was better than me. So I gambled." The decision to use the strategy twice in a row had a similarly simple explanation "It worked in the second set, so I used it again."

Jävla Protoss
– ThorZaIN impresses against Gumiho but drops four sets to Squirtle in third place finish


With less than a day to prepare, jet-lag working against him, and not enough time to even familiarize himself with the new GSL maps, the deck was heavily stacked against ThorZaIN in his Code S debut. Yet, ThorZaIN managed to make the best of a bad situation, surpassing (albeit, low) expectations to finish as third place in his group.

ThorZaIN faced Squirtle in his first and final matches, where the Startale Protoss brutally dominated the Dreamhack champion with four different strategies including his famed "Squirtle" colossus timing. However, in between two tough series losses, ThorZaIN found the time to impress the Korean viewers as well.

Going up against Gumiho, a previous Code S semi-finalist in the losers' match, ThorZaIN came back from a 0 – 1 deficit to win in three sets. ThorZaIN even managed to put his own particular style stamp on the series, winning the final set with battlecruisers after thirty minutes, an impressive amount of time to drag out a game where he took an enormous lead with an early 4-barracks attack.

By finishing in third place, ThorZaIN now starts off in the second round of Code A, and has a guaranteed spot in the Up/Down matches for Season Four.

Game of the Night: Keen vs Gumiho – Game Two – Cloud Kingdom

In the hands of entertaining players like TSL_Symbol and NSH_Freaky in the GSTL, ZvZ has been making a good case to become the new 'best mirror' of Starcraft II. However, Gumiho hit back for the reigning champions, showing why GomTvT still reigns supreme.

Using the mobility of vikings and hellions to constantly attack and harass Keen, Gumiho produced yet another one of his trademark games where everything broke down and chaos reigned supreme. Gumiho showed that you can turn the standard mech paradigm of safe and slow on its head, and that when you do so, it can produce some fantastically entertaining results.

Code S RO32: Group D Preview


By: Waxangel

(T)LG-IMMvp, (Z)ZeNEXSuhosin, (T)LG-IMHappy, (P)Genius

Finally, the defending champion is back in action. (T)LG-IMMvp has started to resemble a superstar prizefighter, a competitor who chooses his fights and opponents carefully, distancing himself from taking needless risks lest he tarnish his image. For Mvp, less is truly more – and as long as he keeps winning championships, no one can really blame him for taking this approach.

I'm going to agree with NaNiwa here: Mvp is no longer the most skilled player in the world. However, his wealth of experience, deviousness in mindgames, and ability to play even better under pressure make him the very best player. His match against Squirtle in the Code S finals was like the legendary bout between Muhammad Ali and George Foreman, where an older, physically dominated Ali won through a combination of grit and intelligence.

Alright, onto the group. While I've made a personal promise to never, ever doubt Mvp again – this is one of those groups where I would have picked him to advance, even if I were not a born again Mvp-tian.

Let's look at his first opponent, (Z)ZeNEXSuhosin (previously known as ZeNEXLine). Suhosin is an unremarkable, good player, who's probably going to end up being this tournament's BBoongBBoongPrime. For those of you who don't remember, the very competent, unremarkable B4Prime combined decent play with some luck in the Up/Down matches and made it to Code S last season. Previous finalist Genius immediately realized that B4 was one of the weakest of the 32 players in the tournament and shrewdly picked him as his first opponent, taking an easy victory in the first match.

When you think about how Suhosin plays in the GSTL and Code A, it wasn't completely out of the question that he would make Code S again one day... but he would need to play at his highest level, and also get a bit lucky in terms of other players' match results. All of that happened for Suhosin in his Up/Down group, and he advanced after defeating Polt and Vines in some tight tie-breakers. Obviously, Mvp wasn't impressed, as he picked Suhosin as his first opponent.

The complicating factor here is that Mvp picked Suhosin before the full implications of the Queen range buff became apparent in ZvT. Zergs have prioritized creep spreading and figured out how to take their thirds both safely and greedily, causing a veritable downpour of Terran tears. However, since I have "don't doubt Mvp" tattooed on the back of my hand (for maximum visibility when typing dumb predictions), I'm just going to say that Mvp will win anyway, and the ZvT problem is more of an issue for...

...(T)LG-IMHappy, a guy who we used to call Mini-Mvp before we figured out that comparing anyone to Mvp is pretty much sacrilege. Happy was briefly lost when we reshuffled the Terran deck and discarded most of the redundant cards, but he's looking good again these days. His TvZ hasn't been so hot, but then again, a lot of people seem to say that's the new problem match-up in this game. His TvT, on the other hand, has been quite impressive, and he's used interesting bio-mech into full mech strategies to defeat both Ryung and fOrGG in Code A. However, those two were players on different teams, and it will be much harder to try to innovate against a fellow LG-IM teammate in Mvp. Of course, TvT and TvZ are things he can worry about later, because he first has to get through...

...MvP.Genius. Well, not anymore. Genius recently removed the "MvP" tag from his twitter, a 100% indicator so far in Starcraft II that someone has indeed, left his team. Strangely enough, I don't think it influences this group at all. The former oGs guys (TheStC, HerO, fOrGG, Jookto, Vines) all suffered from losing their team, teamhouse, and practice environment, but that's because they were more or less, standard Korean progamers. If anything, that's what Genius is the furthest from. Genius has always been an odd-ball; a lazy, talented player who found a way to cleverly (or infuriatingly, depending on your point of view) stay in Code S at all costs. Happy has the longest average game time of any GSL player, and Genius has a ridiculous win-rate in games over 25 minutes. It's not to hard to envision a scenario where he manages to hold out until 200/200 and defeats Happy, in spite of the LG-IM Terran's careful preparations.

Overall outlook and prediction

The major takeaway from the previous Code S was to stop doubting guys who know how to win. For Mvp, that rule applies up to the grand finals, while for Genius, it's usually relevant until around the RO16 at least. Happy and Suhosin are good players, but just not good enough that you'd ever want to pick them over proven winners in Code S.

Mvp > Suhosin
Genius > Happy
Mvp> Genius
Suhosin > Happy
Genius > Suhosin

Mvp and Genius advance.





















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vinsky
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland48 Posts
June 13 2012 23:20 GMT
#2
gogo mvp, show them how to own
Nerchio - MVP - Mana - MKP | Flash
BraneSC2
Profile Joined May 2010
United States123 Posts
June 13 2012 23:26 GMT
#3
I bet the mothership core will shut down cheeses very hard. I'm very curious how it's going to workout, because it seems like one of the more interesting new mechanics.
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ZealotSensei
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark70 Posts
June 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#4
Looking forward to tommorow, I hope genious and mvp get to play each other, that would be an epic match :D
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Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
June 13 2012 23:39 GMT
#5
Predicting MVP and genius, but wouldn't mind line or happy either.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
June 13 2012 23:43 GMT
#6
I learned a long time ago that betting against MVP is a bad way to go
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 13 2012 23:58 GMT
#7
I think DRG is currently the most " skilled " player, we'll see if that can carry him to 2011 Mvp-like dominance for the rest of this year.
sicueft
Profile Joined June 2012
United States130 Posts
June 14 2012 00:05 GMT
#8
When can we expect to get a translation of the winner's interviews? It would be nice to read them.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
June 14 2012 00:07 GMT
#9
On June 14 2012 08:26 BraneSC2 wrote:
I bet the mothership core will shut down cheeses very hard. I'm very curious how it's going to workout, because it seems like one of the more interesting new mechanics.

uh wrong thread?
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 14 2012 00:33 GMT
#10
I think line can pull out second place here.

On June 14 2012 08:26 BraneSC2 wrote:
I bet the mothership core will shut down cheeses very hard. I'm very curious how it's going to workout, because it seems like one of the more interesting new mechanics.

6 months early?
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vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
June 14 2012 00:41 GMT
#11
On June 14 2012 08:58 Dodgin wrote:
I think DRG is currently the most " skilled " player, we'll see if that can carry him to 2011 Mvp-like dominance for the rest of this year.

Doubt it. There are many zergs capable of displaying the skill of DRG. Symbol, Leenock, etc all had their moments. No one can play like MKP.
Marines > everything
jiberish
Profile Joined April 2011
80 Posts
June 14 2012 01:00 GMT
#12
" I don't it influences this group at all"


I wonder if genius is doing his military service?
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
June 14 2012 01:38 GMT
#13
Any one else miss when MVP was the king ? I do and I am a Zerg player
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 14 2012 01:41 GMT
#14
On June 14 2012 10:38 ShakAttaK wrote:
Any one else miss when MVP was the king ? I do and I am a Zerg player


still the king and will be until someone matches him in GSL trophies
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
June 14 2012 02:24 GMT
#15
Poor Thorzain, having to face Squirtle twice ... Hope he does well in code A!
hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
June 14 2012 02:34 GMT
#16
Can anyone translate the interview @ http://leveltory.com/10334 ?

Google does a terrible job with sc words.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
June 14 2012 02:50 GMT
#17
Mvp and Happy to make it through, gogogo!

And for the record, Mvp is still, to my mind, the most skilled player in the world. He just suffers a bad case of exploding wrists.
Long live the King of Wings
Smoodish
Profile Joined April 2011
United States95 Posts
June 14 2012 03:34 GMT
#18
On June 14 2012 08:13 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Strangely enough, I don't it influences this group at all.


Small error! Otherwise great write-up!
Also, I really like your George Foreman vs. Muhammad Ali reference.
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
June 14 2012 03:37 GMT
#19
haha oh keen. you smart silly goose finding the weakness of your opponent.
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
June 14 2012 03:54 GMT
#20
On June 14 2012 09:41 vnlegend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 08:58 Dodgin wrote:
I think DRG is currently the most " skilled " player, we'll see if that can carry him to 2011 Mvp-like dominance for the rest of this year.

Doubt it. There are many zergs capable of displaying the skill of DRG. Symbol, Leenock, etc all had their moments. No one can play like MKP.


Ah fans

Skill alone only get's you so far. So "skilled" as it would be is a lesser thing if you do not have the right mindset of a champion. MVP is the man to beat, because he mastered it like no other, no micro of MKP is going to beat that.
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
June 14 2012 03:58 GMT
#21
Mvp, DRG, MKP, Symbol and Leenock are the players with high skills
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fer
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada375 Posts
June 14 2012 04:05 GMT
#22
Mvp > MKP. Come on people, MKP can't even win a GSL. Mvp won it last season against all sorts of odds. I think it'd be silly to say an MLG weekend arena > GSL Code S.
WellPlayed.org <3
theolysis
Profile Joined May 2012
United States107 Posts
June 14 2012 04:10 GMT
#23
On June 14 2012 11:50 LimitSEA wrote:
Mvp and Happy to make it through, gogogo!

And for the record, Mvp is still, to my mind, the most skilled player in the world. He just suffers a bad case of exploding wrists.

I hate it when my wrists explode!

Don't get me wrong, I think MKP is an excellent player and I've been an MKP fanboy ever since his GSL debut, but does he have what it takes to be a champion player like Mvp? At the moment, I'd have to say no.
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 04:30:58
June 14 2012 04:29 GMT
#24
Only thing MKP is better than MVP is micro. Strategic thinking,decision making,ability to keep his cool, all of this are part of skill that MVP is far better than MKP. I would say MVP is more skilled player.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 14 2012 04:50 GMT
#25
On June 14 2012 13:29 Wildmoon wrote:
Only thing MKP is better than MVP is micro. Strategic thinking,decision making,ability to keep his cool, all of this are part of skill that MVP is far better than MKP. I would say MVP is more skilled player.

mkp macro is heaps impressive. he also has more builds (especially of late)
'skill' is difficult to quantify.
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NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
June 14 2012 05:43 GMT
#26
Mvp and Line. Don't count out a zerg these days.
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
June 14 2012 06:25 GMT
#27
Jävla Protoss ftw lol

Still somewhat annoyed at Keen for the way he played, but at least Squirtle got through anyway, so I guess it's okay, just bothers me that Thorzain might have had a chance to advance as well otherwise.

As far as today's games goes, Mvp/Genius seems like the obvious choice, and I agree with that, although I would love to see Mvp get knocked out, as the GSL is somehow more interesting without him. I want new blood fighting it out
Tibbroar
Profile Joined June 2011
United States161 Posts
June 14 2012 07:17 GMT
#28
On June 14 2012 15:25 HaXXspetten wrote:
Jävla Protoss ftw lol

Still somewhat annoyed at Keen for the way he played, but at least Squirtle got through anyway, so I guess it's okay, just bothers me that Thorzain might have had a chance to advance as well otherwise.

As far as today's games goes, Mvp/Genius seems like the obvious choice, and I agree with that, although I would love to see Mvp get knocked out, as the GSL is somehow more interesting without him. I want new blood fighting it out


You're annoyed at Keen because he played better than Squirtle...?
I will always believe in the fallen king.
Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
June 14 2012 07:57 GMT
#29
On June 14 2012 16:17 Tibbroar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 15:25 HaXXspetten wrote:
Jävla Protoss ftw lol

Still somewhat annoyed at Keen for the way he played, but at least Squirtle got through anyway, so I guess it's okay, just bothers me that Thorzain might have had a chance to advance as well otherwise.

As far as today's games goes, Mvp/Genius seems like the obvious choice, and I agree with that, although I would love to see Mvp get knocked out, as the GSL is somehow more interesting without him. I want new blood fighting it out


You're annoyed at Keen because he played better than Squirtle...?


You're cute.
Spiner
Profile Joined February 2011
United States360 Posts
June 14 2012 08:31 GMT
#30
On June 14 2012 08:58 Dodgin wrote:
I think DRG is currently the most " skilled " player, we'll see if that can carry him to 2011 Mvp-like dominance for the rest of this year.


Why is DRG considered more "skilled" than MVP?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 08:34:15
June 14 2012 08:33 GMT
#31
On June 14 2012 17:31 Spiner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 08:58 Dodgin wrote:
I think DRG is currently the most " skilled " player, we'll see if that can carry him to 2011 Mvp-like dominance for the rest of this year.


Why is DRG considered more "skilled" than MVP?


Because of Mvp's injury, until he fixes that he's not playing at maximum potential.

Even ignoring that, DRG might be better. It has not been proven yet but It's just a feeling I'm getting. We'll find out as the rest of the year goes on.
CursivE
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia317 Posts
June 14 2012 08:57 GMT
#32
On June 14 2012 13:29 Wildmoon wrote:
Only thing MKP is better than MVP is micro. Strategic thinking,decision making,ability to keep his cool, all of this are part of skill that MVP is far better than MKP. I would say MVP is more skilled player.


This 100%

I'd say MVP is more skilled, however MKP is more talented. MKP has the potential to be as good as MVP one day, but at the moment it's only that.
MC || HuK || MMA || Squirtle || TLO || Sea || HerO || MarineKing || MVP || NesTea
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 10:05:03
June 14 2012 10:03 GMT
#33
On June 14 2012 17:31 Spiner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 08:58 Dodgin wrote:
I think DRG is currently the most " skilled " player, we'll see if that can carry him to 2011 Mvp-like dominance for the rest of this year.


Why is DRG considered more "skilled" than MVP?


DRG is definitely the best zerg, and is in competition with MVP for best player his 2012/end of 2011 was quite fantastic so far and has shown skill to that of MVP, however atm MVP has more skill .. I think.
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TheCupholder
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada58 Posts
June 14 2012 10:48 GMT
#34
Lol before watching those games i was not a keen fan.... after those games I am REALLY not a keen fan!!
<3 :) GO: HUK LEENOCK PARTING SEED SQUIRTLE :)
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
June 14 2012 11:19 GMT
#35
such a bad luck for Thorzain. If only he had taken Keen he would have a better shot
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
eMGmoG
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland244 Posts
June 14 2012 12:56 GMT
#36
game knowledge and decision making, mvp is so damn huge at it. baserace decision vs happy and the build in the 2nd game, just to name the latest.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
June 14 2012 15:14 GMT
#37
On June 14 2012 12:58 winthrop wrote:
Mvp, DRG, MKP, Symbol and Leenock are the players with high skills

What's that supposed to mean exactly?
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
June 15 2012 19:37 GMT
#38
This title made me think of Catz...

In any case, not too surprised with the results, Line and happy are decent upcomers (well... sorta, they've been around forever... Resurgent is probably the better word) but I knew they couldn't overwhelm the consistency of Genius + MVP.
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TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
June 16 2012 00:43 GMT
#39
Gogo MVP!
I believe in you.
5th GSL title awaits.
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
June 16 2012 12:13 GMT
#40
Great, can we expect another rax timing nerf after this proxy rax strat in TvP has been showcased a few times? 10 seconds longer to build rax lol... wouldnt put it past blizz
whetherby
Profile Joined May 2010
United States53 Posts
June 16 2012 17:02 GMT
#41
where has mvp been?
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 21:42:57
June 16 2012 21:42 GMT
#42
Are Peops in here srsly complaining about if MVP is better than MKP? Dudes, get real...MKP is really, really good but if you compare all points MVP is way ahead...even if you dont wanna see this reality just look at their accomplishements and how they reached them and MVP is outta space.

One of the few Players that makes me having fun watch SC2-pro matches this days ...

PS: MKP will get there, sooner or later. But actually he is not really close to MVP's level of play
Xinflames
Profile Joined August 2011
United States17 Posts
June 16 2012 22:12 GMT
#43
After dropping the first set to Squirtle in a macro-game on Daybreak, he adopted a purely utilitarian mindset


Incorrect use of use of the tern "utilitarian" but otherwise excellent write up
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Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
June 20 2012 21:45 GMT
#44
IM MVP in post-match press interview said he wants MKP in his group in RO16, I think that makes Group A the group of death, no matter who are the other 2 players in it.
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