sorry, cos its obviosu you put alot of time and effort into this but i absolutely hated the "story" report, i read the first report and just looked down at the result... seriously how could anyone enjoy this

youd be far better off just doing it normal style.... the osl final is not the time to experiment

Andas_007

Romania1 Post

November 09 2005 17:01 GMT

#44

My god ! Best Battle Report I ever read in 7 years..... GRATZ !!!

NoName

United States1558 Posts

November 09 2005 19:30 GMT

#45

On November 10 2005 00:18 scrapperdog wrote:
Well you asked ... I hated the report. Having to wade through all that crap in order to follow the game action sucked.

you can read the live game thread for that

Manifesto7

Osaka27174 Posts

November 09 2005 20:06 GMT

#46

On November 10 2005 01:47 x2fst wrote:
sorry, cos its obviosu you put alot of time and effort into this but i absolutely hated the "story" report, i read the first report and just looked down at the result... seriously how could anyone enjoy this

youd be far better off just doing it normal style.... the osl final is not the time to experiment

Yeah, I thought a lot about that before putting paper to pen, the fact that this was the finals. However, in reality, this OSL finals was a real let down. The score may have been 3:2, but Boxer won two games because of A) an unscouted vulture mine trap, and B) Anytime's expanding arrogance in the face of a turtling terran. The other three games were pretty much rape by Anytime.

So, how does one make a lousy OSL finals interesting? Maybe this isn't the answer, but a traditional battle report on lousy games makes for a lousy report. I still put all the relevent information about the games in the story. Hell, that's what drove the plot. But, it is just in a different format than normal. This wont become the norm, beleive me. I have to sleep. But, a change of pace never killed anyone.

Hwoarang

Korea (South)235 Posts

November 09 2005 20:18 GMT

#47

That was such a good read, even better than watching the VODs themselves

Mani has got to be one of the greatest writers of all time ever... EVER !

MaTRiX[SiN]

Sweden1282 Posts

November 09 2005 20:50 GMT

#48

I loved this report, possibly the best I ever read.

x2fst

1272 Posts

November 09 2005 22:04 GMT

#49

On November 10 2005 05:06 Manifesto7 wrote:

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Ok fair enough, but what I look for in the battlereports (that i consider the 'trademark' of this site) is not only a report but strategical analysis, I think the format you used was lacking in that area. I think if you comprimised the 'story' aspect of the report in favour of more focuss on the build etc then it would be a more interesting report, I mean I read these reports because im interested in the game of starcraft, not because im looking for entertainment, you know what I mean?
I think you could make the report more interesting by concentrating on the specific reactions of the players in the game (eg "oh the seat was running down boxers face...." or whatever) than making up a largely fictional story that is only loosely focussed on the stratigical aspect of the game.

Just my humble opinion;)

Ekii

Poland346 Posts

November 09 2005 23:57 GMT

#50

wowowow

Szelkye

United States18 Posts

November 10 2005 01:48 GMT

#51

When starting to read the report, it was hard to follow but then I got used to the style and it got a little easier. In the end, watching the vods disappointed me since the report made the games sound hell of interesting and in reality it the games seemed very one sided. (not so when reading).

MaGnIfIcA

Norway2312 Posts

November 10 2005 02:27 GMT

#52

Woah, great work on the report mani!

Sunce

Poland111 Posts

November 10 2005 04:10 GMT

#53

awesome report indeed! I almost felt the protoss magic

skindzer

Chile5114 Posts

November 10 2005 04:37 GMT

#54

Marry me <3

JK, awesome report.

westvolk

United States29 Posts

November 10 2005 10:35 GMT

#55

Wow, my first post. I have been reading TL on and off for a year, but never felt compelled enough to join in the discussion... This changed however with this report. The "reporting" style caught me off guard. I hesitate to say that I loved or hated it, simply because I don't like the idea of shoe-boxing things. To those who really hated it, I got this bit of experience to share: When I first started reading the report (at work) and noticed how it was more of a sci-fi short story, I held myself back from reading any further (hard as it was since I did really look forward to finding out if boxer had won); instead I popped open my notebook at home on the couch with a beer at night and utterly enjoyed it- enjoyed it for what it was. I share the feeling of some here that it was not a "play-by-play report" and I would enjoy a strategical analysis still. But who says that this cannot be accomplished in a new thread, once people had a chance to look at the VODs. Finally, kudos to manifesto for doing any type of report (the man does this for free and on his own time, just so that we may enjoy the thrill of it as well), and especially kudos for doing it in great style. Just one man's opinion of course. Cheers!

XaI)CyRiC

United States4471 Posts

November 10 2005 15:26 GMT

#56

Great report, regardless of subjective preference. Even if you don't like this style of report, you have to acknowledge that it was done very well. I thoroughly enjoyed the report, I thought Mani was very clever in the way he managed to let you know what was going on despite the narrative perpective. I would love to have one of these reports for each major series (it'd take too much time to do it for all matches), it really brings the matches to life.

That said, I can understand why some people don't like this type of report. It does lack strategic discussion, and it can be hard to know what's going on if you're not used to that perspective. This type of report should by no means replace the standard play-by-play with strategic commentary ones, but it'd be great to have one of these as a supplement. The best thing would be to have one of each type of report for a given match, but that's not very realistic. I'd prefer if Mani did one of these whenever it's possible for him, as it's easy for any number of people to make a standard report. This type of report, though, I feel is unique to Mani, at least at this level of quality.

Lastly, I don't understand anyone who "hated" this report, as that's just a lack of respect and appreciation of what went into putting it together. Maybe I interpret "hate" more strongly than others, but it's quite harsh to use that term in reference to anything that was obviously so carefully and wonderfully crafted. You can "dislike", "not prefer", or criticize it, but hate? I think it's unnecessarily harsh, and don't think this report deserved anything close to that level of disdain.

scrapperdog

United States779 Posts

November 10 2005 15:49 GMT

#57

Lastly, I don't understand anyone who "hated" this report, as that's just a lack of respect and appreciation of what went into putting it together. Maybe I interpret "hate" more strongly than others, but it's quite harsh to use that term in reference to anything that was obviously so carefully and wonderfully crafted. You can "dislike", "not prefer", or criticize it, but hate? I think it's unnecessarily harsh, and don't think this report deserved anything close to that level of disdain.

I hated the report. That does not mean I hate the person that wrote it, does not mean I dont have respect for the effort and time he put into it, and does not mean it is not ok for other people to love it. It means I hated it. I also hate the Monet painting at our local musuem. That does not mean I hate Monet as a person, it does not mean I dont have respect for his status as a painter, and it does not mean I want to go on a crusade to stop other people from liking giant impressionistic waterlillies.
I would like to say I thought it was a good try, and obviously he worked hard on this. If I was a teacher he would get an "A" even if it did not suit my taste. If this was just a normal battle report and not an osl final it would have worked a lot better for me. It is kind of like turning on the super bowl only to find out they are going to experiment by having Sigfried and Roy doing the commentary. Even if they did a great job I probably would not like it.