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[SC2B] Liquid vs EG Clanwar - Aftermath
April 18th, 2010 04:36 GMT
The games are over, and what games they were. From nomad spine crawlers to Dark Templar and Thor drops, the battles were intense and above all, powered by Sean "Day[9]" Plott and Blake "Chill" Muzar, the voices of Team Liquid!
If you were one of the unfortunate few who missed the event, never fear, because VODs await in this thread. On the other hand, if you watched this live and just want to enjoy the games all over again - feel free, they're yours for the taking.
While tournaments are fun to watch, there's something about a clanwar that's special, and we saw that yesterday as these games unfolded. Friendly rivalry, lively trashtalk and great games - what more could a nerd ask for?
Also, congratulations to our five lucky beta key winners! Out of 2000 followers on our Twitter, you guys were the chosen ones, and we certainly hope you enjoy playing SC2.
Thank you Liquid and thank you EG for entertaining us! We look forward to seeing more of all you in the near future. Good games.
Results+ Show Spoiler +Drone vs Louder
Drone < Lost Temple > Louder
Drone < Blistering Sands > Louder
Drone < Kulas Ravine > Louder
TLO vs Incontrol
TLO < Lost Temple > Incontrol
TLO < Blistering Sands > Incontrol
TLO < Kulas Ravine > Incontrol
Nazgul vs Machine
Nazgul < Lost Temple > Machine
Nazgul < Blistering Sands > Machine
Nazgul < Kulas Ravine > Machine
Jinro vs Inka
Jinro < Lost Temple > Inka
Jinro < Blistering Sands > Inka
Jinro < Kulas Ravine > Inka
Nony vs Lzgamer
Nony < Lost Temple > Lzgamer
Nony < Blistering Sands > Lzgamer
Nony < Kulas Ravine > Lzgamer
Team EG wins 3-2, GGs!
Thank YouThe joy of being a part of a great community like this really comes out when we host events. Yesterday, as our casters struggled to get Livestream up and running, our good friends thegunrun and martijnmumbles at GLHF.tv stepped up by providing a rock solid stream for over 9000 viewers. We also smashed viewership records yesterday thanks to the help of our buddy Slasher's mad social media skills. Last but not least, thank you everyone who commented, redditted and twittered the event out to the Internets. You guys rock!
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On April 18 2010 13:42 dogabutila wrote:
reps possible?
No replays will be released, sorry.
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Congrats to the winners, well played by both sides.
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Australia782 Posts
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Congrats to the winners. And nice job breaking 9000 viewers.
And for everyone involved, thank you for the entertainment 
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Yo is it me or does the ustream.tv links load very slowly? it freezes every couple of seconds; it's unwatchable 
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great success and great fun.
hope there will be more in the near future ~
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Thanks for these awesome games and congratulations on getting so many viewers!
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On April 18 2010 14:05 zizou21 wrote:Yo is it me or does the ustream.tv links load very slowly? it freezes every couple of seconds; it's unwatchable
Going to get them uploaded to youtube.
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+ Show Spoiler +I was hoping for Team liquid to win. But still a nice play from EG
Good game
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I watched and very much enjoyed - glhf.tv were lifesavers, and does anyone else actually prefer the ustream look to livestreams?
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I know that the Louder / Drone games were played before the stream was able to get put up, but any chance on those? Any obbers stream them?
[edit] ...never mind It was just a different format, I didnt notice it at the top of the list!
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They were a great set of games. Really enjoyed watching them. Not to mention Nony's blink micro in the last set was epic!
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Good games ^^ Thnx day9 and chill
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I said this after the matches were over, but it's worthy of repeating. This was an amazing series of games. Team Liquid put up an awesome effort, had the set order been any different could have very well been a different outcome. Team EG is as strong as they have been in the Triple Strike tournaments. Again Congrats to Team EG. Mad props to Chill and Day9 for the stellar commentary, even if Chill had to fudge it for one game and cast off of the stream. Seriously mad props to GLHF.tv for coming to the rescue and getting a stream up for all of us to enjoy and getting the VODs up in real time.
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nice series of casts. appreciate the direct links!
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On April 18 2010 13:43 riptide wrote:No replays will be released, sorry.
aw lame . Was really wanting to watch that first game of machine vs nazgul or w/e  .
Good games was fun to watch ^^ specially with my favorite caster Day 9!
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Ahh I missed it I wanted to watch Nazgul, he's fairly amazing. I guess replays will just have to suffice
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I only saw about half of these games but the ones I saw were very entertaining to watch. Day9 and Chill cracking jokes made it fun as well. :D
I hope to see more things like this in the future~ <3 TL
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why didnt the little one play?
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Only caught the lz nony games. 3rd game what nony did with his stalkers were bad-muthafuckin-ass.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
was a really nice event. TL was really easy/nice to work with. hope we get to do more of this with them <3
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On April 18 2010 15:52 TerrorBASS wrote:
why didnt the little one play?
TLO did play vs Incontrol... he just had to use another account cause hes from Europe
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It's a bit annoying how the first stream cuts out and causes my browser to crash after about 19 minutes in.
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I watched some of the games they were really exciting (esp Incontrol and Nony Go yo!). I have a request though, can someone upload these VODS to yuotube? I find my ustream loading time takes really really long and youtube would be faster to watch with .
Thanks TL for an excellent excellent event, you guys are totally awesome. Thanks to EG And Team TL to!
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those guys just made me a potential terrorist. i'm like goin crazy to put my hands on a beta key haha ...
GG
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This is just absolutely awesome. Can't wait to watch all these vods Thanks so much for the huge effort boys !
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When is Day[9] gonna switch for UStream and dumb livestream ?
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good overall but what was with the non-sc background music sometimes DURING the games? An example is Nazgul vs Machine in game 2 (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/6254656)...it sounds like utter trash in the background :S
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It was a fantastic event, as usual.
Stream quality was awesome.
One thing.... TeamLiquid needs a Zerg player xD
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I prefer replays cause I like to watch at 3x speed.. and not a fan really of day[9] =/
But I understand how VOD/casters now can use adsense on their streams which give them money when people watch, so thats an incentive to not give replays anymore.
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On April 18 2010 18:46 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
good overall but what was with the non-sc background music sometimes DURING the games? An example is Nazgul vs Machine in game 2 (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/6254656)...it sounds like utter trash in the background :S
It even sounds like trash from the C&C series?
No idea why glhf likes to add that music when streaming sc2, but the stream is of otherwise amazing quality.
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Inka and machine were the most impressive imo
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We did a great job reaching 9k! Too bad Jinro had such tough opposition though...
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Hey guys, lots of great matches and a nice win by an unfavored EG. Will be talking a lot about this on Weapon of Choice and Live On Three at 2 PM EST and 4 PM EST at http://www.djWHEAT.tv - tune in! Good to see my helping broke all records seen before. I honestly forgot about the event and was only reminded by Kennigit one hour before it started, so the numbers actually could have been much higher ;p. Reddit.com loooooves to watch competitive Starcraft (and many other games). You guys should check it out, it's a simpler, better version of Digg with more intelligent users, and the gaming section is enormous.
btw
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH. WOOOOOOOOO BABY THIS IS MY HOUSE.
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On April 18 2010 13:43 riptide wrote:No replays will be released, sorry.
Why not?
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On April 18 2010 13:43 riptide wrote:No replays will be released, sorry.
This is really unfortunate. I've been playing/following SC for as long as anyone and the one and only thing that always bothered me about SC1 was that replays weren't ever released.
I understand not releasing the reps for events like TSL where the sponsor has a product that you guys are trying to sell in form of advertising, but this event kinda seemed like more of a community thing and not releasing reps seems pretty lame.
Hope you guys reconsider.
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Ok so Ive watched all the games now and the event as such was great with great games. For some reason though I cant seem to find it as interesting to watch SC2 as the original.
This might be to poor knowladge of the game though. Considring I havnt got the beta (or even played it for that matter) I really lack the knowladge to make my own judgement when I watch! That being said I think its awsome that you guys do stuff like this for the comunity.
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I'd like to know why replays aren't released for some tournaments, is there any specific reason?
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On April 19 2010 00:56 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 13:43 riptide wrote:On April 18 2010 13:42 dogabutila wrote:
reps possible? No replays will be released, sorry. This is really unfortunate. I've been playing/following SC for as long as anyone and the one and only thing that always bothered me about SC1 was that replays weren't ever released. I understand not releasing the reps for events like TSL where the sponsor has a product that you guys are trying to sell in form of advertising, but this event kinda seemed like more of a community thing and not releasing reps seems pretty lame. Hope you guys reconsider.
The thing with releasing replays is that you reveal to much of the players styles. Usually the players want to keep their specific style of doing things as secret as possible. Also, its a good thing for the competitiveness of the game not to reveal. All in all I think its good that they dont release the replays.
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I think its because of players that dont want to show every detail of their strats because they are involved in other tournaments. Just my humble opinion! Theres a little difference between reps and vods.
I dont mind this at all. Watched the glhftv stream and it was great. No lag whatsoever and really good games. TLO vs InControl were my favourite games.
Can I make a suggestion? Can you guys make a team game next time? 4 1v1s and then a team game(2v2) ? i think it would be nice though if we "only" see 1v1 its amazing already
Congrats to all players!
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Not releasing replays is kind of silly, especially if it's to protect strategies. Not gonna happen... everything is so open nowadays, trying to hide stuff is just silly.
Unless these players intend on playing within a tight circle of people who will never share replays, they will leak, and there is nothing wrong with that. The SC community needs to get over this replay-phobia. WC3 survived fine with replays always being released.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On April 19 2010 00:56 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 13:43 riptide wrote:On April 18 2010 13:42 dogabutila wrote:
reps possible? No replays will be released, sorry. This is really unfortunate. I've been playing/following SC for as long as anyone and the one and only thing that always bothered me about SC1 was that replays weren't ever released. I understand not releasing the reps for events like TSL where the sponsor has a product that you guys are trying to sell in form of advertising, but this event kinda seemed like more of a community thing and not releasing reps seems pretty lame. Hope you guys reconsider.
This isn't how we think about it. When we go to a sponsor and he goes "oh show me an example of how many vod views you had please". We need clean numbers - we do this now so that we can have big things like TSL later. It also results in 50 english commentators making vods and then we have to track them all down to figure out how many views they had etc.
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Wow, it was one of the best SC2 experiences I've ever had haha :-D Ty for all the extreme nerd excitement, I loved every minute of it!!!
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man this was all the hype I had made it up to be. Big up to everyone involved and thanks to glhf.tv for bailing out day[9] from downstream. Ustream is how it should be when watching a stream.
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On April 19 2010 01:38 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 00:56 starcraft911 wrote:On April 18 2010 13:43 riptide wrote:On April 18 2010 13:42 dogabutila wrote:
reps possible? No replays will be released, sorry. This is really unfortunate. I've been playing/following SC for as long as anyone and the one and only thing that always bothered me about SC1 was that replays weren't ever released. I understand not releasing the reps for events like TSL where the sponsor has a product that you guys are trying to sell in form of advertising, but this event kinda seemed like more of a community thing and not releasing reps seems pretty lame. Hope you guys reconsider. This isn't how we think about it. When we go to a sponsor and he goes "oh show me an example of how many vod views you had please". We need clean numbers - we do this now so that we can have big things like TSL later. It also results in 50 english commentators making vods and then we have to track them all down to figure out how many views they had etc.
Does releasing the reps really drop the view count by that much? I feel like I'm one of the few who hate watching vods because they are 1x speed and the comentators miss a great deal of important things.
Is there any type of system out there that would host reps and make you watch an advertisement before downloading them? Even if it was 1 advertisment per single rep it would be better than vods.
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Good tourney! I understand kennigit's response. Theres a few things you cant see from the VODS but u can always figure them out by watching the vods really. Theyll use certain tactics on ladder anyway and most of those get released.
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On April 18 2010 13:43 riptide wrote:No replays will be released, sorry.
a chance that i ended up deciding to watch the clan war live then ;p
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I have slow internet, and the provided VOD links don't work well at all. Is there any chance of them being uploaded to nevake. I read your post above kenningit, but it would seem that putting it on youtube would still condense views and make views easy to point out. (Something similar to the TL Invitational?)
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Big fan of that trick that NonY used to blink past the destructible rocks.
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have you guys uploaded these elsewhere? ustream fucking blows apparently ..
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Burritos and coffee!!! With a Bear Semen chaser!!! Maybe Day could get Taco Bell as a sponsor. And Chill; kinda like the new Spock.
About the replays; everyone complaining please just stop. When you are invited to someone's house you don't drink out of the milk carton. You may do that at home but that's your house so your rules. There is a question of etiquette here and I believe our benefactors to be more than gracious in what they have shared with us.
And good magicians never tell or it's no longer magic for the rest of us.
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will watch
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Germany18839 Posts
Personally I don't care about replays not being released, but I'd like to know why?
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Not releasing replays hurts the new players comming to the game, which is the most important aspect to any game wanting to be a big eSports game.
SC:BW died in the west for a reason, let's not let it happen again.
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great games, really enjoyed it and fab commentary!
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Good game, some interesting games we saw... oh and commentary as expected . Better luck next time liquid
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Great games, great showmatch and great stream by Day9, good work !
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Oh where can I get this MegaMan2 Metal Music played before the Machine vs Nazgul Match?
Great games. TLO vs Incontrol i liked most!
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Very fun to watch, thanks for making this happen
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Am I the only one having problems watching vod on ustream? They run like crap.... they're choppy or often just stop and wont restart. You tube is working fine though.
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On April 19 2010 05:29 Brad wrote:
Not releasing replays hurts the new players comming to the game, which is the most important aspect to any game wanting to be a big eSports game.
SC:BW died in the west for a reason, let's not let it happen again.
Starcraft died in the west because players didn't release replays? I must have missed that. Your history of foreigner Starcraft is full of holes.
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Not releasing replays hurts new players? Lol What...
I'm preety new as far as competitive RTS goes, and listening to casters who obviously know what they are talking about is a great learning experience.
Also the first game of TLO vs. InControl was fucking awesome! Thor & Medivac rush anyone!! HAHA
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MURICA15980 Posts
On April 19 2010 05:29 Brad wrote:
Not releasing replays hurts the new players comming to the game, which is the most important aspect to any game wanting to be a big eSports game.
SC:BW died in the west for a reason, let's not let it happen again.
Actually, I'd say the longevity of SC in Korea is due to the fact that replays are not released and thus the excitement, feel, presentation, suspense is all still preserved the whole time. There is a sense of mystery of "how the hell did he do that?" when watching anything on TV that is lost with replays, which is what I feel is what keeps it so interesting and alive.
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Amazing event to watch! So glad I got to see it live! Every game in that event was either awesome and just got better as it went on! So looking forward to seeing more of this kind of thing!
Also music was pretty fine thou I am partial to just keeping the SC2 terran music on loop because of how awesome it is.
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Great event!
The game were fun and the comments amazing.
Is it be possible to have the feedback of both team? (i might have miss that if it was at the end of the stream)
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Hopefully there are more of these, i need to see moar of TLO.
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nice games, thanks for hosting thes fun events
but ustream is horrible...i have usually flawless fios internet that streams very fast and the constant spamming of ads and stuttering was nearly unbearable
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nice games, and i agree with klogon.
but please upload the games to youtube also or somewhere else because here in chile ustream doesn't work so smooth as youtube, googlevideos, (pr0n), vimeo, whatever.
ustream ain't that good :'(
thanks !! and keep up the clan wars
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Awesome series--I loved Nony's blink strat.
Don't really get the bitching about reps. The point of this was to produce a great show, which happened, and it was available both live and on-demand for free. They should be able to control what their viewers see.
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The site were the games are uploaded is being very glitchy and annoying for me. The games I've been able to watch have been nice though..
The ad thing comes up so often (not a huge deal but annoying)... and I've tried about 5 times now to watch Inka vs Jinro game 2 but it just keeps freezing and won't restart.
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Great matches and commentating. Didn't have too much trouble with ustream, and the commentary was consistently interesting.
Looking forward to more!
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On April 19 2010 05:29 Brad wrote:
Not releasing replays hurts the new players comming to the game, which is the most important aspect to any game wanting to be a big eSports game.
I agree,
we're still in Beta here. Retail hasn't shipped. So, i mean, everyone is still trying to figure things out and I think making these replays available to everyone else propels strategies and play-styles even further.
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United States17042 Posts
These games were amazing. Great job everyone ^^
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TLO vs Incontrol were great games =D thx all the ppl involved so the we could enjoy this ^^
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aaaah. i love TLO more and more after watching his games. i think i'm becoming a TLO fanboy
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On April 19 2010 01:38 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 00:56 starcraft911 wrote:On April 18 2010 13:43 riptide wrote:On April 18 2010 13:42 dogabutila wrote:
reps possible? No replays will be released, sorry. This is really unfortunate. I've been playing/following SC for as long as anyone and the one and only thing that always bothered me about SC1 was that replays weren't ever released. I understand not releasing the reps for events like TSL where the sponsor has a product that you guys are trying to sell in form of advertising, but this event kinda seemed like more of a community thing and not releasing reps seems pretty lame. Hope you guys reconsider. This isn't how we think about it. When we go to a sponsor and he goes "oh show me an example of how many vod views you had please". We need clean numbers - we do this now so that we can have big things like TSL later. It also results in 50 english commentators making vods and then we have to track them all down to figure out how many views they had etc.
Is it possible to release replays in the distant future, once the sponsor stops caring about views of that particular match?
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best thing about usstream is the awesome plentyoffish ad that pops up immediately after you close it. AWESOME site
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Great series!
Also, Day and Chill are excellent as a casting duo, especially now after all the casting during TSL when they have "found" eachother a bit more it seems. And thank you GLHF.tv - excellent quality!
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Yeah this truly made my saturday evening. Made my own Kimchi for the first time and watched Starcraft all night long :D
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great series, especially the TLO vs incontrol one!
love the day9-chill combo!!
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Wow, I hope this gets uploaded in youtube as well! Good Job both teams
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It's ok not to release replays in a match as well covered as this, everyone gets the chance to watch the games. However. it would suck if it becomes the norm for everyone 'just because' but as long as there are streams and/or VODs I have no issue with it, I just wanna watch the games.
Grats to EG anyway.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
On April 18 2010 14:34 Kennigit wrote:
Going to get them uploaded to youtube.
anytime soon?
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I really enjoyed watching these vids. :DD
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great games, thanks for giving these VODs to us!
(eri played absolutely terrible, though :/ ).
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that's some epic games love the ones with nazgul and machine... allso TLO is allways so fun to watch, he's got some crazy strats
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OMG I really want to watch these vids.
Stupid capped internets. GARH!!
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BTW guys if you are having problems with usStream. try unplugin your webcam. It worked for me
Thx for the VODS!
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If the no-replay thing bugs you, just boycott the sponsors of tourneys where replays aren't released.
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wow EG EPIC!
Louder with the 3-0
sexyy
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Some of the best matches I have watched.
Great job.
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Too bad there are no replays.
I just hope this doesnt end like BW where there are only vods of the good games.
Ustream is not bad but replays are simply like 100times better.
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Im having trouble watching the VODs, When I load up the page, I see only a black box where the video should be, and it doesnt load anything else. The rest of the page loads fine
Anyone have any advice? I really wanna watch these
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Really interesting games there, good commentators/save by Ustream.
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On April 25 2010 02:28 TheAntZ wrote:Im having trouble watching the VODs, When I load up the page, I see only a black box where the video should be, and it doesnt load anything else. The rest of the page loads fine Anyone have any advice? I really wanna watch these
Is there something popping up asking you to download something? You may not have Java or whatever web app needs to run the embedded videos.
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Respect..awsome how dedicated ppl are
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