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Vencedor
Profile Joined August 2009
United States35 Posts
February 14 2010 05:28 GMT
#61
Sen is awesome but I don't see him coming out on top either. I just think the others in the final are phenomenal and if my prediction is correct and Nony makes it to the final, I don't see Sen overcoming him.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
February 14 2010 06:42 GMT
#62
People who don't think Sen can win this are just people who, up until this point, had no idea who Sen was.

Sen was the #1 non-Korean Zerg for the longest time, and it seems that he's angling for that title back, and I'd say he's pretty close to it.
TranslatorBaa!
bias-
Profile Joined October 2004
United States410 Posts
February 14 2010 06:47 GMT
#63
*So* happy for + Show Spoiler +
Sen and Mondragon! Rooted for both, no offense Ret but Sen looks on par.
Can't wait to watch VODs.
For serious minds, a bias recognized is a bias sterilized.
Ash
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Malaysia1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 08:29:50
February 14 2010 08:25 GMT
#64
Sen once told me that the more people underestimate him, the happier he will be and the stronger he will look in his games. Frankly speaking as a close friend of his I would also rate IdrA as a favourite against Sen anyday but those who think NonY will be a favourite completely has no idea what a monster Sen is in ZvP.

He made Draco look like Draco was out of practice because he was simply that DOMINANT. In fact draco has actually practiced his ass off way before TSL playoff stage started. Someone mentioned in interview that Dreiven or Infernal style of PvZ would have ended Sen's run in TSL but Sen actually destroyed Dreiven with a score of 5-1 or something during the final day of ladder stage. Infernal , on the other hand has been a very good friend of Sen and I'm very sure he knows Sen's ZvP is being underestimated.

There is only one thing for Zerg that he has yet to master and once he masters it, he will claim back his title as #1 Non Korean Zerg again. People who thinks Sen has an advantage because he has the huge chinese community to back him up in preparing for games actually has no idea bout his current situation. The gap between Taiwan and Chinese community is bigger than you can imagine. I say Sen is a monster not only because he has the mechanics to back him up but also his ability of learning and adapting. He improved his ZvZ from B- to A- in a day because I took him to Co-EX mall after IEF Korea and he got to learn Mutalisk ZvZ micro by just watching Jaedong in First Person view.

I would say up to this point, he only had F91 to talk to and discuss stuff with so think twice before you try to rate Sen again. HE IS REALLY THAT TALENTED.
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
February 14 2010 09:40 GMT
#65
Sen have beaten 1 who dont play enimore and 1 who started playing zvz a few mounth ago, lol yea soo good (sarcazm)

go mondy kill sen and win the big final
Sic iter ad astra
dranjam
Profile Joined May 2008
Poland198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 09:52:45
February 14 2010 09:51 GMT
#66
Hahha, so sad for retlovers .

Some people think Mondragon and Sen are like Nada or Boxer, glory of the past, but nothing nowadays, and as we've all witnessed yesterday - they are fuking wrong. Modern style of Ret got badly outplayed by old school style Sen, and I dare say, simply by underestimating the opponent.
Fenix was boasting that Mondragon has only one style, obviously it's style that wins. I hope Fenix can watch this games and next time think what he wants to say, and shut up instead.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight with you, then you win.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
February 14 2010 09:52 GMT
#67
I remember when sen was the #1 Z. And thats when everyone was active. Hope hes back cause sen in form actually could get idra a run :D
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
revoN
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan804 Posts
February 14 2010 10:40 GMT
#68
Finally we have another great tournament after the cancellation of GOMTV Classic (just registered to say this ). Even though there are no Korean pros in it great games so far. I'm hoping for more 3-2 games like the ones we witnessed yesterday.

Impressive play by Sen and indeed it looked like ret had underestimated him.
As for Mondragon it looked to me as if he could win faster and unnecessarily prolonged it by playing safe.

As much as I would like IdrA to succeed (in Korea) it's his turn next. Go NonY \o/
StarCraft도 Quake도 좋아해요.
MartT
Profile Joined January 2010
United Kingdom88 Posts
February 14 2010 11:47 GMT
#69
Really great Ro8 day 1. Sen worked out Ret's play and looked like it could easily have been 3-1 or 3-0. Not being a ling micro expert myself I don't understand what Ret does wrong or players like Castro and Sen are doing that makes those initial ling engagements seem so one sided. Day talks about the concave so more lings can get their attacks in but that doesn't seem to hold water in the last few ZvZ's we've seen

Really liking the ZvZ's at the moment, ZvT was a bit tame in comparison, probably because Fenix surprisingly lacked aggression early game. He didn't seem as good as he was vs Koll anyway.
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
February 14 2010 12:34 GMT
#70
On February 14 2010 18:40 ajmbek wrote:
Sen have beaten 1 who dont play enimore and 1 who started playing zvz a few mounth ago, lol yea soo good (sarcazm)

go mondy kill sen and win the big final


lol @ ajmbek and all the others who keep underestimating sen (mostly new people I imagine from their post count). rofl is all I can say. Sen was imo the #1 foreigner for a long time, maybe you weren't there to witness it, but let me just remind you of that. I remember when Sen, Testie and Mondragon were at the top, ToT was just demolishing everything. I was downloading their replays to learn to play. So thank you Sen Mondi and Testie.

I am sad to see ret go though.

Nice epic macro games Mondi vs Fenix.
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
February 14 2010 12:53 GMT
#71
Well, im sad ret lost, but congrats to Sen. On the other hand Mondi won !!
O yea, nice matches, can't wait for more.
In Economics, the majority is always wrong. aka: MattRz
MartT
Profile Joined January 2010
United Kingdom88 Posts
February 14 2010 13:02 GMT
#72
On February 14 2010 21:34 quirinus wrote:

lol @ ajmbek and all the others who keep underestimating sen


Was very surprised how one sided the liquibet voting was that's for sure. Glad I bet on Sen though
FishNChips
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United Kingdom107 Posts
February 14 2010 14:24 GMT
#73
Anybody who is old school should know that Sen was once the best ZvP player in the foreign scene.
Can I get a spot of tea?
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
February 14 2010 15:02 GMT
#74
On February 14 2010 10:17 Gumbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2010 10:15 Flyingdutchman wrote:
RAAAAAAGGGGEEE, Now no more chances of someone else other than Idra winning this thing, and no ZvP from Ret .


Nony.



We'll find out tonight, at least that way we'll see a nice ZvP in the finals
DaZe
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden2111 Posts
February 14 2010 15:53 GMT
#75
Sen is an incredible player and if he reaches the finals and plays a protoss I'm quite sure he will win. However the chances of IdrA losing combined with Sen winning vs Mondragon is very small imo :p
(Mostly because IdrA is so much further ahead than all other foreigners)
zergpower123
Profile Joined December 2009
United States197 Posts
February 14 2010 16:11 GMT
#76
no youtube yet? Usually the youtubes are up same day!
Newpostblog
Profile Joined February 2010
Afghanistan14 Posts
February 14 2010 16:56 GMT
#77
On February 15 2010 00:02 Flyingdutchman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2010 10:17 Gumbo wrote:
On February 14 2010 10:15 Flyingdutchman wrote:
RAAAAAAGGGGEEE, Now no more chances of someone else other than Idra winning this thing, and no ZvP from Ret .


Nony.



We'll find out tonight, at least that way we'll see a nice ZvP in the finals


mondi vs nony would a good final. Don't count on idra to win the whole thing just yet.
Sha-Mat
Profile Joined October 2005
Greece277 Posts
February 14 2010 17:04 GMT
#78
Very convincing victory from Sen. There is SO much "ret love" going on here at TL.net thought!
Very happy for Mondi as well. Incredible series against Fenix. Really fun watching those and hopefully we can watch him all the way to winning this.
Few things are more beautiful than 11 probes exploding at once!
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
February 14 2010 17:23 GMT
#79
On February 15 2010 02:04 Sha-Mat wrote:
There is SO much "ret love" going on here at TL.net thought!


that is what happens when you stream b/a level broodwar. Hope he'll be back with that someday
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
February 15 2010 02:42 GMT
#80
wow really looks like sen is back in shape for this
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