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Flobby
Profile Joined January 2012
Hong Kong58 Posts
May 20 2012 13:41 GMT
#221
wow really well written and designed article
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
May 20 2012 14:12 GMT
#222
well that was a disgustingly lopsided day of pro(toss)league.

BW games sucked (except mini's comeback) and SC2 games.were plainly horrid (except for Flash vs EffOrt that i somewhat found interesting).
Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
May 20 2012 14:18 GMT
#223
On May 20 2012 23:12 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
well that was a disgustingly lopsided day of pro(toss)league.

BW games sucked (except mini's comeback) and SC2 games.were plainly horrid (except for Flash vs EffOrt that i somewhat found interesting).


Yeah because they clearly practiced SC2 for 2 plus years, oh wait...
Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
May 20 2012 14:20 GMT
#224
I really liked the first sc2 match, it was a pvp between Best and someone else. Not sure if it would work with the seasoned pros but I really liked the WP double immo dropped then warped in zlots in front so his opponent's zlots could not get to his immos. well played best!!!

I can tell best is gonna become a beast in time!!!
Kontys
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland659 Posts
May 20 2012 14:31 GMT
#225
Effort and Motive played good games, Best was getting owned in PvP, but his opponent broke the contain way early out of confusion.

Flash, like the sc2 content in general, was somewhat unconvincing, but this is the season from hell for these players.. mistakes and apparent poor play ought to just be forgiven on the spot. (Having to train 2 games at once?? Pure madness)

One thing that was striking in these games was how very precisely everything was managed. It wasn't the most brainy SC2, or the most strategically complex SC2 ever played, but damn, they were trying hard to play their best.
Arghnews
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 16:18:19
May 20 2012 15:01 GMT
#226
HOYL FUCKING SHIT IT'S REALLY HAPPENING.

:DDDD So happy, can't wait to see the SC1 pros in a year or so in SC2.



Flash v Effort, and look at their macro. They never miss a beat, cept I think at the end Flash does and he needs to add more raxes, but for 98% of the game both of them, phenomenal play. Can't wait to see these guys with time :D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Ya, I think you're right, more tanks but also I think he could of supported a few more raxes. He started making thors to deal with the mutas at the end and that was a mistake Needed dem tanks
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 15:33:41
May 20 2012 15:31 GMT
#227
On May 21 2012 00:01 Arghnews wrote:
HOYL FUCKING SHIT IT'S REALLY HAPPENING.

:DDDD So happy, can't wait to see the SC1 pros in a year or so in SC2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsMRfislvQE

Flash v Effort, and look at their macro. They never miss a beat, cept I think at the end Flash does and he needs to add more raxes, but for 98% of the game both of them, phenomenal play. Can't wait to see these guys with time :D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure if Flash needed more raxes, he might have, but his biggest misstake was not getting enough tanks. Tanks are the key to zerg wave play. He could probably afforded to have put down 4-6 bunkers at the front as well.

Still though, that match was actually really nice, which isn't something that could be said about most of the other matches.

Also, how much I'd even want to join the protoss imba train, this is at least no show of that, it simply shows that terrans needs to know how to do TvP endgame to have a chance, meanwhile PvT endgame is really straightforward and thus maybe more easy to learn.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
May 20 2012 15:41 GMT
#228
Great write-up SPL team!
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4126 Posts
May 20 2012 15:46 GMT
#229
Awesome article!!!
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
May 20 2012 16:26 GMT
#230
On May 20 2012 23:18 Bareleon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 23:12 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
well that was a disgustingly lopsided day of pro(toss)league.

BW games sucked (except mini's comeback) and SC2 games.were plainly horrid (except for Flash vs EffOrt that i somewhat found interesting).


Yeah because they clearly practiced SC2 for 2 plus years, oh wait...


didn't say it was abnormal that the SC2 games were horrid. i was just stating a fact.
Woj
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States133 Posts
May 20 2012 16:40 GMT
#231
So funny to see the mass shift of new players to Protoss haha
Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
May 20 2012 16:41 GMT
#232
On May 21 2012 01:26 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 23:18 Bareleon wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:12 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
well that was a disgustingly lopsided day of pro(toss)league.

BW games sucked (except mini's comeback) and SC2 games.were plainly horrid (except for Flash vs EffOrt that i somewhat found interesting).


Yeah because they clearly practiced SC2 for 2 plus years, oh wait...


didn't say it was abnormal that the SC2 games were horrid. i was just stating a fact.


Saying BW "sucked" is pretty much also saying they were horrid as well.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
May 20 2012 16:44 GMT
#233
On May 21 2012 00:31 Theovide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 00:01 Arghnews wrote:
HOYL FUCKING SHIT IT'S REALLY HAPPENING.

:DDDD So happy, can't wait to see the SC1 pros in a year or so in SC2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsMRfislvQE

Flash v Effort, and look at their macro. They never miss a beat, cept I think at the end Flash does and he needs to add more raxes, but for 98% of the game both of them, phenomenal play. Can't wait to see these guys with time :D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure if Flash needed more raxes, he might have, but his biggest misstake was not getting enough tanks. Tanks are the key to zerg wave play. He could probably afforded to have put down 4-6 bunkers at the front as well.

Still though, that match was actually really nice, which isn't something that could be said about most of the other matches.

Also, how much I'd even want to join the protoss imba train, this is at least no show of that, it simply shows that terrans needs to know how to do TvP endgame to have a chance, meanwhile PvT endgame is really straightforward and thus maybe more easy to learn.


He tried to out macro Effort and that simply isn't feasible in TvZ unless you got for the Factory All-in before Broodlords. He went for a marine opening and didn't know how to exploit it and lost.
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The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
May 20 2012 16:48 GMT
#234
Never watched the SPL. Where can I see these games? Many thanks.
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TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
May 20 2012 16:49 GMT
#235
Awesome write up I had a blast watching the Pro League last night! Being able to watch both BW and SC2 in the same tournament was so entertaining! :D
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Dr_Jones
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway252 Posts
May 20 2012 16:52 GMT
#236
Well, at least the openings weren't your standard helion FE vs 3 queen spine build... I'm not too worried about the elephant in the room just yet
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CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
May 20 2012 17:01 GMT
#237
This league is super fun to watch. Even though they suck at sc2 still, I think it's going to be fun to see them improve at a rapid rate and watch the little elephants grow up until they're GSL material And in the meantime, I love watching bw <3
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 17:17:24
May 20 2012 17:04 GMT
#238
What a great read! I commend the coverage team for trying to bring both BW and SC2 fans together in line with recent developments in Korea. For me it was a good brush-up on things I already knew but didn't go into too deep before.

During the Proleague broadcast today I enjoyed reading through the BW LR threads and seeing BW fans' reactions to their idols playing SC2 for the first time. It was great to see the occasional surprised epiphany and in general positive reactions to some of the units and strats being used in SC2. It was also great to see how genuine questions from BW fans about certain aspects of SC2 (i.e. what an "archon toilet" is) were properly explained whenever they popped up.

It goes without saying that BW players currently have a hard time to practice for two games at the same time and that there has not been much time yet to prepare for SC2. This is the reason why some of the SC2 play we saw today was not as refined yet as it could be and reminded some SC2 fans of play seen many months ago in SC2 leagues. That was to be expected and is actually quite interesting to see. And given more time, I'm sure the quality of games will rise considerably. Patience is advised.

What makes this new-format Proleague even more interesting -- and that is something I myself haven't really paid much attention to before reading this great post -- is indeed the unique challenges the coaching staff is facing, especially regarding the rule that players must alternate in playing BW and SC2. I look forward to seeing how BW players will develop in playing SC2 and how this season will play out. It definitely will give some previously underappreciated players a new chance to shine.

Thanks again for this great article!


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mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
May 20 2012 17:58 GMT
#239
Is it just me or do the players from Samsung Khan look way older than the rest?

Great article btw! Did you have some of the SC2 article makers help or did the article writers already know what they wrote themselves?
xO.Thunder
Profile Joined April 2012
United States37 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 19:44:14
May 20 2012 19:44 GMT
#240
It was really interesting to see the bw playing sc2.

They obviously are looking to current pro's for inspiration, I did notice that they rarely skip a beat when it comes to macro, it seems only their decision making needs work. But of course that takes time !

I can't wait for Bisu come out, and more play from Best !
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