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The Liquid Weekly #18

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November 29th, 2010 07:13 GMT

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Jinro, Ret in GSL Open S3 Ro32, 29th Nov and 1st Dec 2010


TLAF-Liquid`Jinro and TLAF-Liquid`Ret will go head to head against Korea's best again this week in the GSL Open S3 Ro32. While Ret plays thebestfou in a ZvT later today, Jinro takes on famous WC3 player Moon in a TvZ on Wednesday. [More]


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Jinro, Ret in GSL Open S3 Ro32, 29th Nov and 1st Dec 2010


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TLAF-Liquid`Jinro and TLAF-Liquid`Ret will go head to head against Korea's best again this week in the GSL Open S3 Ro32. While Ret plays thebestfou in a ZvT later today, Jinro takes on famous WC3 player Moon in a TvZ on Wednesday.

In case you've been afk and/or living under a rock, the GSL feeling here on TL has reached fever pitch. While we did have to pick a winner every week, it's getting harder and harder with so many awesome cheerfuls showing up in the LR threads. If you're reading this soon after publication then you're just a few hours away from Ret's Ro32 match so be sure to hang around and catch it with us in the Live Report thread, and of course, on IRC. We're rooting for our Dutch Destroyer to Retroll through to the Ro16, and we hope you are too!

Then, be back here again on Wednesday to go crazy again as Jinrownage takes place. All in all, with two of our best in the GSL, this is a solid week for TL and then some. The games are going to be awesome, the banter will be over the top, and of course there are tshirts to be won. Be here, or risk missing out on one of those tell-your-grandkids kinda ESPORTS experiences. The choice, as always, is yours.


Liquid at Dreamhack - Event Finished


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While TLAF-Liquid`Tyler, TLAF-Liquid`TLO and TLAF-Liquid`HuK were in Sweden last weekend at the world's biggest LAN, it was a disappointing few days for fans as none of them managed to make it past the Ro8. The highlight of the weekend was Tyler beating Inca, but all in all we look forward to a better show from all of them as they head back to their respective regions to play in other tournaments in the months to come.

As for Dreamhack itself, the SC2 tourney was full of "upsets" and we'd like to congratulate Naama, Mana and Fenix on doing so well. Well played!

Look below for televised coverage of the event by Swedish TV channel SVT, including a studio interview with TLO and HuK.

Dreamhack, SC2 and Liquid on Swedish TV









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Pictures via Fomos.

This interview was posted on TL late last week and is included here for fans who may have missed it.

Hi Jonathan, Hi Jos! Congratulations on being a part of Liquid's most successful GSL Ro64 yet.

Ret: Thanks a lot, happy to be a part of it, and hopefully we aren't going anywhere any time soon. ^_^

Jinro: Howdy! Tyty, good to be a part of it!


This is the first GSL for the both of you and yet you have both progressed to the Ro32. Were you confident you would get past this round, and what are your goals for this tournament?

Jinro: Goal 1 to win Ro32
Goal 2 to win ro16
Goal 3 to win ro8
Goal 4 to win ro4
Goal 5 to win the final

Ret: I was pretty confident about my first round, my opponent wasn’t a big name or anything so I felt good about it. Like I've said in other interviews, my goal is of course to win.

To be honest I haven't watched the GSL that closely, mostly just teammates' games, but there has been some surprisingly quality play from "unknowns". I say unknowns, but the fOu guys aren’t really unknowns I guess. Alivefou in particular has been quite impressive.




Hahaha. Awesome! How did you feel your series went in general? Any additional insight into things that stream viewers may have missed?

Ret: Game 1 was kinda messy, I should've defended vs the phoenix harass much better instead of being overly aggressive. The game became kind of close because of that at some points. Game 2 was smooth sailing for me, just a standard macro game.

Jinro: Well, I think I played all right but I was too hesitant, a trap I sometimes fall into in important games... I also kinda autopiloted game 2 without properly adjusting to how my opponent was playing, since next to nobody plays that way. I was playing the way you’d play vs ling baneling muta, which is of course a mistake.


You've both watched two GSL Ro64s so far. How do you feel this one stacked up when compared to its predecessors, both in terms of your games and the other competition you saw unfold over the past few days?

Jinro: To be honest I haven't watched the GSL that closely, mostly just teammates' games, but there has been some surprisingly quality play from "unknowns". I say unknowns, but the fOu guys aren’t really unknowns I guess. Alivefou in particular has been quite impressive.

Ret: As expected it's been pretty high level all around, less and less people who have no idea what they're doing and lucked through the qualifiers, although there were still a couple. I don't think there will be any more freebies in GSL from this point forward, and there's a steady increase in skill level.


Speaking of fOu, Ret, you’re playing TheBestfOu. What thoughts on that?

Ret: He's a terran user in fou, and so far all the fou guys have been really strong, so I am expecting a strong terran opponent. Unfortunately the maps aren't really backing me on this one, being Metalopolis, Steppes and Jungle. Nonetheless I feel that ZvT is my best matchup and hopefully I will be able to pull out a win here.

I wish they didn't make it set maps, especially with the Ro32 maps for zerg players....a lot of people have been really unlucky and I feel for them. Some maps in SC2 are so imbalanced they shouldn't be played in tournaments.

I wish they didn't make it set maps, especially with the Ro32 maps for zerg players....a lot of people have been really unlucky and I feel for them. Some maps in SC2 are so imbalanced they shouldn't be played in tournaments.




Jinro, you’re going up against Moon in one of the biggest games of the GSL so far. How confident are you that you can walk away with a win?

Jinro: I dunno, I can’t say too much before I see the maps. It’s gonna range from "quite confident" to "shit." depending on them. At least it’s hard to get screwed as bad as ST_Monster as Terran. ^^ What we really need is new maps, some of the maps are starting to show their age already.


The stagnant map pool seems to be a recurring problem in SC2 so far. What are some long term solutions to this problem?

Jinro: Map making teams need to eventually pop up, and their maps need to be adopted by tournaments. Also, we should preferably have more than 1 map making team!

Ret: Think we need to move to a system similar to BW where the community makes the maps. BW has seen some amazing maps made by the koreans, I feel like there are enough dedicated people out there who really enjoy this sort of thing that could create great maps for competitive play. In general I feel like larger maps create more balanced and entertaining games.

Map making teams need to eventually pop up, and their maps need to be adopted by tournaments. Also, we should preferably have more than 1 map making team!




This was your first televised game in Korea. Did you feel nervous going in? What did you take away from this experience on the whole, and will you do anything different when you prepare to go on camera again in the next round?

Jinro: I don’t feel much in the way of nerves any more, but they still show up a little bit on my play - usually manifested by overly cautious play.

Ret: I feel at home inside the booth. I wish I didn't have to leave, I truly feel one with the chair, desk and computer in front of me. It's like I was born to be there. So no, no nerves. Oh, I'll probably smile more. I didn't think my parents were gonna watch.

"I feel at home inside the booth. I wish I didn't have to leave, I truly feel one with the chair, desk and computer in front of me. It's like I was born to be there. So no, no nerves. Oh, I'll probably smile more. I didn't think my parents were gonna watch."




Haha, OK! Generally, what’s the atmosphere like at the event? Jinro, we noticed you having a chuckle as you chatted in the lobby with your opponent. Thousands of fans only see you guys in the booth though, so why not tell us a bit about the run up to games and what that process is like once you arrive at the studio?

Ret: Well, I got about 20 minutes to set up my stuff to warm up. Then 'make-up' (2 min because i have no hair), then waiting around starring at the Korean commentar girl because she's so pretty. Then game-time! Oh ya, some random chit chat with Artosis and Tasteless to ease your mind before the match helps. I didn't talk to my opponent at all, would've been different if I actually knew him I guess.

Jinro: Well, I don’t remember what I was laughing about exactly, but NEXDrug and me were chatting about SC1, as I recognized him from there and he said he thought he recognized my ID as well. He seemed to have pretty fluent English and was very nice, so it was fun.

The process is pretty much what Jos describe, what most people probably don’t know though is that there’s quite loud SC music playing inside your booth to drown out outside sound, so you gotta play with your sounds set to maximum. When the game starts, the music goes way up too, masking everything. It’s good, but was a bit of a surprise for me.


You guys both have the weekend to prepare for the Ro32. Ret you have a ZvT to practice for, and Jinro, you’re gonna be working on your TvZ. Any Bo50s vs each other planned?

Jinro: Hopefully I get the same maps as him so we can do nothing but play.

Ret: I'm sure we'll play a lot. Don't wanna smash his confidence though, so I'll go easy.

Jinro: Any other maps and I’d agree.

Ret: In all seriousness though, I was rooting for Moon hardcore because I really wanted a Terran I could practice with. I'm really glad we both have the same matchup.


The fact that he always has more units and drones than anyone else at any given point in the game. And that he makes my computer lag with his limit in banelings.


Hahaha. All right, we’re going to let you guys go now, but here’s one for the road. Jinro, what’s the most annoying part about Ret’s play, and Ret, what do you find most frustrating in playing Jinro?

Jinro: The fact that he always has more units and drones than anyone else at any given point in the game. And that he makes my computer lag with his limit in banelings.

I hate when my banelings are about to kill a bunch of marines and then he puts em all in dropships and drops down single marines...

Ret: I hate when my banelings are about to kill a bunch of marines and then he puts em all in dropships and drops down single marines and makes me waste those precious banelings. Generally hes nice to play though, because he rarely allins. <3 terrans who dont allin! His marine spreading is getting too good though. =(


Well, here’s to a frustrating weekend for both of you! Good luck, have fun, and own it up next week, OK? Go Jinro, Go Ret, Liquid fighting!

Jinro: Liquid fighting!

Ret: Liquid`Nazgul Fighting.


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3) Use it in the Live Report thread for any of the GSL Ro32 days that a Liquidian plays on. Posting your cheerful in this (The Liquid Weekly) thread will not count as an official contest entry.

A Cheerful? What's that?
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EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
November 29 2010 07:20 GMT
#2
TL FIGHTING!
Dear Sixsmith...
skyprodigy
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada28 Posts
November 29 2010 07:25 GMT
#3
Great post guys !
blow me hard
LeFroMaGe
Profile Joined October 2010
United States628 Posts
November 29 2010 07:26 GMT
#4
As always, keep it up.

Liquid Fighting!
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
November 29 2010 07:30 GMT
#5
Does this week seem a bit lacking in content to anyone else...?
ChineseWife
Profile Joined August 2010
United States373 Posts
November 29 2010 07:32 GMT
#6
Oops I made no units
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 29 2010 07:32 GMT
#7
On November 29 2010 16:30 GhostKorean wrote:
Does this week seem a bit lacking in content to anyone else...?

That's because there wasn't much going on this week? I guess
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frogmelter
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States971 Posts
November 29 2010 07:33 GMT
#8
On November 29 2010 16:32 infinitestory wrote:
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On November 29 2010 16:30 GhostKorean wrote:
Does this week seem a bit lacking in content to anyone else...?

That's because there wasn't much going on this week? I guess


Yeah, but no replay section?

Unless they didn't play any games... there usually are replays released of pwnage games
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Vortigan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark306 Posts
November 29 2010 07:36 GMT
#9
ye a little bit. gl guys
DeckOneBell
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
November 29 2010 07:37 GMT
#10
Definitely a short Liquid Weekly, but with all the awesome weeklies they put out, they're allowed to take a little break once in a while, so, good work anyway. By they, I think I mean Riptide. But correct me if I'm wrong.
RainCoat
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden142 Posts
November 29 2010 07:48 GMT
#11
Too bad about Dreamhack, but still great to see you there guys! Liquid fighting!
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
November 29 2010 07:54 GMT
#12
Needs more pictures of the TLHQ imo ;O
TL is awesome as always!
Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
November 29 2010 08:05 GMT
#13
Liquid Hwaiting!

I can't wait for later today! This is going to be awesome. Seeing them on TV is just so unreal when it was almost unthinkable just a year ago!
@DreamingBird
BlueChipKiwi
Profile Joined July 2010
United States46 Posts
November 29 2010 08:05 GMT
#14
The TL Weekly goes quality over quantity this week
Go Ret!!
Is the dark blue TL shirt going to be available in the store anytime soon?
sksyen
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States359 Posts
November 29 2010 08:16 GMT
#15
Great post once again. GL RET~
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Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
November 29 2010 08:27 GMT
#16
hope I can watch the games during work, don't wanna miss this :D
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
Tiazi
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands761 Posts
November 29 2010 08:51 GMT
#17
hmm not the quality I'm used to from a liquid weekly. Already saw the interview last week and the dreamhack coverage seems marginal. Well O.K. guess I'm spoiled!
"A brilliant yet deluded man once said, 'Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos.' Gumiho is that agent of chaos." -monk
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
November 29 2010 09:03 GMT
#18
OK. Woot. I'm making a zillion cheerfulls. I'll only submit one, but make many :DD
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
November 29 2010 09:05 GMT
#19
so wait, after reading this i assume huk will not be going back to korea?
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Jepulis
Profile Joined July 2010
Finland140 Posts
November 29 2010 09:19 GMT
#20
Short and simple weekly. You got Jinrolled! Haha so funny!
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
November 29 2010 09:29 GMT
#21
Worst liquid weekly so far, but I guess I'm spoiled.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
November 29 2010 09:38 GMT
#22
On November 29 2010 18:05 ReachTheSky wrote:
so wait, after reading this i assume huk will not be going back to korea?

No, HuK will be returning to Korea. Article edited for clarity.
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Oakstream
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden240 Posts
November 29 2010 09:54 GMT
#23
great interview, go TL!!
"A lot of times what happens when you get a queen is that you make it."
Oxb
Profile Joined August 2010
199 Posts
November 29 2010 11:16 GMT
#24
great weekly as always, relatively short this week though :-( and I also miss the replay section can't wait for some nice jinro games though, none the less great work. Can't wait for next one
Jippie
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden40 Posts
November 29 2010 11:17 GMT
#25
is huk not going back to korea ? or what?
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
November 29 2010 11:20 GMT
#26
a bit disapointed, i was expecting some new content and some reps, but i already read the dual interview and there are no reps
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
nehl
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 11:30:43
November 29 2010 11:28 GMT
#27
kinda disappointed. only 1 interview this time...
but anyways. ret fighting in some minutes i hope^^
hope he demolishes thebestfOu.
ret gogogo

Edit: lol just now reading Geo.Rion's comment
Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#28
common guyz we want replays ! shortest weekly ever we've been used to more fresh content
twitter@RickyMarou
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
November 29 2010 12:56 GMT
#29
did anyone else read "Ret-roll" as "Re-Troll" the first time?
anyway, gl in the gsl :D
TrueRedemption
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 13:16:45
November 29 2010 13:13 GMT
#30
Always a fun read, thanks again =)

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Really unfortunate for Ret =/ I'm sure there will be plenty of tournaments in the future to dominate but still sucks. Maybe Jinro should all in more in practice ><
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
November 29 2010 13:52 GMT
#31
can we exspect a recap of Dreamhack? so much stuff happened, from the upsets, the bo1 groups, coinflip, ActionJesuz(rofl <3) Koreans performance ect ?
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Rob28
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada705 Posts
November 29 2010 14:32 GMT
#32
A bit shorter than usual, I guess there wasn't much activity in the SC scene last week. Replays would've been nice. Or a Dreamhack play-by-play breakdown.
"power overwhelming"... work, dammit, work!
Penke
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden346 Posts
November 29 2010 15:26 GMT
#33
A good read, as always :D
riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
November 29 2010 16:00 GMT
#34
Dreamhack section updated with video content from Swedish TV channel SVT.
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CaptainTwig
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom532 Posts
November 29 2010 16:17 GMT
#35
Does anyone else hear "F**k this" at 11:13 in the first Swedish tv clip?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
November 29 2010 16:48 GMT
#36
great weekly as usual, a bit short on content as people above notes but i guess you cant always have multiple pages of news if not so much exciting stuff happens

and after the pwnage at mlg dallas i guess the liquid guys jut wanted to give some other people a chance to win too xD
we are still No. 1 foreigners in GSLi guess, so ret and jinro FIGHTIIIING!
leecH
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany385 Posts
November 29 2010 17:06 GMT
#37
i laughed so hard when morrow said something like "lika lika pring" xD i love swedish
wolfravenPR
Profile Joined October 2010
United States11 Posts
November 29 2010 17:34 GMT
#38
NO! Ret lost today. T_T
Munk-E
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States672 Posts
November 29 2010 19:41 GMT
#39
JINRO if you beat moon, you will play boxer. now THERE'S some incentive!
You recognise me because of my signature!
Gaius Baltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
November 29 2010 22:58 GMT
#40
Hope Jinro likes my fanart

GL against Moon!
Versita
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1032 Posts
November 30 2010 02:10 GMT
#41
lolololol jinrolled
Helvig
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark55 Posts
November 30 2010 23:38 GMT
#42
GL Jinro in your upcoming match! Moon recently changed race from Terran to Zerg, so I'm guessing he shouldn't have much experince yet with Zerg, which gives Jinro quite a huge advantage, plus Moon still has WC3 to focus on, so Jinro should have quite a nice chance of winning.

LOL at the Jinrolled picture, haha.

LIQUID FIGHTING! GO GO JINRO!!!!!
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/291409/1/Helvig/ - Veni, vidi, vici
Kahzaar
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden897 Posts
December 01 2010 16:47 GMT
#43
Great interviews
On November 30 2010 01:17 CaptainTwig wrote:
Does anyone else hear "F**k this" at 11:13 in the first Swedish tv clip?

He says "faktiskt" which means actually in swedish
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